Internet "journo" insults Felicia Day, net goes nuts!
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Posted on: 2012-07-01 03:10 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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And Felicia Day is documented as having been a full on gamer before she came up with the guild. It's not like Leno could go around back in the day sharing his car status with people online...though I'd be willing to be there's a site of some kind now that's all about his interests now. |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
To make a comparison: Jay Leno loves cars. He's got a huge collection of them. He often appears on car shows to talk about them and is profiled in the magazines. He's obviously extremely knowledgeable and passionate about them. It's fair to say Jay considers himself a gearhead and other gearheads accept him as one.
But his love of cars came out to the public after he already made it big. He also doesn't shove his hobby into his show all of the time and all of his jokes don't revolve around cars. Jay didn't build his name being "the car comedian". If that wasn't the case, perhaps people would be skeptical about him. . |
Her interests are rooted in geek culture and geek culture is very self-referential. Internet memes, video mashups, jokes about games in other games...it goes on. I don't see her behavior as being inconsistent with that.
S.
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I'm not big on football, but who is David Beckham? Wasn't he a Spice Girl husband?
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Not kidding.
I have no idea who Felicia Day is.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Who?
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Like Boxxy.
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Those were just NPCs
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Oh, I see. Anyone who didn't 'pay' the same 'dues' you did isn't a REAL gamer.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
When I was in high school, my friends and I used to have people trying to kick the sh out of us every day because we played computer games. We were harassed constantly. When using the internet was a social stigma, we were the outcasts but we took our lumps and called ourselves geeks as a point of pride.
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Gee...thanks...I think my IQ dropped about 20 points watching 20 seconds of that video. I didn't have that brain juice to spare!
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With people's over inflated sense of self, they tend to think that freedom of speech is freedom from repercussions. It does not work that way. All freedom of speech does is say that the government cannot take action against you (with exceptions) for what you say and that's it.
We are not the government. The public can and will take action and if your job depends on public goodwill then you best bet will always be STFU and think about what you are about to do or say first.
Heard from the Dixie Chicks lately? They learned first hand that they can literally talk themselves out of a career.
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So... what's the basis for you thinking she's not a gamer, other than not crossing some arbitrary commitment line to games? If you've seen any of her frequent talks or videos about games, she clearly plays them a lot and enjoys them. And I suppose you could call it all faked, but... wow, that's stretching it. Unless you're one of those that thinks actors are acting all the time... |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I got crap for being who I am.
As opposed to trying to pretend to be something I'm not (and make money off of it). If I had been trying to convince the jocks I was a football star in order to score with cheerleaders when I couldn't play for crap, then the situation would be comparable. |
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| Man, my handlers never page me when I'm appearing as a guest at cons. Do yours when you do? If they did I'd probably just leave the phone in my Lamborghini. |
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Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
With people's over inflated sense of self, they tend to think that freedom of speech is freedom from repercussions. It does not work that way. All freedom of speech does is say that the government cannot take action against you (with exceptions) for what you say and that's it.
We are not the government. The public can and will take action and if your job depends on public goodwill then you best bet will always be STFU and think about what you are about to do or say first. Heard from the Dixie Chicks lately? They learned first hand that they can literally talk themselves out of a career. |
Anyway, to the topic in general, the response from some male gamers to Felicia Day and female gamers in general is mystifying. I don't know how any female likes playing any FPS game, since the reaction of far too many on a standard server is to be bombarded by joking and serious comments on their sex, how they can't believe she's a girl, and far worse. This isn't 100% the case (and I even played in a BF2 clan with a woman who was freaking deadly in a helicopter), but it's pretty common.
And then there's stuff like male gamers attacking a woman raising money on kickstarter to research the relationship between games and women. She didn't even put up a clear cut theory or argument (as I understood it) and the misogynists came out of the woodwork, attacking her via every internet outlet possible.
For Felicia Day, it utterly baffles me. If you don't like her personality or the shows she makes (or has been on), that's fair enough. But attacking her geek/gamer cred or even getting misogynistic about it is bizarre, as is making statements about her doing nothing for gaming or internet culture. You can dislike Led Zeppelin and Felicia Day, but trying to say they didn't have an impact on their prospective fields is being blind at best.
