MesmerLune

Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion

If it ever comes into being, it'd blow me away.


-_-

The puns....they start...

Originally Posted by Most_Amazing

I read through MOST of the thread trying to see if anybody ever got you a build, and I didn't see anything. As far as a map goes I just run Unai Kemens Missions, really any one of them works. This toon has been through 7 or 8 different builds and none of them have satisfied me like this one has.

This is only possible because of the Cardiac Alpha slot so be sure to get it if you go with this build. Keep in mind I fight with super speed off and siphon speed on auto, not only to replace the movement super speed provides without the end cost but because the build relies on that recharge to function. I've got the Force Feedback proc in psionic tornado also to give me more recharge. This build is pretty budget friendly if you can get your hands on the glad proc and if not it will still do good for you without it. Also you MUST run tactics even though it has literally no end reduction slotted from the enhancements it is necessary for your powers to hit consistently.

I know the build looks sketchy at best, but let me break it down for you. For the longest time, before IOs, fire/kins ran on patterns Flashfire to stun the mob then heal, immobilize the mob, then heal, fireball the mob, then heal, etc. this was because we were always being hit. Then came set bonuses and we were able to have this wonderful thing called soft capped defense, which meant if we achieved 45% defense we were only hit 5% of the time, the absolute minimum. Essentially I carried that with me up until I realized all my fire/kin was missing was mez protection. So after a few hours in mids I was able to come up with this build that not only had soft capped defense, but mez protection and that's where I've stopped trying to improve this character. Then they released the Interface, Judgement, Lore, and Destiny slots for incarnates and my character only became more powerful. Instead of having to take Clarion for the mez protection I've been able to take Barrier making me even more survivable. While Indomitable Will is only resistance, and it isn't perma without the FF proc, which you don't have going off unless your farming I still find this character rarely gets mezzed. This is one of my favorite toons to take on a Lady Grey Task Force because of my psi resistance and defense when IW is active.

If you play this build right, as in maintaining the recharge(force feedback 10% chance for 100% recharge with 10 targets... you do the math, along with hasten and siphon speed who needs purples?) Anyways if you maintain the recharge I promise the build will perform. Flashfire will be up every 20 seconds, that's fast enough to be recharged for every mob. Essentially if you open your mobs with flashfire you'll need cinders for nothing more than an "Oh S**t" button. I know what your thinking if you've looked at the build, and no I didn't take Fire Imps. I found that when your as survivable as this character is they're only an annoyance to try and keep alive you end up spending more time trying to heal your fire imps than you do killing which is a hindrance when your psionic tornado is up every 4.61s.

A quick run down..
your psionic tornado does 84.71 points of damage in 4.1s, and it recharges in 4.61s so essentially you've got a power that is constantly doing 20.66 points of damage if you cast it fast enough you'll only have a 2s down time from that 20 pt DOT.

With the new bonfire changes, I replaced speed boost with bonfire in order to give me a little bit more damage and boy does it work.

Oh and umm, it's really hard to die...due to soft capped Psi/Smashing/Lethal Defense and nearly capped Melee Defense.

Anyways here is the build

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.96
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ring of Fire

• (A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
• (3) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range
• (3) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
• (5) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
• (5) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize
• (7) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge

Level 1: Transfusion

• (A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
• (43) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge
• (46) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
• (46) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration

Level 2: Char

• (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
• (7) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
• (9) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
• (9) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 4: Fire Cages

• (A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
• (11) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range
• (11) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
• (13) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
• (13) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
• (15) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize

Level 6: Super Speed

• (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 8: Hot Feet

• (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (15) Obliteration - Damage
• (17) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
• (17) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
• (19) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (19) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 10: Siphon Speed

• (A) Accuracy IO

Level 12: Flashfire

• (A) Razzle Dazzle - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge
• (21) Razzle Dazzle - Endurance/Stun
• (21) Razzle Dazzle - Accuracy/Recharge
• (23) Razzle Dazzle - Accuracy/Endurance
• (23) Razzle Dazzle - Stun/Range

