The proc on bonefire is beast!!!

I think it's realistic to expect a change to either how the Proc works in certain outlier powers or change the powers themselves so the Proc's effects aren;t so extreme.

For example, Bonfire and Tornado's knockbacks could happen much less frequently when the Proc is used. Another possibility is that the nature of those specific powers could be altered in a way that isn't diminishing the overall strength of them but making it so this IO doesn't dramatically increase their potential.

I have the feeling that this specific proc is a testing ground. Despite the cheerleading for Knockback by a few ardent fans, overall I honestly believe the majority of players, given the choice, would prefer Knockdown to Knockback. I also believe the devs realize that and want to see what ramifications such a change would have to the game. I believe this proc is their way of seeing what happens.

And to be honest, with only 2 real outlier powers, the change overall doesn't increase player "power" and shows that giving players an option to turn knockback into knockdown isn't gamebreaking. I'm hopeful that once the outliers are reigned in we'll see more options to turn knockback into knockdown.

I don't see this as a game breaker in PvE. Plenty of critters are knock immune. And it's not like Fire Control doesn't have other options for neutralizing a mob.

That said, I'd hate to see an extreme change hit Bonfire for lack of suggestions of more reasonable fixes. So here's one: Just make Bonfire non autohit, and accept accuracy enhancements. Then, just like Freezing/Sleet, Ice Slick, and Earthquake, a Bonfire user might get shot at. Technically, Freezing/Sleet's not autohit either, so it's only fair.

I've got to agree that this proc in Bonfire has created an obvious outlier in performance which needs to be addressed.

@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too

Another note:

for mitigation, the fish-fry is ridiculous... in solo play.


On team play (especially PUG), there's other variables to consider:

-Mates with KB powers
-Mates with KB suppression powers
-Mates with Repel powers
-Mates not all having 'the proc'


You'll still be competing with -mates that still want their containment damage, their AoE damage, their contribution to any participation metric. They'll still want KB suppression (from themselves or their -mates) so they can utilize multiple Tornadoes and Lightning Storms; FF proc mules like Torrents (Energy, Dark, Umbral, etc), Gales and similar.


(IMO) Any changes should keep their respective powers intact for intent. We don't need Bonfire to be another Rain-trop power; it should remain, in essence, very similar to what it already was... hence the suggestion to increase the interval between activations

[I'm even good with them altering the proc so it reduces a power's KB between 50 and 75%; preferably 75%]

Odd question; so what happens with stacked Enhanced Bonfires that are running the same intervals? (ie, Bonfire Superteams ...or just syncing more than one of your own)

Let me just stop you and ask this: Do you honestly think a power you can literally 2 slot, 1 Recharge and the Proc, to stack it, is immune to the Purple Patch due to how KB functions, has no accuracy check, and has no target cap, and is capable of locking down multiple, not singular, MULTIPLE, spawns... is balanced?

If you answer Yes, then you agree it needs to be addressed.

If you answer No, you're Protecting The Precious Thing. Or are just badly misinformed.

BUT, I will answer your question with the following:

I finally got around to slotting this. I put it in a Rad/Fire blaster I use for light farming (+1/8). Now this blaster is close to my best controller/dom for mob control. Crazy. The recharge of course isn't as friendly as for Fire Control.Bonfire, so I can't juggle multiple spawns, but I play in complete safety for 45 seconds at a time.

I'll be the next one to say something's gotta give for this. Hopefully the fix won't have collateral damage. The proc, outside of Bonfire, is as advertised and is "game improving" not "game breaking".

I haven't done pvp in awhile; how does it affect player targets?


[nvm, found my answer (thanks PWiki); 10 second suppression between K-effects.]

I seen bonfire working last night with this IO. It was pretty amazing.

I wouldn't blame anyone who is lvl 35 or higher regardless of AT who can pick up bonfire from PPP and slot it with this IO and use it to speed up the leveling process until they fix it.

But what sort of amazes me is really how many knockback powers does this game have. I know its a few, but I know its not enough that you couldn't just test this out on ALL the powers before handing these IOs out.

If they did internal testing and put it out someone either lied about the results or didn't do it and lied about doing it. Either way they should be fired.

If they never did internal testing on this then that person who should have someone do it should be fired.

Lets just be happy its a game and not some sort of hospital equipment

Leo_G Has a good handle on my perspective. It is not so much that I think this level of performance is out of the norm for this game, but that this level of performance is out of the norm for the effort that it should take to get to that level of performance.