Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 1/3/12


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I'm sure NCSoft thanks you for frivilously giving them your money/Paragon points. We hope you continue to support their five minutes of work each week to create overpriced, re-skinned and rehashed items sold on the Paragon Market.

I mean why do people just blindly buy this stuff?
This thing actually was created based on player feedback (people suggesting different themes in the rocket board beta thread), so there's guaranteed to be a good number of people buying it.

I'm personally not buying it for 2 reasons:

1. I simply don't have a character it fits with conceptually.
2. The price is simply to high to get it just as a bit of fun. (I would basically be using it as a glorified emote.)

I didn't get the rocket board for the same reasons. (The reduced rocket board price is still to high for an impulse buy i.m.o.)

That said I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more of these (at a lower price) in time. Eventually there should be one I might actually have a use for.


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I already have the rocket board, having bought it upon its release.
Yep. The cost seemed reasonable for the convenience it would offer to new characters or characters who never take a 'real travel power'.


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So when you, Paragon Studios, go to sell a brand new Travel Power, you put another one that has identical stats up for sale.
And that's why I won't be buying this one. I already have the convenience of a travel power across all characters. Therefore, this one adds nothing except 'pretty'.


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But the idea of treating the rocket board as the base power and purchasing new "skins" is an interesting one. Would people be more accepting if they had to pay an additional $1-2 for a new skin for the existing power?
Oh, hell yes!


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I mean why do people just blindly buy this stuff?
Really kind of a stupid question. Firstly, they know what it looks like, how it works and how much it costs, so there's nothing "blind" about the decision. As for the 'why', DUR! They want it. Seriously, why do people buy ANYTHING? Okay, so they have good reason to buy food, clothing, shelter. But why buy this shirt instead of that one? Why buy music? Why buy flowers? Why buy art? Or, most applicable, why buy GAMES? Because they expect to derive enjoyment from whatever they are purchasing.


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I can finally buy the rocket board now that it's on sale. I'll buy the carpet too... when it goes on sale.


 

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Originally Posted by Fluorescent View Post
I'm sure NCSoft thanks you for frivilously giving them your money/Paragon points. We hope you continue to support their five minutes of work each week to create overpriced, re-skinned and rehashed items sold on the Paragon Market.

I mean why do people just blindly buy this stuff?
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I don't have enough characters who could fit either of these items (carpet or rocket board) into their concept to make them worthwhile even at the 450-point sale price.

If I could buy a power like this for 600 points that I could change from character-to-character to a carpet, a rocket board, a broom, a jet pack, etc., I'd jump at it because then I could use it on enough characters to make it worth the price to me.
I was hoping that the Magic Carpet would be an optional "skin" for the Rocket Board power. You'd still need to have bought the Rocket Board initially to buy the FC skin. Or if you didn't you could buy the FC for full price and then buy the RB skin at a reduced "skin price".

But instead, it seems that Paragon Studios is going to make you pay for what is essentially the same thing twice (or likely more), just with some cosmetic changes.

Now that I see how things are seemingly going to work, I don't know if I'll buy the [Wolf] non-combat pet that will likely be coming, since the German Shepard pet is already here. It won't be a new skin for the GS pet but an entirely new power.

Which sucks.

I have 1 character that the Wolf Pet would be awesome for but it wouldn't make much sense with any of my other characters. The GS may work with several other characters, but I haven't bought it yet because I want the Wolf more. And since the GS pet would probably see more use than the Wolf pet, I'd prefer to just have skins that I could change for individual characters. Give my character that could use the Wolf pet that choice and then maybe start using the GS pet on other characters.

Basically, the Wolf pet isn't going to be worth it for one character and the German Shepard pet, while nice, would probably just not get used much. But if it were a stepping stone of sorts to getting the Wolf pet, I'd buy it just so I could get the Wolf skin cheaper.

Buy the base power, then purchase new skins as they come out, if I want them, and then change at the tailor.

Maybe that's the problem. Perhaps there is no way to get these powers recognized by the tailor as "simple skins" and need to be different powers. If that's the case, I understand.