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Likely because you've never BEEN a guest at a con.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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Man, my handlers never page me when I'm appearing as a guest at cons. Do yours when you do? If they did I'd probably just leave the phone in my Lamborghini. . |
The various personalities invited to cons have handlers to escort them around, provide security, keep them on schedule, and get them out of various awkward situations.
And I'm now sure, from the Lambo comment, that this is nothing more than the green monster.
She was a geek and a gamer and made something out of her life in the entertainment industry and gained wider recognition.
You... didn't.
Not attractive at all man.
But envy seldom is.
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Just to provide a reminder of why those handlers are around in cons... Wil Wheaton was surrounded by fans outside a restaurant during a con, and they would not let him through, because he OWED them autographs and his time, right at that moment. Felicia helped extricate him. He actually did the same for her some weeks before that incident.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Likely because you've never BEEN a guest at a con.
The various personalities invited to cons have handlers to escort them around, provide security, keep them on schedule, and get them out of various awkward situations. And I'm now sure, from the Lambo comment, that this is nothing more than the green monster. She was a geek and a gamer and made something out of her life in the entertainment industry and gained wider recognition. You... didn't. Not attractive at all man. But envy seldom is. |
Handlers sounds hoity-toity, and they can be, but there are reasons for them, sadly.
And even then, Felicia Day does not always have handlers. One of the main people for Child's Play was being interviewed by the recent Mario Marathon 5 crew, and she said that a woman on her own asked her for directions at a recent con. Only after did she realize it was Felicia Day. Funny.
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Meh.
I never liked her, ever. She's a glorified booth babe and doesn't even game. Hates it infact, even admitted to it at the various conventions she has been invited to. Her goal is to piggy back off the ''temporary geek fame'' on her way to a blockbuster movie like Spider-Man or something of the like and then move on to ''more professional/important roles'' akin to infamous Movie Women.
What she says during an interview that a publicist or ''behind the scenes'' person feeds her is way different than what she ACTUALLY is like. A lot of people got a huge wake up call when they asked her basic questions about the games she claimed to play and she failed to answer them correctly. Not even about answering them the right way, as we all have different gaming styles, but she didn't even have the right names for the techniques, messaging, and couldn't explain the basics of her character. NOR could she explain, in person, what character she picked, the items she loves to use more, instances and games she's enjoyed, and favorite characters. What was seen with her '' playing video games '' during some of her interviews, with her looking intent, was actually her admittedly learning to play or trying to figure out what button did what for what power.
Yeah, her own words at plenty of conventions. She still doesn't understand the geek lingo, hasn't created a character inside a game and doesn't play them except for when her publicist makes her do so; and has to sign her in and teach her how to send messages.
So to say Felicia is anything more than an actress bimbo/glorified booth babe, well is just plain wrong.
The asian girl in the Guild, the driving force behind WoW and other MMO's should be more popular than her by the standards people highlight Felicia for.
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I say pwn her image and bring her into the light.
Or make her into a gamer. Either will work for me.
She gives us real gamer-girls, Ladder&League girl gamers, Professional Girl Gamers recognized in our field; a very bad name.
Tweet on. 
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Me and my friends gamed alot in the 80's-90's (From Table top RPGS to computer, console and arcade machines), no one tried to kick our butts because of it, and we probably turned quite a number of people onto those games because of our enthusiasm for it, as well as turned people on to comics, anime (I remember a time where you could only get anime from bootlegs sold at Asian owned video stores), and pretty much everything else in geekhood. More likely it's because you isolated yourselves from others outside your gaming buddies that caused people to turn on you and think you were weird, not because you were a gamer or geek. Gaming and social interaction have never been mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
When I was in high school, my friends and I used to have people trying to kick the sh out of us every day because we played computer games. We were harassed constantly. When using the internet was a social stigma, we were the outcasts but we took our lumps and called ourselves geeks as a point of pride..
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Well, at least you're out there with your over the top hate. |
Originally Posted by Lulipop
Meh.
I never liked her, ever. She's a glorified booth babe and doesn't even game. |
You don't like her, you don't like her. Fine. Leave out statements that are basic equivalents to calling someone a trashy, brainless bimbo.
