Super Packs Update 2/13/2012 - The Numbers
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Posted on: 2012-02-13 18:06 in Developers' Corner
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
ATOs are already at the Merit Vendors: $25mil Inf + 500 Merits (may be a bit more Merits for the procs)
and at the Astral Vendor: $25mil Inf + 55 Merits (+70 Merits for the procs) |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Also, it's important to note that the ATO's purchased using Reward Merits/Hero Merits are coming with Issue 22. The wait should not be very long.
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If you are literally spending cash, then it depends on how you buy points. The best case scenario is buying points $100 at a time and buying the superpacks 24 at a time, for a net $0.625 per pack, or 160 packs per $100.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
1 pack = 80 Points/Pack = $1.00 USD/Pack
12 pack = 70 Points/Pack = $0.88 USD/Pack or $10.50 USD for the bundle. 24 pack = 60 Points/Pack = $0.75 USD/Pack or $18.00 USD for the bundle. Really... Don't strain yourselves. |
Of course most people won't do that. $30 buys you 2640 points, which buys you 40 packs (a pack of 24, a pack of 12, and 4 singles) with 40 points left over, which would be about the effective price of the 24 pack if you bought the points a buck at a time.
This doesn't count the reward tokens you'd get for spending that money.
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I didn't see any at the alignment merit Vendors just yet but the other vendors already have them listed.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
*Cough*
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I22 must be close.
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Here I was, all worried that I would be spending money that I probably shouldn't spend and be saving for something more important, like a new scarf, or a tattoo. This is why I love you guys over at Paragon. thanks to you I can breath a sigh of relief as I keep all of my money!
In case the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough, No, I do not support the idea of gambling for goods and am in no way shape or form going to spend a single penny on them.
If these items were offered for purchase, even at a slightly higher than reasonable amount, I would have considered purchasing some of the things on the list that appeal to me.
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Thank you very much for making the odds public.
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Only part of the odds.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
Thank you very much for making the odds public.
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They didn't release the odds of what type of pack each pack could be
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Reward Merit purchases of ATOs is already Live.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Also, it's important to note that the ATO's purchased using Reward Merits/Hero Merits are coming with Issue 22. The wait should not be very long.
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Alignment Merit purchases of ATOs isn't available in Beta... you sure it's going Live?
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In-Game Purchase Price of ATOs
- Reward Merits: 400 (500 for the Proc) + 25 mil Inf.
- Astral Merits: 55 (70 for the Proc) + 25 mil Inf.
- Alignment Merits: Supposed to happen, but not available on Beta.
- Empyrean Merits: Not available
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And I opened over 300 packs on beta to 'not' find the Black Wolf.|
Originally Posted by Surging_Starfall
I got the set after around 12.
Then after around 60 or something more I got a wolf. This also lead to having multiple full ATO sets, hundreds of those other random things and over 5k merits. Others seem to have gotten the set in even less. |
The costume set seems to finish somewhere between 10-35 packs or so (which equals $10-35), I'm sure Arcanaville has calculated the exact bell curve.
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Originally Posted by Ynaught
I miss the "old days" when I could throw down $10 and get a guaranteed costume set and power with the Booster Packs. Getting the Martial Arts booster was probably the best extra $10 I ever spent on the game.[/B]
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I would love to buy the Animal pack if they ever re-bundle it, but not at $25 or so, for what it is costing today.
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Now for the big question: are the ATO's worth it?
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
In-Game Purchase Price of ATOs
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Unhappiness levels rising|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
We don't have plans offer a secondary option in the immediate future.
Sorry  . |
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Stalker proc: definitely|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Now for the big question: are the ATO's worth it?
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Brute proc: maybe
Scrapper proc: maybe
Dominator proc: probably better off slotting for more damage
Tanker: Yes
Defender proc: IMO, yes (much better than the Entropic Chaos proc)
SoA proc: yes
Kheld proc: yes
MM proc: IMO, no (compared to what you'd invest on other pet positional defense Uniques)
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Account bound, or character bound? I'm wondering if I have to keep them on a toon forever if I upgrade, or I can at least move them around among my own characters.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There's only one quality of ATO's offered in the Super Packs. Purple ATOs are created using Catalysts (which makes them bound).
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Minor clarification: are the entire ATO sets for their bonuses worth it. I've read up on them at paragon wiki and some seem nice, and apparently upgrading all 6 augments the set bonuses, if so, what are the set bonuses with all 6 ATO having been augmented?
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Stalker proc: definitely
Brute proc: maybe Scrapper proc: maybe Dominator proc: probably better off slotting for more damage Tanker: Yes Defender proc: IMO, yes (much better than the Entropic Chaos proc) SoA proc: yes Kheld proc: yes MM proc: IMO, no (compared to what you'd invest on other pet positional defense Uniques) |
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Market seems to be working, just not for Purple'd ATO's(but that's expected, they are bound to account). |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
If that functionality isn't there yet then that's a bug AFAIK. I know that was occurring during beta but my understanding was that it was corrected at some point.
Also, it's important to note that the ATO's purchased using Reward Merits/Hero Merits are coming with Issue 22. The wait should not be very long. |
I *am* able to buy them from the merit vendor right now, and Astral Christy. Can't use Hero/villain merits for them, though(Unable to use those for ATO's on Beta either).
