Updates on the way: Steampunk, Gunslinger and Magic Packs!
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Posted on: 2012-02-13 16:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Wow, this is a long thread. >_>
Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of "Thank you, Dink!" Your efforts are most definitely appreciated.
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They're also in the Helmets category.
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Originally Posted by AlishaShatogi
On the note of ports, why are the Carnie masks and head details only in the Standard heads category? Can maybe have in Hoods and Hats too?
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Thank you Dink <3
One question though: Is the female Baron jacket with the Dragon design supposed to have mirrored left and right sides instead of having the full dragon image, like the male one?
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This was reported as a Bug and Dink is fixing it.
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Originally Posted by FlashToo
Thank you Dink <3
One question though: Is the female Baron jacket with the Dragon design supposed to have mirrored left and right sides instead of having the full dragon image, like the male one? |
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OK, yay!
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
This was reported as a Bug and Dink is fixing it.
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Originally Posted by dink
hey guys,
just wanted to let you know that i am very excited to bring to you something that you have been asking for, for a long time... By some small miracle i had some spare time in my schedule in this milestone. So rather than spend the day twiddling my thumbs, i have ported the following costume pieces over to female: misc jackets
unfortunately we were not able to port over the gunslinger shirt to female due to various clipping issues. These updates can be expected with the upcoming launch of issue 22! I hope you all enjoy the pieces we had time to port over! |
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As someone with no interest in using that mask on anyone, I can't help but think "so?"|
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
As for the Carnie stuff, whilst yes I agree that the sash could go on males, there are NO Carnie males that wear the harlequin masks. They wear buckets on their heads. The pack needs to be relevant to the theme it's for as well as gender equal.
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It's not like I don't use Barbarian pieces for non-Barbarians, Gunslinger pieces for non-gunslingers (and probably non-whatever other overall concept the set has). I've probably got somebody using something from the magic pack that doesn't use magic!
Being relevant to the theme doesn't require prohibiting things that go in a different direction.
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Originally Posted by Vyver
We /are/ overdue for an cast-iron frying pan War Mace option.
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Originally Posted by Shadowblaze
If you're still looking at this thread tomorrow and see this, is there any way you could maybe also fix the Gunslinger bows sometime? They're all taking the transparency from the veil and just look really, really awful. *cough* Maybe make some no-veil options too. *cough*
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Definitely endorsing no-veil options though. The bow just looks too good for me not to use it, but it'd work better for that character without the veil.
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Originally Posted by Morganite
Oddly, I tend to see using a frying pan as a weapon as more a male thing. I guess Iksel really made an impression on me.
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Speaking of Huge lovin. My girl friend is annoyed there arent huge girls. Like She-hulk. I explained that would probably required the creation of many thousands of new costume peices for a whole new skeleton and isnt really feasable. |
Originally Posted by Dink
Ok, I could have said it better
 I'm a big fan of the Male but I think Huge needs some lovin...how's that  |
She then came up with this very odd solution... Now, I will preface that this is HER idea.
Give the current HUGE model new chest details that are various different types of fake breasts and just add a couple of faces and all done!!
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That would work as long as you didn't mind the fact that your "huge person with female faces and fake boobs" would only have male costume options to choose from. Sure there might be a few combinations of costume items that would be "passable" for that. But sadly I think any kind of solution along these lines would be far more involved than your girlfriend is accounting for.|
Originally Posted by Swergen
Give the current HUGE model new chest details that are various different types of fake breasts and just add a couple of faces and all done!!
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Think of it this way: if there was an easy solution to the "huge female" problem the Devs probably would have handled it years ago. *shrugs*
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That is cool, maybe next time you can port over the Carnival of Light masks and head options, and sash belt, etc over to male and large? I would never complain about having access to costume pieces, but it is a bit ridiculous how female has SO MANY more costume options than male. Now you are giving them even more things? That is fine, but I would like some balance please. More ports to male and huge!!!
