Time for COH 2.0?

When AE first came out, you actually could have multiple primaries but then they gimped it. So was really fun creating characters with power combinations in AE that you couldn't even do in the regular game.

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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue Man, I've been waiting for a Blade/Gun Dominator secondary forever. Well, we've got Ninjutsu. Maybe the devs could work on something more gadgety and less ninja...ey...somewhere down the line.

I would have to agree. I did in fact play Certified Other and while I reveled in realizing my wish of having a character with different emanation points for its powers (different shoulder mounted options, palm-based lasers..hmm sounds familiar lol) once I kept shooting down baddies in the desert or in the ice, I um..er, got bored.

However, when playing that game, I also kept my CoX account (always will) as the appreciable amount of lore and actual content far surpassed that "CoH2" attempt. I also played that other new super hero MMO and was so confounded by the console controls forced on a PC that I gave up. And though it has loads of IP, and shiny graphics, the level of customization for characters was sorely outdone by our "old" game.

So to me, I think we have plenty of life in this old gal, and as someone else pointed out, its vastly different from when I started in 2004 (I think I got a bit misty when we got color customization..).

I would like to see them do more work on AE as its such a unique gem across all other games presently; sometimes the devs seem to have ADD and jump from one thing to the next; would be great to spend time on things which continue to differentiate it from the pack.

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Originally Posted by Lycantropus Exactly this, in the final analysis. This is, by far, not perfect, but it's not a wounded gazelle on the Serengeti some folks would like to think. It's alive and well and enjoyed by a fair market share in the MMO industry... especially within its niche. It's better than a lot of the current competition, and suggesting they scrap what they have and start over is just silly in this age of instant gratification/condemnation upon anything 'new'. Much less, a sequel. Barter for a new engine if you like, or a system you don't currently care for. I would wager such things will fall upons more interested ears than wanting a sequel to this game. I fully admit, I could be wrong, but I wouldn't speak as confidently as I do if I didn't feel otherwise.

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If I were going to try to implement the ability to lift and utilize in violent fashion arbitrary world objects like...say...cars...in City, I would probably start with a new 'mez' type: Lift.

Objects (which are also a kind of ersatz Mob) would have Lift protection, and powers would have Lift. You could, from here, implement the ability to slot for Lift either directly in any power with Lift or through an addition to, say, Fitness.

If you use Lift on something and exceed it's Lift protection, you inherit a temporary power based on the object lifted. Generally something like 'Throw Car', 'Swing Lamppost', what have you, but you might close out access to some of your other powers because you're busy swinging heavy objects at people.

Since objects are functionally mobs, one can extend this concept to Lifting, say, Hellions and throwing them around, which veers into some amusing territory. If Lifted objects/mobs can still be targeted and interacted with otherwise normally, then there are some interesting permutations to be explored with Lift as a kind of high tradeoff Mez: Your Super Strength Tank with a bunch of Lift slotting might be able to pin Doctor Vahzilok for a few seconds while everyone else beats on him, but you're otherwise just standing there with a bag of angry mad scientist over your head, possibly still beating on /you/ because it can't get at anyone else.

There's also the question of what powers should be /able/ to execute Lifts and under what circumstances. You wouldn't want to put it on all of Super Strength, or even necessarily much of it because you'd wind up Lifting everything every time you went to do anything.

There's a temptation to put Lift on Brawl, but that does strange things to Brawls current utility.

Alternatively, of course, returning to the expanded pool powers, one could simply drop a 'Lift' power into whatever Pool was used to gate Lift.

Either way, there's a staggering amount of legwork involved in implementing something like this (making sure every object has appropriate Lift states/grant powers, etc. if it can be Lifted, requisite art and animation resources, et cetera, et cetera ad nauseam), even assuming it is overall desirable to do so. Never mind the problems of balance and potential mad recursion (...a Player Lifting a Player Lifting a Mob in a PvP zone, for instance, or the whole question of how to handle Lifting players at all, because a Player Lifting a Mob Lifting a Player...), or clashes with existing Repel/Knock functionality (perhaps it could be executed as an extension of those?).

It's an amusing thought experiment anyway, though I'll stop here to suggest that it might be getting a bit far from the discussion at hand.

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I'd say we're CoH 3.15, assuming every issue is a 0.1 patch. 21.5 patches since release (1) is 3.15.

I would like to think a major update liike a "2.0" would be the reason our current issue releases take so long to come out, as resources would be devoted to releasing the big update, but I am not an optimistic person.

Was the addition of Ultra Mode merely a rendering engine enhancement or a bonafide upgrade? I'm just thinking back to when Mythic and CCP updated their respective games' engines.

To the OP:

No.

Man after reading this, I'd pay ALOT to have a RTS version of city. I've put in so many hours into C&C ever since the first one came out it ridiculous.

Make extreme engine updates.. he.. replace the whole engine but let it work with our current character data and give it as an updat. No need to make a whole different game as ina new box etc.

It would make people leave.. again seperate the players (this time over v1 and v2)... and it could very well destroy the game.

It is an mmo with an update system. Update the engine.. leave the character information!

btw... is it that time already!? I swear we have this discussion several times a year! And I give the same response every time too.