All Things Character Art

Yes, we always use tears as our secret weapon to trick the poor innocent boys into doing what we want.

Gender Equality is an impossible goal unless the devs add a huge model for females.

Point of order, the majority of us argued for equality in as much as male/Huge got a cowboy outfit and the female model got a saloon girl outfit. I was one of the most vocal about that whole farce, and I certainly didn't ask for 'Never give Male/Huge' nothing unique ever again.

I just objected to Male/Huge getting what seemed like the 'real deal' of a pack, and all my female characters getting the 'sexified' version.

Anyway, we've been there, done that, and it may eventually lead to another thread down the line if the pendulum swings too far the other way...

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

That'd be repulsive and unrealistic - all the running around and beating up of bad guys we do keeps us in great shape

What is really starting to bother me is that I think this is why we were shorted on the CoT parts. All of the mages are male, so the parts had not been made for female or huge.

At some point they need to look in advance and just grasp that we want the NPC parts and do all the work at once. Instead we are left wondering if we will ever get the most desired parts from that set.

Perhaps they were waiting to see if it would sell before they put the time into convert the mage costume parts to female and huge. It was at the beginning of Freedom and no one was sure how it was going to work out. Sure we had said we wanted those/all NPC costume parts, and were willing to buy them, but no one was sure if we were really going to do so. Guess what? We did, the CoT costume pack was on the top ten list of items bought in the market. So, please convert the rest, and sell us pack 2.

Even better tell us you are converting and plan to release those items, and we will stop b******g about it.


The only reason I have not put you on ignore at this point is that on occasion you do have useful information. It is obvious that some of us are really bothered by this, and yet you still choose to make condescending remarks. It makes you look childish, and is really uncalled for.

People who responded with such things in the original gender equality thread were flamed so bad that there were not even ashes left. I didn't act this way in that thread because I felt it was disrespectful, and that it was a fair complaint. My complaining in this case is also a fair one. I would ask that you show some respect to my concerns, but you have no reason to have respect for me personally. So, instead I would ask that you show at least some maturity.

I agreed with the original topic. It was something worth fighting for. I also don't recall anyone in those threads calling for there to never be new pats for male/huge either. There were some that said there should be no unique parts a all for male, female, or huge. That it should all be the same and equal. I am still torn on that issue.

However it seems with the CoL set that the pendulum has swung the other way. All this over a sash. This is an issue that could have been avoided by converting the LONG REQUESTED item (the sash) to male/huge then instead of waiting. It is not like they didn't KNOW that it was one of the most desired parts ever.

To be clear I don't blame Dink for this. I blame the producer who seems to have had his/her head up their.... Well you get the point. Dink makes what she is told to make. I know who sets this priority, but I would rather not get banned so I am not going to point any fingers. Let's just say I think that person is stupid at this point.

Honestly, you guys (Paragon) want to make money. The best way to do that is to sell us what we want to buy. How do you know we really want to buy it? We have been telling you for YEARS. It is not like the request for a sash is something new.

Hey, you guys also knew what parts were most wanted in the CoT pack, how did you know? We told you. Please if need be use more polls.

Zwill made the statement that you can't include us in the development of every costume part. I agree with that, it would take forever. You can however use polls to prioritize what should get made, after all we are the ones buying it. It is our money you hope to get.

I didn't want to rant over this stuff, and it is not all about the gender thing. The CoT parts have been like a popcorn kernel stuck in my teeth for months now. With Jay gone I am scared we are never going to get them. Because who is going to want to go back to something they didn't make and convert it to the other models? This sucks, it really sucks. I mean are the CoT items going to be part of that stuff that should be ignored because the game needs to move forward?

On that note, I agree with the others. Revisiting that old stuff is moving forward. Shoot at least the CoT stuff you can call a new pack and charge us for it. See I don't care if it is a money grab. It is a business, you are supposed to try to make money. I am here telling you to take my money!

I have to stop now, because I may could write a small book on these issues. Zwill, I am sorry if I am making your life harder.

Producer in charge of costumes, get a clue, take a hint, figure it out. Phrase of your choice.

Dink, if you have not put me on ignore at this point (I would not blame you if you had), I really don't blame this on you. I know you do what the producer(s) tells you to do, I also know that the conversion of the jackets to females was charity on your part. Well, I am asking you, no begging you to find some charity for the guys and convert the CoL sash for us in your free time. Please.

Perhaps the pages and pages of people telling them how stupid and ugly the new costumes were might have made them think that the wouldn't sell well?

That's just as well, as they'd be disappointed.

It'll never be equal, because women wear more types of clothes than men - society has moved forwards, and there's no such thing as exclusively male clothing anymore.

you are not a gay male ^_^, and that statement is very... :deep breath: ...[never mind that's a whole other can of worms.]

and even then, there are plenty of the majority of males what would disagree. jockstraps for example [though i do not recommend that as costume pieces, but rather an example, especially since the female only clothing tends to usually be pseudo-sexy-times clothing.]

also, most of the female only parts can easily have a male counter part if you erase the cleavage/bra part and broaden the part that covers the hoo-ha.

never say never! society has changed, and is always changing. also, we have plenty of time-displaced characters. that argument is invalid.



port tiaras/crowns/bracers/sash/bottoms-with-skin for males/huge please! and that really cool metal/skin costume. and the heck with clipping! and the heck with performance issues, give me multi-capes and cape-hair! any good hair, actually, would be awesome.

i <3 dink. :snicker: i think i found my new battlecry.