However, it doesn't change the fact that what are simply cosmetic changes are being sold at full price.

And as a result, I probably won't be buying any of these now.


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looks awesome and im rather glad I got it,

I think the skin idea mentioned by others is really good and would be just as happy buying new skins for the rocket board then having to buy a new vanity travel power each time .


 

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Originally Posted by Fluorescent View Post
I'm sure NCSoft thanks you for frivilously giving them your money/Paragon points. We hope you continue to support their five minutes of work each week to create overpriced, re-skinned and rehashed items sold on the Paragon Market.

I mean why do people just blindly buy this stuff?
cry m0ar plz, kthnx bai

on another note, while cool looking, won't waste points on it just so it can sit in my powers window like rocket board...


 

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I think the skin idea mentioned by others is really good and would be just as happy buying new skins for the rocket board then having to buy a new vanity travel power each time .
The big question for me is how much of the cost of these powers is bundled up in the new animation and art needed for them. If minus profit the art/animation is the primary expense for the power then I kind of doubt we'll see skins for them on the market any time soon, or at least not on the market with any significant discount. Personally I kind of think that's the case. Well for these travel powers at least.


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Take a magic carpet ride with this week's featured items at the Paragon Market™!

Flying Carpet Travel Power - New!


Activate this Persian-type carpet with its own golden magic lantern and soar across the skies! All characters in your account can access this fantastic power. It's usable at Level 4.

Market Location: Powers > Permanent Powers > Travel
600 Paragon Points
Make it 400 points for a permanent, account wide Jingle Jet and I'll buy it the second I log into the game. For the "vanity" travel powers? Get real.

The Jingle Jet allows players to keep their powers. Heck, even the LKT-1700 Rocket Pack allows people to be in combat with it.

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For reference:
Jingle Jet


LKT-1700 Rocket Pack


Heck, I wouldn't even mind a permanent Raptor Pack


Or a permanent Goldbricker Pack




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Make it 400 points for a permanent, account wide Jingle Jet and I'll buy it the second I log into the game. For the "vanity" travel powers? Get real
THIS.

The Jingle Jet is one of my favourite things in this game.




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Make it 400 points for a permanent, account wide Jingle Jet and I'll buy it the second I log into the game. For the "vanity" travel powers? Get real.

The Jingle Jet allows players to keep their powers. Heck, even the LKT-1700 Rocket Pack allows people to be in combat with it.
ooOooOohhhh is that the rocklet pack that you get as a bank mission in KR? the one with wings? cuz THAT... i would pay for.

all i ever wanted was tech wings that dont flap, are aerodynamic, appear and disappear after use [a folding/retracting animation would be cool but not neccessary]. if it were fast, like the hoverboard and now carpet...

that would be perfect. and i'd still be able to attack cuz basically it would just be fly with a backpack. none of this fixed-pose affect self business. bonus - it's already in game. jump pack, meh boring. but the flying jetpack was always a favorite. and since the sewer trial removed the need or desire for hollows and KR for me at least... [:/] i'd completely forgotten about this temp power.

that i would buy. if it were unchanged except made faster and permanent. also want: the goldbricker's backpack - which would also not need to be an affect-self power.

thanks

:edit: RAPTOR pack, that's what its called. :P


 

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I gotta say, it looks awesome.

I still cannot find a use, however, for travel powers that detoggle entirely rather than just surpress toggles. I know the tech isn't there to allow combat on the magic carpet, but supression would be immensely better than retoggling for 20 seconds after each use (if it's possible). If such a change were to occur, I could see myself picking up both the vanity travel powers.
Agreed - same goes for the Coyote travel power that's incoming.


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well i was waiting for carpet for my magic based chars,but 600 is too high, I did buy the RB a while ago,for 450.more stuff like this will drive more players to a galaxy far far away.


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The fireworks are... well.... what would we use them for? They'd be good for the 4th of July or special occasions, but New Year's is over.
Which is why they were released last week. They're on the Featured Items list because the pack disappears on Jan 31, not because they've never been in the store before...


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ooOooOohhhh is that the rocklet pack that you get as a bank mission in KR? the one with wings? cuz THAT... i would pay for.