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Calm down.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Maybe it's the fact that people who aren't geeks and gamers have co-opted the culture to make money. Stuff like "Gamer Fuel" Mountain Dew and models who wouldn't know Samus from B.J. Blazkowicz who pose for skanky photos licking controllers. ****ing Usher performing at E3.
When I was in high school, my friends and I used to have people trying to kick the sh out of us every day because we played computer games. We were harassed constantly. When using the internet was a social stigma, we were the outcasts but we took our lumps and called ourselves geeks as a point of pride. Now that gaming is "cool", when actors or rappers go on about how huge gamers they are for playing Halo a couple of times or having run a raid in WoW, I can understand real geeks and gamers who who cringe at that. Like I said before, most are as legitimate as Vanilla Ice's street cred. IMO, being a gamer is like Woodstock; if everyone who claimed they were there had been there, they would have needed 10 fields. If everyone who claimed they are obsessive gamers was one, high school computer labs from the 80's and 90's would have been overflowing with people elbow to elbow and today there wouldn't been a free slot on any game server anywhere. |
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Calm down.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Do I score more nerd points for being a D&D, MtG, Comics, Trekkie, Cult Film, Book, Gaymer "Urban" nerd that grew up in the rough part of town?
It that's the case I should be able to destroy n00bs with a fleeting thought.
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You can but you need to find a trainer before you can slot the points into the skill.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Do I score more nerd points for being a D&D, MtG, Comics, Trekkie, Cult Film, Book, Gaymer "Urban" nerd that grew up in the rough part of town?
It that's the case I should be able to destroy n00bs with a fleeting thought. |
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Good luck with that. I keep clicking on one, but they just look annoyed...
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Originally Posted by Innovator
You can but you need to find a trainer before you can slot the points into the skill.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
XD lmao. Well I guess, I will go farm then.
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I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about that by now if any of it was true |
Originally Posted by Lulipop
Meh.
I never liked her, ever. She's a glorified booth babe and doesn't even game. Hates it infact, even admitted to it at the various conventions she has been invited to. Her goal is to piggy back off the ''temporary geek fame'' on her way to a blockbuster movie like Spider-Man or something of the like and then move on to ''more professional/important roles'' akin to infamous Movie Women. What she says during an interview that a publicist or ''behind the scenes'' person feeds her is way different than what she ACTUALLY is like. A lot of people got a huge wake up call when they asked her basic questions about the games she claimed to play and she failed to answer them correctly. Not even about answering them the right way, as we all have different gaming styles, but she didn't even have the right names for the techniques, messaging, and couldn't explain the basics of her character. NOR could she explain, in person, what character she picked, the items she loves to use more, instances and games she's enjoyed, and favorite characters. What was seen with her '' playing video games '' during some of her interviews, with her looking intent, was actually her admittedly learning to play or trying to figure out what button did what for what power. Yeah, her own words at plenty of conventions. She still doesn't understand the geek lingo, hasn't created a character inside a game and doesn't play them except for when her publicist makes her do so; and has to sign her in and teach her how to send messages. So to say Felicia is anything more than an actress bimbo/glorified booth babe, well is just plain wrong. The asian girl in the Guild, the driving force behind WoW and other MMO's should be more popular than her by the standards people highlight Felicia for. |
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You know, experiences vary and im not saying you didnt have some bad experiences, but when the heck was this? I went to grade/high school in the early 80s to mid 90's and i not only did not ever get beaten up for being a gamer(i did get attacked in a few arcades, but that was more because they attracted a group of local delinquents rather than because of any broad societal pressure, but found gamign to be a good starter for a lot of friendships i made back in the day. Heck, in the early 80s i remember getting together with kids i didnt even like over the singular goal of the male population(girl gamers were rare beasts at my grade school) of my grade at the time, beating the second quest of legend of zelda. this was pre-internet, you found something, you called the right guys and the info got out by phone. and ended a longstanding rivalry with a kid because i could help him with locations of items in rygar (nes, not arcade). I cannot ever remember a time when people were actually socially stigmatized by their peers because of gaming...provided they had some sense of balance and didnt neglect all other social skills for gaming. Yes there was generalized nerd bashing, but gamers(or vidiots, as was the nomenclature of the day) weren't a unique beast then, gamers who venn'ed into nerds were treated thusly and gamers who didn't weren't.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Maybe it's the fact that people who aren't geeks and gamers have co-opted the culture to make money. Stuff like "Gamer Fuel" Mountain Dew and models who wouldn't know Samus from B.J. Blazkowicz who pose for skanky photos licking controllers. ****ing Usher performing at E3.
