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I completely agree. They could have tried to work something horrifying into the game and that would have been AWESOME!|
Originally Posted by Daemodand
Compared to the Cthulhuesque horror we could have gotten, the wolf is a big disappointment.
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Here's to hoping it happens some day...
Perhaps something like the Spectral Terror, only more shadowy, would be appropriate.
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Agreed. I don't like the dog. I hope that one day we may get some sort of power customization where we can pick the dog, or a modified haunt or an altered Specter, etc. but yeah, not holding my breath. If I go dark in my reroll with GQ I may skip the dog entirely.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Compared to the Cthulhuesque horror we could have gotten, the wolf is a big disappointment.
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Is the dog still bugged? He doesn't seem very aggressive and usually waits until I've been attacked before attacking. I thought Synapse said a fix was coming in the next patch but not sure of timing of "next" patch and I haven't seen anything about it in recent patch notes history.
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Yes, it won't attack until you are attacked or you approach so the enemies are within its very short perception range.
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
Is the dog still bugged? He doesn't seem very aggressive and usually waits until I've been attacked before attacking. I thought Synapse said a fix was coming in the next patch but not sure of timing of "next" patch and I haven't seen anything about it in recent patch notes history.
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Put me in the "big black whiny dog does not a shambling, horrific shadow beast make" camp. I hate to say it but it seemed a bit of last-minute toss-in.
It's 106 miles to Grandville, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing faceless helmets
... Hit it ...
... Hit it ...
I would appreciate a less doglike pet, too.
Mostly, though, i'd like an end to the unceasing howling. How many times in 8 years have we gone through this? There's even a checkbox to stop repeating sounds in the options menu!
Fortunately I've been doing incarnate stuff with that character and half the time I don't even bother with the pet because it dies so much. Which is pretty sad in it's own right, but it's nice to have an end to the howling.
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Sorry, I worded my question poorly.|
Originally Posted by Moonlighter
Yes, it won't attack until you are attacked or you approach so the enemies are within its very short perception range.
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A) Yes, the dog is bugged so it only defends and is currently not working as intended?
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B) No, its not bugged, it just defends and/or waits for very low perception range...but the pooch is otherwise working as intended?
Which of the above statements is correct?
i dream of a day when an issue .5 will be a plethora of power and pet customization. MM customization will finally be worked out and the UI fixed, and controllers will have a whole slew of new pets to choose from [probably much easier than mm pets, obvi, look at animate stone...] with razorvines and bedrocks and geodes, and whisps and robots andnew shapes for phantoms and phantasms...
one day
that dream will come true. and i wont have to look at or listen to that dang stupid theme-breaking canine-specific dog-rig-overkill fuzzy-but-still-obviously-just-a-wolf-port pet any more.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
..Save the animals for Beast Mastery...
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Just got him about a week ago. I don't know if they worked on its AI or not but I haven't had any issues with it not attacking, it could be that I just haven't noticed but I haven't seen it yet.
Now on the look of the UB. When I first read the name of the Dark pet I was pretty excited but then I got to see him... its a dog, really. Don't tell me it's not a dog either. My 4 year old grandson was watching me play just yesterday and he said to me " I don't like your DOG he is ugly", of course I laughed, then he asked "why does he look like that" and I told him because that's how they made him. His response was "Well he is ugly, show me your spider again I like them". It doesn't make sense to have a dog. OK, you made him bigger and put a dark aurora around him, well its still a dog.
I too get really annoyed by his continued barking (again a dog, what beast barks) while idel, I can't stand to keep him out long unless I'm in a fight. His sounds don't bother me as much when fighting since I'm paying more attention to what's going on around me to care. If your not going to change him and I guess at this point it won't happen. Please, Please stop that barking or a least change how long the interval takes between barks. I haven't timed it but it seems to be every minute or less. If I had a dog in real life that barked that darn much I would get rid of it!
Now that I have seen Shadow Hunter Shadow Hounds, I'm really sad my dom doesn't get access to coyotes of doom 
Oh well, the wolf will have to do.
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Really not a fan of the Umbra Beast. I like the abilities and the damage, but why is it a dog? A large pink/purple dog at that. Somebody mentioned earlier that we should have gotten something like the CoT demon and I really agree. The dog just doesn't seem fitting at all.
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playing with the dog silenced is definitely the way to go but the dog is still very disappointing, it is incredibly weak both offensively and defensively, i use it more for an aggro shield than to actually help me, and when it dies half the time i forget to resummon it cause i can kill most mobs almost faster with out it
and yes im still very disappointed that we didnt get something more theme specific, this dog should have been in beast mastery or a vanity pet, not in dark control, it ruined the set for me
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Even those - although they would be a darn sight better than Lassie - are still don't fit the set. Look at the set as a whole a dog of any kind simple doesn't fit thematically. Unfortuantly I don't see any "fix" in the future, it seems destined to be part of the "This is the way it is, deal with it." Developer's List.|
Originally Posted by viper_kinji
Now that I have seen Shadow Hunter Shadow Hounds, I'm really sad my dom doesn't get access to coyotes of doom
Oh well, the wolf will have to do. |
It's 106 miles to Grandville, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing faceless helmets
... Hit it ...