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:edit: RAPTOR pack, that's what its called. :P
The Jingle Jet is the white, red, and green, sparkle-trailing jetpack you get during the Xmas event.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Holiday_Rocket_Pack


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But the idea of treating the rocket board as the base power and purchasing new "skins" is an interesting one. Would people be more accepting if they had to pay an additional $1-2 for a new skin for the existing power?
In a heartbeat. I'm not spending $7.50 each for multiple powers that do exactly the same thing. I would buy many, many skins for a buck after the initial $7.50 purchase. When they first announced the Rocket Board, that's what players were clamoring for - skins for the Rocket Board.

What the players wanted was the Rocket Board to be customizable to look different. What Paragon Studios took back was that players wanted multiple powers that act like the Rocket Board.

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The big question for me is how much of the cost of these powers is bundled up in the new animation and art needed for them. If minus profit the art/animation is the primary expense for the power then I kind of doubt we'll see skins for them on the market any time soon, or at least not on the market with any significant discount. Personally I kind of think that's the case. Well for these travel powers at least.
After creating the Rocket Board, the only thing needed for new skins (since they all use the same mechanics and stance and everything) is the art. Which is fairly quick for such a small item, especially since it doesn't have to interact with anything.


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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is there any way you can give us an option, or additional power without the lantern? What is the purpose of this? I am not crazy about the lantern, and it bugs me just enough to sway me from "I dont need this power but it looks cool" to "I dont really need this power, and the lantern looks dumb". I know that is pretty tough criticism, and as an artist, I deeply apologize for that. But no one ever improved because someone was being nice to them. Tough love FTW!



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Just chiming in here, echoing a few of the others.

I purchased the Rocket Board at full price because it looked cool. Completely detoggling sucked; but, it was still useful at lower levels to get around fast. Now with the Flying Carpet, we get the same exact thing, effects-wise, as the Rocket Board.

A separate skin would have been much preferred, at a discounted price. Or barring that, have the Market check your account to see if you already possess a Rocket Board and give the Carpet to you at a discount.

I really like the look of the Carpet, and I will purchase it. Just not now. Which is sad because I have many more magic-themed characters who would really look snazzy with it. Kudos to the team for developing it; but, I wish you could have thrown us Rocket Boarder's a bone.

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How exactly do you guys expect them to make a skin for something that can't yet be customized? Dunno bout you but I'm not seeing alt animations for anything that's a temp/pool/inherent power like Beast Run, Ninjarun, any of the epic pools, etc. Otherwise, you know, we might see stuff in the tailor to customize all that. So the more likely answer is probably "The tech doesn't work like that right now". -Could- it be a skin? Probably, but if that tech were in the game they'd have applied it to a lot more. But it's not, and please don't assume 'it would be simple' unless you're actually a programmer that's worked on the game code so you know exactly how easy/hard such a thing would be. Because otherwise, you don't know and are just assuming.

As it is, quit kvetching. If you don't want to buy it, then don't. If it doesn't fit your concepts, it wasn't meant for you. I don't think paragon was really intending people to buy both based on functionality. People that prefer more techy stuff have the rocket board, people that prefer more magic stuff have the carpet. There's likely a crossover population but it's likely slimmer than either on their own. Someone will buy it, if it isn't you, then don't worry on it. And you know no one is forcing you to get both or either for that matter, the game has plenty of viable free travel powers.


 

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As it is, quit kvetching.
It's not kvetching. It's feedback. The only way Paragon will get feedback is if people voice their opinions. Even though lately the players' opinions seem to matter less and less, there *are* instances that things get changed (or completely removed) based on feedback.


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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After creating the Rocket Board, the only thing needed for new skins (since they all use the same mechanics and stance and everything) is the art. Which is fairly quick for such a small item, especially since it doesn't have to interact with anything.
New art is still new art unfortunately. Quick or not I'm not really sure how much it's 'worth'. Also are the preview pictures wrong because the stance the character's using in them is not the same stance my character's use with the Rocket Board in game.