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Originally Posted by Dink
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I am very excited to bring to you something that you have been asking for, for a long time... By some small miracle I had some spare time in my schedule in this milestone. So rather than spend the day twiddling my thumbs, I have ported the following Costume Pieces over to female: Misc Jackets
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Your huge 'females' might also get offended at all the NPCs referring to them as "he". Though I guess you could play that off a variety of ways...
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Originally Posted by Lothic
That would work as long as you didn't mind the fact that your "huge person with female faces and fake boobs" would only have male costume options to choose from. Sure there might be a few combinations of costume items that would be "passable" for that. But sadly I think any kind of solution along these lines would be far more involved than your girlfriend is accounting for.
Think of it this way: if there was an easy solution to the "huge female" problem the Devs probably would have handled it years ago. *shrugs* |
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Most early arcs still in the game are written with "he" for the player instead of $gender so if anything it would just be a retro experience.
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
Your huge 'females' might also get offended at all the NPCs referring to them as "he". Though I guess you could play that off a variety of ways...
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This is true, and it has always bothered me. Mainly for the simple fact that in the "real world" women's fashion has always had a better selection of options because (most) men don't care as much. I, on the other hand, care much more than the typical male. I have always been bothered by this bias in life. Now it has bled into my COH as well. But I read not to worry about the females special treatment because there are good things coming. So I suppose I will wait and see. A few male exclusive costume packs would brighten my dull canvas significantly.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Not with things like armor sets or uniforms.
But more so with street clothes and historical clothes, then yes. Women get numerically more. Because woman usually wear more. Women layer more. Women have more diverse styles. Men just don't (usually) wear all the extra stuff women wear: shawls, belly shirts, corsets, skirts, etc... Take skirts,e.g. Men have kilts. Women have dozens of styles of skirts. But they both get battle skirts (e.g., Valkyrie or Roman). What rankles me is that men don't have shorts. But when men do get shorts, there's no need for a dozen styles. The comedian Elaine Boozler tells this joke in her stage act about how men and women differ and to show how they differ, she claims men won't even get this joke: "I was shopping with my boyfriend and I said I needed a new pair of black pants. And he said you already have a pair of black pants." The women in the audience laughed because they got the joke. If you don't get the joke, then you should back out this debate, because you just don't get how differently women actually use clothing in reality. Just compare the average woman's closet to a man's closet. Woman have more costuming needs. And that's a fact. Thus, forcing an equality based on simple numerical equity is just wrong. And this is me making this argument who was spearheading the gender bias charge for years here. It's not about numbers. |
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agreed. masks and sashes, and heck the head/crown pieces too. there is no reason males/huge models cant have them.|
Originally Posted by Morganite
As someone with no interest in using that mask on anyone, I can't help but think "so?"
It's not like I don't use Barbarian pieces for non-Barbarians, Gunslinger pieces for non-gunslingers (and probably non-whatever other overall concept the set has). I've probably got somebody using something from the magic pack that doesn't use magic! Being relevant to the theme doesn't require prohibiting things that go in a different direction. Oddly, I tend to see using a frying pan as a weapon as more a male thing. I guess Iksel really made an impression on me. Can you clarify as to what the problem is? I just checked my character that has one of those bows, and nothing looks transparent except the veil part. So either I'm just not understanding the problem, or I'm assuming it's the way it's supposed to be, or something... Definitely endorsing no-veil options though. The bow just looks too good for me not to use it, but it'd work better for that character without the veil. -Morgan. |
like i've said before, if we only wanted to mimic the NPC's exactly then they should have given us an NPC transform power. the point of selling the pieces is to mix and match for player creativity.
so give those items to males.
ALSO, the gunslinger boots for males... can i use them with other lower body options than "pants" please? thank you. ladies can. why cant i?
O_o c'mon y'all...
