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Super Packs Update 2/13/2012 - The Numbers

Agent White

By Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-02-13 18:06 in Developers' Corner

 

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
We don't have plans offer a secondary option in the immediate future.

Sorry .
Ah well. That's money I'm keeping then.

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Originally Posted by Deathless View Post
Welcome to Freedom where you gotta pay to win.
win what? The only things you can buy that help you 'win' are all earnable in game. The costumes and the pet are the only things exclusive, and... well don't think being dressed nicely or having a cute barky vanity pet does not give you any kind of 'winning' advantage.

 

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What the hell is a Paragon Merit? Did I miss a memo somewhere, or is this what we're calling reward tokens now?

edit: also, that ****** wolf pet will be the end of me.

 

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Thanks for the information, Zwil.

I will not be buying these, but good luck to the ones that do.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
We don't have plans offer a secondary option in the immediate future.

Sorry .
Then it's something I can do without.


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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
Wait... You're putting ATOs into the game without enabling their trading in the Auction House like you said was going to happen?


doom.
wha? Where did this come from?

 

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This is a no for me too (though I may throw some stray reward tokens at them).

I am against these as a product and don't want to see future ones implemented in the same way. I vote no. I only want the costume set and won't pay a random amount for them.

If you had let us buy the costume pieces individually, a la carte, then I would probably have bought some packs to try my luck. As is, nope.

Sermon
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Originally Posted by Deathless View Post
Welcome to Freedom where you gotta pay to win.
You can win costume competitions without needing the Elemental Order set.

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Originally Posted by Emberly View Post
What the hell is a Paragon Merit? Did I miss a memo somewhere, or is this what we're calling reward tokens now?
It is

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Originally Posted by Deathless View Post
Welcome to Freedom where you gotta pay to win.
Not that I plan on doing these super packs, but in no way do they help you "win" anything; MAYBE a costume contest with the elemental order pieces....

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Before tomorrow's launch of the first Super Pack: Heroes and Villains, I wanted to share the breakdown of the odds of getting each item in the packs. This should be considered final and official.

I'm not thrilled that merits are still on the VR table, but I like that ATO's have the highest percent to drop on it.

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I like this idea and will buy a few. Its exciting... like opening a x-mas present. Is it gonna be socks or a big wad of cash... I like that part. Same reason I random roll every Hero Merit I get.

No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded...
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My math sux so help me if I'm wrong... If there is a 34.14% of getting an ATO in a pack and there are 12 ATO sets (6 pieces in each), my chances of getting the piece needed for my favorite toon (MM) is about 0.4742%. So I would have to buy more than 200 packs to get the full set... ouch.

 

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Originally Posted by RadioSilence View Post
My math sux so help me if I'm wrong... If there is a 34.14% of getting an ATO in a pack and there are 12 ATO sets (6 pieces in each), my chances of getting the piece needed for my favorite toon (MM) is about 0.4742%. So I would have to buy more than 200 packs to get the full set... ouch.
You only have a 34% chance if you get a very rare. You many not even get a very rare.

I am not sure why Z posted these numbers without also telling us the chance of getting each tier, since it makes the rare and very rare numbers practically useless.

Sermon
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
Before tomorrow's launch of the first Super Pack: Heroes and Villains, I wanted to share the breakdown of the odds of getting each item in the packs. This should be considered final and official.
Could someone check my numbers here? The odds I'm getting for the black wolf are, frankly, absurd.

Odds of getting a Very Rare card in a super pack: 79/100 (from here)
Odds of getting a black wolf from a VR card after getting all three Elemental Order parts: 1 in 192. (Actual odds of getting the wolf from a VR card are slightly worse, since you've got a slight chance of getting the wolf while the costume parts are still in the rewards table.)
Odds of getting a black wolf pet from a super pack: 79/19200, or about 0.41%

Plugging this into my binomial-distribution spreadsheet gives a 50% cost of 169 packs and a 99% cost of 1116: that is, 50% of players who want a black wolf pet will need to open at least 169 super packs to get it, and one person in a hundred will need to open 1,116 or more.

 

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Originally Posted by Sermon View Post
You only have a 34% chance if you get a very rare. You many not even get a very rare.

I am not sure why Z posted these numbers without also telling us the chance of getting each tier, since it makes the rare and very rare numbers practically useless.
Arcanaville already worked out the distribution of card types: see http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Super_Pack

 

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Arcanaville already worked out the distribution of card types: see http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Super_Pack
I wonder if we could get a confirmation that her numbers are still correct.

If so, that is more VR that I had expected.

Sermon
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
Wait... You're putting ATOs into the game without enabling their trading in the Auction House like you said was going to happen?


doom.
If that functionality isn't there yet then that's a bug AFAIK. I know that was occurring during beta but my understanding was that it was corrected at some point.

Also, it's important to note that the ATO's purchased using Reward Merits/Hero Merits are coming with Issue 22. The wait should not be very long.

Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

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Originally Posted by Deathless View Post
Welcome to Freedom where you gotta pay to win.
Uh... Yeah, i guess you have to pay in points or tokens to win whatever's in a Super Pack since that's the only way to get them, but otherwise your statement is... uh, well actually it's kind of dumb. At least in reference to the Super Packs. Everything except the pet and costume pieces can be acquired through other means.

The Elemental Order pieces are rather nice looking, but hardly required to win anything. i've won costume contests using nothing but pieces available since Issue 6.

i'll be spending a few reward tokens on these packs just to see what i get, so i guess there's that.

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I'm so gonna own the PvP field with my new Elemental Order costume!
PvP? which game are You playin?!? (j/k)

 

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
If that functionality isn't there yet then that's a bug AFAIK. I know that was occurring during beta but my understanding was that it was corrected at some point.

Also, it's important to note that the ATO's purchased using Reward Merits/Hero Merits are coming with Issue 22. The wait should not be very long.
That's a relief. I think I'll save my money and wait for that option. Thanks.

 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Sorry, but agreed.

I am with-holding my cash monies from these things. Even though I really, really badly want those costume pieces, I am NOT supporting these damn things. End of.
Ditto. The costume pieces are very nice looking, and I'd buy them outright as a Costume Bundle, but I'm not going to gamble for them and spend a variable and likely gratuitous amount of points/money/tokens on a bunch of stuff that I don't really want along the way. I got out of CCGs because that kind of system annoys me, and I avoided HeroClix (and a couple of other things that otherwise interested me, such as Navia Dratp) altogether because of it.

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Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
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