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Ultimate, just like all purple sets. EG, damage bonus of 4%, recharge of 10%, some other bigger than normal global numbers for other stuff. Augmenting them just turns them purple, restricts them to level50 and adds superior to their names, just like normal purples have.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Minor clarification: are the entire ATO sets for their bonuses worth it. I've read up on them at paragon wiki and some seem nice, and apparently upgrading all 6 augments the set bonuses, if so, what are the set bonuses with all 6 ATO having been augmented?
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In a way, you lose by augmenting, because you no longer have access to the set for all levels. But the stat increases are still nice, especially if you are incarnate content focused and don't exemplar much. But leaving them normal would be a bigger advantage for someone who exemplars often. Unless they just magically get treated as their non-superior versions when you exemplar, but I don't know.
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For me, no. Especially being that I have a mild case of altitis.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Minor clarification: are the entire ATO sets for their bonuses worth it. I've read up on them at paragon wiki and some seem nice, and apparently upgrading all 6 augments the set bonuses, if so, what are the set bonuses with all 6 ATO having been augmented?
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That's 150,000,000 per set plus either (330+ Astrals, 2400+ Reward Merits, or a ton of points/cash at the PMarket) or whatever the going market rate will be for these.
If you have those kind of resources, then I'm better off leaving that kind of speculation to what your needs dictate.
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*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
Am I missing something? I thought we were getting a Paragon Reward option for these, but I don't see it.
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Jeez I hope they either confirm our measurements or state the new odds. I'm not sure I can justify 2000 superpacks on live ($1250). If experienced stacked I would have enough on beta to go from level 1 to level 50 by killing one minion.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Only part of the odds.
They didn't release the odds of what type of pack each pack could be Common-Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Uncommon-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare-Rare Common-Uncommon-Uncommon-Rare-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare-Very Rare Etc... |
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For i22, I'm sure. They have it on Beta.|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Am I missing something? I thought we were getting a Paragon Reward option for these, but I don't see it.
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I'm under the impression the Packs where meant to be saved for i22, but they gave us something special for V-day.
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Hm, I've been thinking of the sets that offer some S/L def or NRG def but overall not that impressed yet. Think I'll wait for awhile and tinker with Mids and see how things go.|
Originally Posted by Surging_Starfall
Ultimate, just like all purple sets. EG, damage bonus of 4%, recharge of 10%, some other bigger than normal global numbers for other stuff. Augmenting them just turns them purple, restricts them to level50 and adds superior to their names, just like normal purples have.
In a way, you lose by augmenting, because you no longer have access to the set for all levels. But the stat increases are still nice, especially if you are incarnate content focused and don't exemplar much. But leaving them normal would be a bigger advantage for someone who exemplars often. Unless they just magically get treated as their non-superior versions when you exemplar, but I don't know. |
The Dominator set looks quite useful for permadom building but I can achieve that without the set. Mastermind set looks like it could be done without. Brute set looks useful, and I like the idea of a proc that augments fury on all attacks, blaster's wrath...eh, Kheld Grace could be useful for going perm eclipse or perm light form but those can be achieved without. Think I'll wait.
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True. They should release those too. But I wanted to thank them for at least doing this. It can't all be vinegar.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Only part of the odds.
They didn't release the odds of what type of pack each pack could be Common-Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Uncommon-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare-Rare Common-Uncommon-Uncommon-Rare-Rare Common-Common-Uncommon-Rare-Very Rare Etc... |
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Sorry, but agreed.
I am with-holding my cash monies from these things. Even though I really, really badly want those costume pieces, I am NOT supporting these damn things. End of. |
I have to agree w/ folks. I dont mind the Random but the fact that they are not all account wide when you DO get lucky and "randomly" get what you want to get... I work REALLY hard to be able to afford pay-for-play VIP status and this is just beyond re-donk-u-lous. I could buy the outfits outright if they opened up account wide and take time gaining the points to get all of what i want but NOT FOR EACH toon I have. I'd need to win the damn lottery for that.
This is uber dissapointing for me in Coh..to which i just spent over $100 dollars or more for a year long VIP membership...
I hope these suprise random supposedly super packs arnt going to be a rising theme-thing because I'm so unhappy with the current one--- this Professional Librarian has no words.
IF this is the way the packs are going to be released from now on I can see my interest in that aspect of the game not just tanking but downright expiring.
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My tanker quite enjoys the set on Defensive Sweep too, why get 15% defense per use, when you can get 15% defense and 6% resist :P|
Originally Posted by Nericus
The Dominator set looks quite useful for permadom building but I can achieve that without the set. Mastermind set looks like it could be done without. Brute set looks useful, and I like the idea of a proc that augments fury on all attacks, blaster's wrath...eh, Kheld Grace could be useful for going perm eclipse or perm light form but those can be achieved without. Think I'll wait.
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So Tankers benefit pretty well from it with around 20% resist all at most.
Stalkers are going to benefit greatly from theirs with a chance to trigger hide on each attack I think.
55+25 Mill for Atrals...not bad better than 100 Mill I'll say. You can get your Incarni Powers and Craft some ATOs