When I was in high school, my friends and I used to have people trying to kick the sh out of us every day because we played computer games. We were harassed constantly. When using the internet was a social stigma, we were the outcasts but we took our lumps and called ourselves geeks as a point of pride. Now that gaming is "cool", when actors or rappers go on about how huge gamers they are for playing Halo a couple of times or having run a raid in WoW, I can understand real geeks and gamers who who cringe at that. Like I said before, most are as legitimate as Vanilla Ice's street cred. IMO, being a gamer is like Woodstock; if everyone who claimed they were there had been there, they would have needed 10 fields. If everyone who claimed they are obsessive gamers was one, high school computer labs from the 80's and 90's would have been overflowing with people elbow to elbow and today there wouldn't been a free slot on any game server anywhere. . |
In Felicia Day's defense, she's very passionate about Geek Culture. I've tuned into her live stream with her and some of her contemporaries talking about fiction they've read (it's like a monthly book club thing, and I can't say the name on the forums, save to say that the first part of the name is like Virginia), and she's knowledgeable. And not in a passing way. This is all being shown in an uncensored, unedited way where she's even getting a little drunk live on camera.
If there's detriment to be placed here, it's that she's used her celebrity to further her career, and that's something pretty much every celebrity does, even those whose sole attribute as a celebrity is being a celebrity. I can't really blame her for doing that. Alright, so she's an actor who makes her own web show and parlayed the success of that to get her more acting work. Sounds like someone who's clever to me rather than someone who's ruthlessly exploiting a section of culture.
She's certainly not alone. Look at how Wil Wheaton (who has a lot of varied interests and is very vocal in his own geek leanings) has done the same but with much less fanfare and a broad embracing by the geek community.
The real crux of the issue is here (at least to refrence Johnny B's posts) is the nature of geek culture. Like it or not, acknowledge it or not, but geek culture is now mainstream. I grew up as a fat kid with glasses who played D&D during his lunchtimes at school, obssessively played his Commodore 64, could recite the original D&D rules back to front, and was reading Tolkien seriously by the age of 14. And I got teased and bullied for it.
Now these things are embraced wholeheartedly and largely because the people involved in it are now the people who have given us the Internet and are the movers and shakers in society. They're now as socially powerful as sports heroes and movie stars were, and arguably moreso because there's no one demographic that 'geek heroes' come from.
And the term 'gamer' is mainstream now too. People game on smartphones and Facebook and it's something do as part of their lives rather than as a majority of it when you did indeed have to dedicate serious time to it...but I guarantee you that if I could've played my old C64 games on a smartphone, I would've.
The journalist either was drunk or maybe resentful of working on something about her and saying 'oh, this isn't real news and this is so beneath me' or something of that order. He got publicity for his actions, but it was all negative. Internet society is instant and a living breathing thing. You can't make a comment in isolation anymore and think it won't get noticed by someone, somewhere. It was a foolish move and it cost them their job, so if that was a publicity stunt, it was a costly one.
Felicia Day I suspect is what I percieve her to be: a professional making a living out of things she loves doing. So of course there's going to be a perception of her as being phony, because she's making money from it. Can't be genuine, right?
If there's anything I'd personally observe about her is that she doesn't appear to have let her fame go to her head, and she's enjoying the ride.
Hey, I would too.
S.
To make a comparison: Jay Leno loves cars. He's got a huge collection of them. He often appears on car shows to talk about them and is profiled in the magazines. He's obviously extremely knowledgeable and passionate about them. It's fair to say Jay considers himself a gearhead and other gearheads accept him as one.
But his love of cars came out to the public after he already made it big. He also doesn't shove his hobby into his show all of the time and all of his jokes don't revolve around cars. Jay didn't build his name being "the car comedian". If that wasn't the case, perhaps people would be skeptical about him.
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