Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 1/3/12
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Posted on: 2012-01-03 10:40 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I'd rather have all those things as costume piece backpacks that animate while flying (like the rocket boots).
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Make it 400 points for a permanent, account wide Jingle Jet and I'll buy it the second I log into the game. For the "vanity" travel powers? Get real.
The Jingle Jet allows players to keep their powers. Heck, even the LKT-1700 Rocket Pack allows people to be in combat with it. Edit: For reference: *snipped pictures* |
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning, Electric Control and Kinetic Melee were all part of Going Rogue.|
Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Shield Defense, Pain Domination, Villain Epic Archetypes, Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning, Electric Control, Kinetic Melee, a plethora of power proliferation and only two of those powersets on that list came because of an expansion.
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By my calculations, if you didn't spend your stipends on fluff items/things that would have been booster-worthy or things which didn't exist before (extra inventory slots/costumes/etc), then you should have roughly enough points to purchase all three actual powersets. If you think we should get the power sets free, I don't think we should get a stipend.
I don't think re-skin is possible given Rocketboard stance isn't the same as the magic carpet.
I am very happy with the Paragon market up to this point! On the side topic of powers and having to buy them...I really don't care for the new power sets released all that much. For powersets that are newly released they are too gimmicky. At least with Dual Blades that came free from an issue. :P
I am not spending 800 points on gimmicky power sets.
well...
we paid 15$ for that
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today COX is free, so we pay 15$ for that
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Nothing logical in paying the same amount for less, so there was the great idea of stipend..
But then they decided that New ATs are part of COX... the free portion of our game... but at the same moment they had a great idea, make it a non free portion of the free part...
So... we are no more paying for it, and it must be bought... hourra... paying players are owned. We have to pay for something we've already paid for... but before... not today.
In my mind, if new AT are not free, they are not part of the free COX game, and then they are part of the paid "options" (Like Controlers, veat, etc...)... making them neither free nor paid... is just... hum... a pain in the a.. but more money for NCs... this is bad.
why the hell in NCS minds the game becoming free meant more to pay for us... it's absurd.
Do your money with premium players, not us VIP!
and if you think that the stipend is here to buy those AT, then this means that there is no compensation for the game becoming free, and then it means that the game became more expensive (less paid content for the same amount of money)... So the conclusion is the same... VIP have to pay more, for the same game, because it is free now.
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Aside from the fact that FOUR, not two, of the power sets on your list came with the expansion, did you also stop to see how much time there was in between those power set releases? |
Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Your joking right DJ? I've only ever had to spend either A: Points or B: Money on three powersets since I started in '06. Can you guess which ones? Yep, Street Justice, Beam Rifle & Titan Weapons. All of which dropped when the game went F2P and the Paragon Market started. Shield Defense, Pain Domination, Villain Epic Archetypes, Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning, Electric Control, Kinetic Melee, a plethora of power proliferation and only two of those powersets on that list came because of an expansion. Just the second paid expansion in the game's 7+ year history to which their desire to charge for new powers was completely justified.
So while yes, you're correct that we've paid for powersets before. Do you see how skewed the reasons for buying those sets are today with the current system? I mean yes they could just as easily have said to hell with us and charged money for every new thing that they released from the very beginning. They haven't and for that I'm very thankful. All I'm saying is they've tweaked what we are used to receiving from them and not for the better. As subscribers our powersets should be free as they have been. Certain releases should be free as they have been or are we now at the point where all we're really paying for is not having to buy content updates. |
I'm going to disregard everything from CoV release and before.
On november 28 2007 Issue 11 gave us Dual Blades and Willpower.
123 days later, on may 20 2008 Issue 12 gave us the first round of Powerset Proliferation and VEATs.
174 days later, on december 2 2008 Issue 13 gave us Pain Domination and Shield Defense.
287 days later, on september 15 2009 Issue 16 gave us the second round of Powerset Proliferation.