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the problem is, it hasnt always been so. men used to be just as fashion savvy, and will be again. there are phases in american culture, and other cultures that fluxuate from one gender expression having all the visual fun as well as being objectified... then it goes back to the other side.|
Originally Posted by Red_Addiction
This is true, and it has always bothered me. Mainly for the simple fact that in the "real world" women's fashion has always had a better selection of options because (most) men don't care as much. I, on the other hand, care much more than the typical male. I have always been bothered by this bias in life. Now it has bled into my COH as well. But I read not to worry about the females special treatment because there are good things coming. So I suppose I will wait and see. A few male exclusive costume packs would brighten my dull canvas significantly.
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still, NO MORE CORSETS and more pieces that everyone can wear. thank you.
great work on the Imperial set
but can males have interesting trenchcoat tails too please? no reason not to port the coats and coat tails.Women DO NOT have "more costuming needs" than anyone else. since when is someone else's desire to look good more important than mine? i look good and i like looking good and i like having options for looking good. thank you.
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by daveyj3
Women DO NOT have "more costuming needs" than anyone else. since when is someone else's desire to look good more important than mine? i look good and i like looking good and i like having options for looking good. thank you.
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Originally Posted by Dink
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I am very excited to bring to you something that you have been asking for, for a long time... By some small miracle I had some spare time in my schedule in this milestone. So rather than spend the day twiddling my thumbs, I have ported the following Costume Pieces over to female: Misc Jackets
Unfortunately we were not able to port over the Gunslinger shirt to female due to various clipping issues. These updates can be expected with the upcoming launch of Issue 22! I hope you all enjoy the pieces we had time to port over! |
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Forcing this would be stupid.|
Originally Posted by daveyj3
the problem is, it hasnt always been so. men used to be just as fashion savvy, and will be again. there are phases in american culture, and other cultures that fluxuate from one gender expression having all the visual fun as well as being objectified... then it goes back to the other side.
still, NO MORE CORSETS and more pieces that everyone can wear. thank you. |
No dresses? No skirts? No corsets? So basically everyone gets "male" clothing and has to like it? That's horribly hypocritical of you.
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great work on the Imperial set but can males have interesting trenchcoat tails too please? no reason not to port the coats and coat tails. Women DO NOT have "more costuming needs" than anyone else. since when is someone else's desire to look good more important than mine? i look good and i like looking good and i like having options for looking good. thank you. |
I, personally, am of the opinion that there should be gender-specific costume packs (or at least accessory packs like the carnival one), in addition to much larger and more regular costume packs for everyone.
If they want to make a frilly pirate shirt for guys, that's awesome, and they shouldn't have to wait until they have one that works for females too before it gets released. If they have a great idea for a skirt, they shouldn't have to wait until they can make it work for guys too before they release that. If they want to make a Titan weapon that's a giant thing o' lipstick and for whatever reason they decide to make it female-only, that's fine, but there should be back and forth, NOT generic conveyor belt options.
I want fancy, customized, interesting options that cater to my features, not belt-fed costume parts.
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At this point I would be happy just to get a real sash for my Huge and Male toons. 
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Unfortunately for you, not everyone feels the same way. | still, NO MORE CORSETS and more pieces that everyone can wear. thank you. |
We have had a few new entries recently under "corsets." I love them all, and if we had twenty different corsets in the costume creator, probably all of them would get used. Corsets are popular, you see. Not just with me, but I see them everywhere, constantly.
They're not popular with the person I quoted, true. But I find his dystopian vision of No New Female-Specific Costume Parts EVAR to be quite depressing. And he does not speak for the entire playerbase.
As for someone's claim that women don't have more costume "needs," yeah right. Since any given store's ratio of female clothing department vs male clothing department is probably at least 2:1 - if not more - seems that real life disagrees.
Women are clotheshorses. Deal with it.
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Women are clotheshorses. Deal with it.
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On the note of ports, why are the Carnie masks and head details only in the Standard heads category? Can maybe have in Hoods and Hats too?