Personally I figure it was about the same amount of 'work' to create the Magic Carpet as it was to create the Rocket Board. A lot of the mechanics for both existed previously and in both cases probably used mostly art and animation resources. If I'm right and it was largely the same amount of 'work' for the developers I'm not sure why it's deserving of a significantly reduced price-point. It'd certainly be nice if it was cheaper, but I don't really know why it specifically 'should' be (aside from 600 points being a little high for a travel power in general).


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Agree with those expressing their belief that they've gotten carried away with charging us points that as subscribers we either earn by "waiting" or for the impatient (which they're counting on) go drop some cash to get more and buy the things we like. This is really what it boils down to. Overpriced vanity pets, travel powers, emotes and yep, my personal favorite, full blown powersets. Things we used to get as soon as they were released we now have to sit around for and save up points or pay out of pocket on top of the subscription fee to just to utilize it asap. This is a big turn off for me and many others.

I'm bummed out about that really. Was so awesome when a new powerset came out you just...well.... got it. Hell, it was worth buying the booster packs for the new costume items & emotes when those were all the rage. Seems like a distant memory already. Had to vent about this somewhere and this thread seemed like the perfect place. Yes, I'm bitter because I didn't have enough points to buy Titan Weapons after the big spending spree getting all the other new things since the last issue dropped. Seeing all these new items like the fireworks and the flying carpet now just adds to my frustration.

My point to all this is, paying customers shouldn't have to buy powersets off the market. Emotes yes, vanity items yes, different costume/weapon pieces are fine (all be it at lower point prices). Not powersets though. I could see paying the current prices if you were a f2p account. Charging 600pts for a vanity dog.....800pts for a powerset....400pts for individual pieces of whatever the new items cost all while waiting each month to get just 400pts per month is frankly sad. lol, well you get the idea. We are loyal fans of the game but a good thing to keep in mind is not to bite the hand that feeds you.


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I agree the nickel and dimeing us as paying subs is getting a bit old. I understand they are in the business to make money, but knowing what has been on our want/wishlist for years,then charging us for them is a bummer.

tin foil hat on

of course it could be that there is things happening in the background they could not be telling us,like the subs are declining and this is a way for keeping the servers up. It reminds me when McDonalds was having trouble and they boosted their sales by creating more on the 99 cent menu. It is a good SHORT term fix but not a very good long term one.

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How exactly do you guys expect them to make a skin for something that can't yet be customized?
Buying a 'skin' gives the player a new toggle power which is mutually exclusive with others in the group, in exactly the same way as the Prestige Power Sprints work?


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Agree with those expressing their belief that they've gotten carried away with charging us points that as subscribers we either earn by "waiting" or for the impatient (which they're counting on) go drop some cash to get more and buy the things we like. This is really what it boils down to. Overpriced vanity pets, travel powers, emotes and yep, my personal favorite, full blown powersets. Things we used to get as soon as they were released we now have to sit around for and save up points or pay out of pocket on top of the subscription fee to just to utilize it asap. This is a big turn off for me and many others.

I'm bummed out about that really. Was so awesome when a new powerset came out you just...well.... got it. Hell, it was worth buying the booster packs for the new costume items & emotes when those were all the rage. Seems like a distant memory already. Had to vent about this somewhere and this thread seemed like the perfect place. Yes, I'm bitter because I didn't have enough points to buy Titan Weapons after the big spending spree getting all the other new things since the last issue dropped. Seeing all these new items like the fireworks and the flying carpet now just adds to my frustration.

My point to all this is, paying customers shouldn't have to buy powersets off the market. Emotes yes, vanity items yes, different costume/weapon pieces are fine (all be it at lower point prices). Not powersets though. I could see paying the current prices if you were a f2p account. Charging 600pts for a vanity dog.....800pts for a powerset....400pts for individual pieces of whatever the new items cost all while waiting each month to get just 400pts per month is frankly sad. lol, well you get the idea. We are loyal fans of the game but a good thing to keep in mind is not to bite the hand that feeds you.
we've bought power sets on two different occasions, warranted they came w/ paid expansions, but we still bought them.