... Hit it ...
I don't care for the way it acts, but I find the wolf VERY appropriate for the set.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_dog_%28ghost%29
's doesn't make things plural.
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that's probably what they were going for.|
Originally Posted by Bonnes
I don't care for the way it acts, but I find the wolf VERY appropriate for the set.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_dog_%28ghost%29 |
Sadly, unless the pet is some big bad 50 foot tall demon with glowy red eyes and horns and spikes everywhere nobody will be happy :P
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It's control over darkness itself. The set has these Haunts, which are formless, little ghost-like beings, for pets already. Every other Dark set has a shapeless creature born of pure darkness as it's main pet. Instead of getting bigger Haunt, or a variation of the shapeless Dark Servant, we got dog. And dog's body is solid, plainly visible, and can even be tinted bright colors that show off the fact that it's nothing more than a cut-and-paste wolf, at that.|
Originally Posted by Pinny
that's probably what they were going for.
Sadly, unless the pet is some big bad 50 foot tall demon with glowy red eyes and horns and spikes everywhere nobody will be happy :P |
And demons can stay in demon summoning.
I like the dog. I like the haunts.
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When the set was first announced I was very excited to see the most controlly-support set finally make it's way into the control sets.
The set itself is alright I guess. It's alittle wonky to me but sure..
Umbral Beast needs to SHUT. THE. ****. UP. The howling is terrible and the pet itself is underwhelming in terms of design. I know the devs were having fun with their new animal wireframes and wanted them on more than 1 power set but come on guys, this wolf is entirely out of place.
Edit also, darkness doesn't have to mean 'demonic' it could mean enigmatic or mysterious. I think it would be very unique to have a pet that has a different form every time it's summoned. It's a shapeless creature.
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I'd prefer a non-deciferable pet form... maybe like the black smoke in the t.v. show 'LOST."
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There may be method to the Devs madness in choosing a black dog as the form of the Umbral Beast. "Black Dog" is a term sometimes used to refer to clinical depression.
It was first coined by Samuel Johnson describing his depression and was subsequently used by Winston Churchhill to describe his own depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder).
For a set that focuses on fear and darkness for its core powers it seemed rather clever to me when I first saw that the Umbral Beast was a black dog/wolf.
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It's an issue of the development time needed to come up with a new pet model and animations. Electric Control's Gremlins, for example, are a minor variation on the Cap au Diable Demons, which are a graphic rework of the Rikti Monkey model (as are Fire Control's Imps -- take them out into the water and you can see the base model without the fire effects). I haven't paid enough close attention to be certain, but I'm pretty sure than the Demon Summoning pets are based off the Council/5th Column werewolf model -- many of the animations and vocalizations seem to be common between them. Beast Mastery required all-new rigging and animation for four-legged pets, so the devs will be looking to re-use all that work for other purposes; this is why we got the Coyote Run power in the market, for example.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
It's control over darkness itself. The set has these Haunts, which are formless, little ghost-like beings, for pets already. Every other Dark set has a shapeless creature born of pure darkness as it's main pet. Instead of getting bigger Haunt, or a variation of the shapeless Dark Servant, we got dog. And dog's body is solid, plainly visible, and can even be tinted bright colors that show off the fact that it's nothing more than a cut-and-paste wolf, at that.
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I have to agree that I'm not particularly thrilled with the choice of the wolf model for the Bête noire pet in Dark Control; besides the howling, I see Beast Mastery MMs with their pets out, and the constant swaying of the pets seems utterly unnatural and fake -- you watch video of real wolves, and when they're not moving, they don't bounce and shift like a boxer looking for an opening, they just stand there. If the Umbral Beast was going to be a reskin of an existing mob type, I would have preferred a rework of the Hordeling Berserker or another rework of the werewolf. Android_5Point9's suggestion of reskinning the CoT Spectral Daemons is decent, but I think that the name 'Beast' for the power requires something that runs on the ground; the Spectral Daemons don't have legs and fly.
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I don't mind the animations of the dog, per se, but what I don't like is how the dog's basic model is very much visible. It would be a lot better if that was completely transparent and the dark cloud effects over the top of it were more abundant... And the barking silenced.
I really try to like the set.. posses is awesome!
But the damned dark-shadow wolf , just kills the entire set for me. I know it's not logical, but even in BETA it killed it for me. Conceptually, there's no reason for Umbral Beast to be a big, giant wolf. You get two phantoms, a possess, etc.. all the other powers have a spectral/ghostly type theme.. then viola-surprise a big wolf!
It' just throws the whole set off for me. I know the pet isn't bad, and he's actually a decent damage dealer. But I just can't see past the fact it's a big snarling dog, in a darkness control set.
Umbral Beast's being a canine, ruins the set of for me. I wish it didn't, but it does!
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