Level 14: Hasten

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Combat Jumping

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 18: Cinders

• (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
• (25) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
• (25) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
• (27) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 20: Maneuvers

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 22: Boxing

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 24: Tough

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
• (31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (33) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 26: Bonfire

• (A) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown

Level 28: Weave

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 30: Tactics

• (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
• (37) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff

Level 32: Vengeance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (40) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
• (40) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff

Level 35: Transference

• (A) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
• (39) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
• (39) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
• (40) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

• (A) Accuracy IO

Level 41: Mental Blast

• (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (42) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
• (42) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
• (42) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
• (43) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 44: Mind Over Body

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (46) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 47: Psionic Tornado

• (A) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
• (48) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
• (48) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
• (48) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
• (50) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (50) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 49: Indomitable Will

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 2: Swift

• (A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Health

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (34) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 2: Hurdle

• (A) Jumping IO

Level 2: Stamina

• (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
• (43) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

Level 1: Brawl

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (34) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

• (A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Cardiac Total Radial Revamp
Level 50: Cimeroran Total Core Improved Ally
Level 50: Pyronic Partial Core Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Total Radial Conversion
Level 50: Barrier Total Core Invocation
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Originally Posted by Oathbound

From their discussion during the coffee talk, it sounds like this is exactly the hold-up. The idea of a potentially perma-unkillable tank on a damage archetype.

Originally Posted by Pinkpup

I find it ironic that most people on the troller forum would have putting bonfire in the 'mostly' skippable column some month ago if asked. Now a proc comes along, which is causing people to stick it back in their build... and some wish to return it back to graveyard of skipped powers.


And by the way, you could have the same discussion about tornado. Lets see, auto-hit, good damage, rarely used till the kb proc came out.

Originally Posted by Little_Whorn

I'm not too mature to admit I giggle every time MesmerLune says "bonefire" instead of "bonfire". Sounds like a VD.

"Can't come in today, boss. My bonefire's been flarin' up!"

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Game-breaking != Farm really really fast. If the IO made the character untargetable by critters, they could still theoretically be killed by untargeted AoEs, it would not help them kill any faster, but it would still be game-breaking.

The proc in bonfire appears to be better than the original bugged version of smoke grenade that debuffed tohit -100%. If the IO in bonfire is not broken then neither would a -100% autohitting tohit debuff in smoke grenade be broken. At least that would obey the purple patch.

Originally Posted by ketch

Allowing one power in one control set to provide more control than any other against +6, +7, +8... conning enemies is common sense how?

Originally Posted by Warkupo

Thank you kindly.

After seeing it in action it would appear that reports regarding bonfire with this IO are not too greatly exaggerated. While I am capable of achieving similar mitigation with other controllers, I typically need to create a generally expensive build that focuses on synergy between the powers within my set. That a single IO in a single power can close the gap that easily in the amount of work typically required for that level of performance seems obviously imbalanced to me.

Originally Posted by Tater Todd

So you're saying that a Brute at almost Max Fury is outdone by Bonfire?

Pffft!

Fire Control even as a whole cannot compete with Super strength or Titaan Weapons ect unless it has a certain build...and even then Melee outshines.

Originally Posted by Warkupo

I agree with Reppu's sentiment. I do not believe it is ever wise to make a game easy to the point that it no longer requires user input. Such a games rarely hold the attention of anyone. That is why Balance is important.

Originally Posted by Reppu

Well, of course. I more meant in specific to the power in question in this thread.

An easy, and needed fix, until something else can be figured out is just removing the flag of accepting Universe Damage IO sets from Bonfire.

Easy, simple, people can quit literally breaking the game.

Originally Posted by BViking

Would that make it affect more KB-resistant foes, with the proc ensuring that they never go flying, correct?