The problem with how Tyrant is defeated.
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Posted on: 2012-06-15 15:09 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
For the whole question about the Dagger of Jocas, wasn't it also the key plot point of one of the higher tier Alignment Missions? I feel like it was mentioned in one of those as being an evil artifact that some Circle of Thorns-related demon was planning on using. Or maybe Desdemona was going to be using it to defeat such a demon, but you had the real one and she had a fake, or something like that.
The dagger of Jocas is mentioned in Dream Doctors personal story mission. Which, storywise, happens before the DD trial.
And the quills of Jocas are mentioned in one of the Peregrine missions/arcs that deals with Black Swan.
Not exactly foreshadowing, but they were known to exist before the iTrials in question.
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We do rarely get to see some good old fashioned "numbers" battles. By that I mean fights where the enemy just outright tries to overwhelm you with troops. The rare exception of that recently has been Marcus Cole's personal story, but sadly trying to complete that mission as intended mapservers you.
If batallion are a new race, lets hope we get some decent invasions, some staggering battles that involve good well thought out mechanics (instead of bonkers numbers or regen) and most importantly, the ability to counterattack them!!!
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
No for me and for my character would behave the same as Goku and Vegeta did in DBZ. Goku let Frieza fight at full strength to show he was better. Likewise, Vegeta could of beaten Cell but wanted to fight his ultimate form (which got Vegeta beaten) to prove his might.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
No for me and for my character would behave the same as Goku and Vegeta did in DBZ. Goku let Frieza fight at full strength to show he was better. Likewise, Vegeta could of beaten Cell but wanted to fight his ultimate form (which got Vegeta beaten) to prove his might.
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- Fighting eight clones of yourself at once, rather than just the one required to prove the process works. (Army of Me)
- Letting Marauder rage as reinforcements pile in, and beating him (Lambda Looter/Antacid/Well Stocked)
- Letting Anti-Matter regenerate to full health, and beating him (Loves a Challenge, if you don't die in the process)
- Fighting armies while refusing backup (Knows No Fear and Lone Wolf, possible to "cheat" by getting a team to be your backup)
- Letting Diabolique make the Sentinel as strong as possible, and defeating it anyway (Sentinel Smasher)
- Letting Diabolique keep draining powers from the two heroes she still had the entire time you're defeating her (Sacrificial Lamb)
This isn't the first time there's been an "easy" way to do something, and a badge for doing it the hard way. The only difference is this time the devs weren't sure the hard way was possible, so it's a separate badge from Master of Magisterium.
As for lore and history, all that needs to be recorded are the basics: That Cole nuked the Magisterium, drew power from the souls of the dead, got even more power from the Well, and was abandoned by the Well when his enemies were able to overcome him anyway.
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See i dont really care about dbz, goku is an idiot, he fights like a dolt. smart fighters find their opponents weaknesses and exploit them. reams upon reams of mythological stories involve the hero scouting out the weak point of their enemy or happening on it by chance and then using that to beat an overwhelming force. either with David hitting a weak point on an oversized armored warrior, susano o getting orochi drunk and then decapitating him, polyphemus being killed by having his eye impaled, lugh doing the same to balor, or achillies and... ya know. even willow and the pig trick(heck, also mad martigan and general kael). Its what heroes do, they triumph over brute odds with craft and wisdom.err..umm..spoiler alet.|
Originally Posted by Ultimus
No for me and for my character would behave the same as Goku and Vegeta did in DBZ. Goku let Frieza fight at full strength to show he was better. Likewise, Vegeta could of beaten Cell but wanted to fight his ultimate form (which got Vegeta beaten) to prove his might.
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plus its a poetic justice thing, tyrant's moral weakness was his underlings behavior, and the behavior of one of his underling serves to beat him, that's borderline monomyth territory.
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And let's not forget the various "Master of" badges, as well as badges like "Gotta Keep 'Em Separated". There are probably quite a few more.
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Originally Posted by Placta
Well, compare it to:
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Originally Posted by Positron
The "what if" scenario is the "Really Hard Way" badge. Defeating him without exploiting the weakness. This badge/method is an integral part of the trial lore. It shows that it IS possible, just that the odds are stacked dramatically against you. Until Black Swan shows up serendipitously (is that a word?) that is, and you realize the same weakness used to take down Diabolique can work here as well.
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As for this being "shady and cheap", Dream Doctor basically SAYS "I don't know how you're gonna do this, but I'm sure you'll figure something out!"
And we do.
I mean yeah, it'd be nice if we got the quills in, say, the BAF and it took up space in our inventory for 2 years with no real use until we meet Tyrant, but there's too much room for error there (like people deleting the power because it doesn't do anything), so this has to do.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
No for me and for my character would behave the same as Goku and Vegeta did in DBZ. Goku let Frieza fight at full strength to show he was better. Likewise, Vegeta could of beaten Cell but wanted to fight his ultimate form (which got Vegeta beaten) to prove his might.
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Oh wait, HE DIDN'T.
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well, the giant monkey form did get beaten..someone hit its weak point |
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Oh, and that time Goku beat Vegeta who had turned into a Giant Monkey.
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Originally Posted by CyberSunset
For the whole question about the Dagger of Jocas, wasn't it also the key plot point of one of the higher tier Alignment Missions? I feel like it was mentioned in one of those as being an evil artifact that some Circle of Thorns-related demon was planning on using. Or maybe Desdemona was going to be using it to defeat such a demon, but you had the real one and she had a fake, or something like that.
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He had no problem shanking Diabolique with it though. Why not worry that the new death goddess would get linked to Rularuu?
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Originally Posted by Kirsten
Well, Dream Doctor was afraid that Tyrant might get linked to Ruularuu, so it might be a bad idea to try and use it on Battalion.
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I think it's because Rularru is an Ascended being, a Well in it's own right. With Tyrant being the Champion of our Well, that could have even worse consequences. Diabolique, while powerful due to her link to Mot, wasn't the Well's Champion, making it safer to use against her. Probably not 100%, but still your best bet.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
He had no problem shanking Diabolique with it though. Why not worry that the new death goddess would get linked to Rularuu?
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Oh no, something we did might be slightly un-heroic. I'll just have to console myself by robbing banks and rearranging the organs of PPD officers.
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I still don't get this. I'm as disappointed with villain content of late as the next guy, but being happy that someone else is having as crappy time as my villains are strikes me as... Unproductive?
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Originally Posted by AkuTenshiiZero
Maybe now you know what it's felt like for villains all these years playing "co-op" content that was obviously written for heroes.
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I think what he meant by that was, if heroes did something bad for once maybe now they get how villains feel doing good all the time. Doesn't fit the character, breaks immersion and enjoyment.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I still don't get this. I'm as disappointed with villain content of late as the next guy, but being happy that someone else is having as crappy time as my villains are strikes me as... Unproductive?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I still don't get this. I'm as disappointed with villain content of late as the next guy, but being happy that someone else is having as crappy time as my villains are strikes me as... Unproductive?
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So SSA #1 where "heroes" get to kill off a number of their own through sheer incompetence.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I think what he meant by that was, if heroes did something bad for once maybe now they get how villains feel doing good all the time. Doesn't fit the character, breaks immersion and enjoyment.
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Originally Posted by Ogi
So SSA #1 where "heroes" get to kill off a number of their own through sheer incompetence.
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