335 days later, on august 16 2010 Going Rogue gave us 4 sets: Demon summoning, Dual Pistols, Kinetic Melee, Electric Control.
393 days later, on september 13 2011 Issue 21 gave us the third round of Powerset Proliferation and Time manipulation.
Then, starting on that september 13 Freedom gave us a spread of pay-for powersets over the course of a few months.
The evidence shows that we're still getting as much powersets for free through issues now as before Freedom. We're just getting a bunch of pay-for sets on top of that. If in another 200 or so days we still haven't gotten new free powersets, THEN you can complain about the free stuff slowing down because they want to make us pay for everything. But with the whole dark control'n stuff coming down the line chances are good they'll easily make that deadline.
Another thing to keep in mind is that all the pay-for sets were created specifically for Freedom and the Paragon Market. Those weren't sets they had laying around and suddenly decided to put up for sale. Their development time was budgeted against their sale bringing in money. If Freedom hadn't happened, chances are good those powersets wouldn't have happened either.
@True Metal
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So agree on this. I bought it anyhow so I can have it with my genie character but would MUCH rather see a sitting position. It looks so awkward with that standing pose.
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Originally Posted by Balanced
The carpet really ought to have a tiny Group Fly aura, if only so you can fly under a ledge and let someone jump onto it with you. There's room for more than one on that thing.
Also, I'm disappointed with the flight pose on it. I'd prefer a lotus pose, but "lounging" or "crouched" might also be better than the standing pose. At least it's not carpet surfing, I suppose. |
I have Jin that would have loved to take a seat while riding his magic carpet. Since he has to stand, he and his companions shall pass.
It looks good though.
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well... while Devs do new AT, they don t do other things... and we pay them to do things... so i don t see your point.
Do they pay new Devs to do new AT?
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Well, in October, NCSoft did get hit with a $28 million judgement against them.
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
I agree the nickel and dimeing us as paying subs is getting a bit old. I understand they are in the business to make money, but knowing what has been on our want/wishlist for years,then charging us for them is a bummer.
tin foil hat on of course it could be that there is things happening in the background they could not be telling us,like the subs are declining and this is a way for keeping the servers up. It reminds me when McDonalds was having trouble and they boosted their sales by creating more on the 99 cent menu. It is a good SHORT term fix but not a very good long term one. tin foil hat off |
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Actually no, it had never occurred to me to research the amount of time in between releases. Reason being is it quite simply makes no difference as we are paying for a service and the content of that service. You also mentioned two other sets that slipped my mind in Dual Blades and Willpower that further illustrate my point of view. Thank you. I'll concede to you that it was 4 powersets as part of Going Rogue and not 2. Regardless and once again it makes no difference. Your evidence is still lacking sherlock |
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Aside from the fact that FOUR, not two, of the power sets on your list came with the expansion, did you also stop to see how much time there was in between those power set releases?
I'm going to disregard everything from CoV release and before. On november 28 2007 Issue 11 gave us Dual Blades and Willpower. 123 days later, on may 20 2008 Issue 12 gave us the first round of Powerset Proliferation and VEATs. 174 days later, on december 2 2008 Issue 13 gave us Pain Domination and Shield Defense. 287 days later, on september 15 2009 Issue 16 gave us the second round of Powerset Proliferation. 335 days later, on august 16 2010 Going Rogue gave us 4 sets: Demon summoning, Dual Pistols, Kinetic Melee, Electric Control. 393 days later, on september 13 2011 Issue 21 gave us the third round of Powerset Proliferation and Time manipulation. Then, starting on that september 13 Freedom gave us a spread of pay-for powersets over the course of a few months. The evidence shows that we're still getting as much powersets for free through issues now as before Freedom. We're just getting a bunch of pay-for sets on top of that. If in another 200 or so days we still haven't gotten new free powersets, THEN you can complain about the free stuff slowing down because they want to make us pay for everything. But with the whole dark control'n stuff coming down the line chances are good they'll easily make that deadline. Another thing to keep in mind is that all the pay-for sets were created specifically for Freedom and the Paragon Market. Those weren't sets they had laying around and suddenly decided to put up for sale. Their development time was budgeted against their sale bringing in money. If Freedom hadn't happened, chances are good those powersets wouldn't have happened either. |
and my original point still stands.Street Justice, Time Manipulation (which I had completely forgotten), Beam Rifle, Titan Weapon are all *NEW* powersets with *NEW* animations and FX and all of them were put on the market for both f2p and VIP members to purchase (Both F2P and VIP to purchase should never be in the same sentence since one is paying a monthly fee and the other isn't). Quarter Staff when it's released will be the same. I do not believe that had there not been the design and release of Freedom we would have never gotten any of these powersets. I would sure as hell hope that they would have continued to design for the game as they had been. adding new content, powers and whatnot otherwise we as subscribers would have just been wasting our money.