Funny how that worked out. Those threads were more focused on the loss of the long robes, and that the CoT were changing at all. That is a fair statement though. However now they know how well they will sell.

There are pages of posts requesting the Black Knight armor. I hope they take those requests as serious. I hope that it doesn't roll out like the CoT pack missing the most requested items.

The CoT are some of the best looking mobs in the game. The CoT mages look epic, and I want those epic parts for my characters.

I am there with you. Let me ask you a question GG, do you want the game to stop making unique parts for males? Like facial hair styles, or unique faces? Do you want females to get more, or do you just think it is cool that it is working out that way?

Do you see at all where the CoL set was unfair? Because I do see where the Gun Slinger set was sexist, and unfair. I am just trying to get a base line for you when it comes to this issue. Sort of like I have when it comes to your view of loyalist. They are all evil no matter what path they took.

So I am trying to find out what you think is fair. I know equal is hard perhaps near impossible. My question is what you think is be fair.

At least it was a mature response. It could have been done. Several people suggested that there only be unisex parts made, and that male/huge/female all get the same parts in every pack from now on. It would have been equal, and it would have been boring.

I have never really disagreed with you about exclusive parts. You are right anything a man can wear, a woman can also wear...in most of the world any way, and in this part which is the important part. That however does not invalidate anything I said above. It is still unfair that the CoL sash was not converted for males and huge. It will be unfair if males start getting lower quality items than females.

Suggestion:The thing to do is when a new pack is release that has extra costumes for females in it (like the Retro Sci fi pack) is to take and convert some of those female unisex items to male and huge to make up the difference.
So if women are getting the space suit, and the retro dress, then convert the Barbarian Tiara, and the various bracers, and ect... over to huge and male to make up the difference.

Ok, that was a tongue in cheek suggestion. The point is that with the CoL pack paragon showed a line they were willing to step over. Why not step over it for males and release the CoT mage set for males. Port wands for everyone else. This would make the CoT Mage Pack exactly like the CoL pack.

Seriously, how would you feel about that? Me? Most of those items I want for a toon that is a huge model. But I would still buy it, and would still find uses for those parts.

Said friend, speaking up now. The mask pattern in question is the Roman overlay for faces. I hide the nose piece and forehead under a hat and one of the goggle sets from the Science pack. Screencap and artistic interpretation follows.

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Anyway, even better solution than hair with attached sideburns? Make a set as a face detail, and then add them to both Face Detail One AND Two, thus allowing them for use alongside either a mustache, goatee, or cigar (as I would want) and alongside glasses, a headband, or some other upper-face detail as I'm sure some other people would want.


Or y'know, just gimme a Face Detail 2 that is a combo sideburns+goatee. That'd be cool too.

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I second this. I have a character that is supposed to have star field pattern tights. I used an aura to kind of get the look I wanted. This is absolutely something I'd like to have.

Oh, and thank you for putting Egyptian on the list. Now who do I bribe to get it to the top of the list?

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Thanks for the feedback Dink, just one question.

Why is it not possible with more then one cloth dynamic?
Players were able to do it for a very long time before, both using wings with bolero robes, and capes/wings with the wedding tux jacket. Caused no issues from what i could tell.
Old crappy costume with cape+wings

No mention one way or the other of a human arm and muscular human arm option for the arm/upper arm section of the Robotic Arm categories? I reiterate that this seems like a simple way to create sleeveless and asymmetrical (since two of the aforementioned categories are inherently asymmetrical) options for numerous Tight selections.

I third this!!! But please include the pattern for the masks as well.

Mind. Blown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxEFUhiVt-s

I agree. I am done for now, if it comes up again I will just make a separate thread.

I could have sworn there was a mutton chops option under beards at one point in time. If not, I agree it would be a cool part to have, and it would help greatly any Elvis impersonators out there.

We do have a set of muttonchops but it has an attached mustache (what is otherwise known as "friendly chops"), rather than being sideburns-only. Also it is a Face Detail 2, which means even if it were sideburns-only I would have to lose the goatee.



Wings are not a cloth dynamic, but because capes are the original Back Detail, all other back details get knocked out of the possibility of use when you choose a trench coat or bolero (which, IMO, should be fixed, but probably hasn't yet because it's a UI issue and therefore apparently ridiculously hard to fix). However, I do still have an old costume that has two actual cloth dynamics from back when the Wedding Tux kept being missed, and I'll agree it doesn't cause problems, even on my crappy computer... But there is only one of me. My computer does slow down when I'm on maps full enemies that have capes, especially if said enemies are Mu or female Dark Astoria enemies, who have two or more cloth dynamics each. It also slows down terribly when I am on trials and I am only able to participate in trials on a very good day, because I am very likely to crash. Removing the restriction of one-cape-per-player would bring my computer to a grinding halt on maps like Atlas Park and Dark Astoria, which are places not easily avoided and which are already borderline for me because of their more advanced environment graphics.

Cool, I am not losing my mind then. IT would be cool if we could get a set of chops.

Also hats with long and braided hair for females AND males would be cool. I would love to have the Conical Hat with a braid hanging down in the back. That would be Kung Fu movie cool.