Either way there will be those of us that feel they're getting everything they're paying for and then those of us that feel like our money is being wasted. If a subscription fee just gives me the right to log in and play, access to a couple ATs that F2Pers can't play and a few perks like monthly points and paragon rewards but I still have to spend extra money on vanity items and powersets because the stipends don't cover it until you wait and let them pile up all the while new things are coming out....yeah. Anyway, I've expressed my concerns about the issue now. That's all I wanted to do.
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Time Manipulation was/is free for VIPs. And has been mentioned, you'll be getting the new Dark Control set included in your subscription fee as well. Further rounds of Powerset Proliferation will continue to be free for ALL players.|
Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Street Justice, Time Manipulation (which I had completely forgotten), Beam Rifle, Titan Weapon are all *NEW* powersets with *NEW* animations and FX and all of them were put on the market for both f2p and VIP members to purchase (Both F2P and VIP to purchase should never be in the same sentence since one is paying a monthly fee and the other isn't).
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If they release a "free" VIP powerset and 3-4 paid powersets during each issue, or even every other issue, we're still doing better than we were pre-Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Make it 400 points for a permanent, account wide Jingle Jet and I'll buy it the second I log into the game. For the "vanity" travel powers? Get real.
The Jingle Jet allows players to keep their powers. Heck, even the LKT-1700 Rocket Pack allows people to be in combat with it. Edit: For reference: Jingle Jet  LKT-1700 Rocket Pack  Heck, I wouldn't even mind a permanent Raptor Pack  Or a permanent Goldbricker Pack  |
Preferably a 'jet pack' pack, 400 points and get all jet packs in game permanent (can't use em all at once anyways and they are already in game so no resources to create). i have a few toons that these work on thematically rather than the other travel powers in game.
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If you're is point that we're getting less than we used too for our subscription. That we're getting less service and content of that service for the same cost. Then that's factually false. You're point has nothing to stand on.|
Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Actually no, it had never occurred to me to research the amount of time in between releases. Reason being is it quite simply makes no difference as we are paying for a service and the content of that service. You also mentioned two other sets that slipped my mind in Dual Blades and Willpower that further illustrate my point of view. Thank you. I'll concede to you that it was 4 powersets as part of Going Rogue and not 2. Regardless and once again it makes no difference. Your evidence is still lacking sherlock
and my original point still stands. |
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| Street Justice, Time Manipulation (which I had completely forgotten), Beam Rifle, Titan Weapon are all *NEW* powersets with *NEW* animations and FX and all of them were put on the market for both f2p and VIP members to purchase (Both F2P and VIP to purchase should never be in the same sentence since one is paying a monthly fee and the other isn't). Quarter Staff when it's released will be the same. I do not believe that had there not been the design and release of Freedom we would have never gotten any of these powersets. I would sure as hell hope that they would have continued to design for the game as they had been. adding new content, powers and whatnot otherwise we as subscribers would have just been wasting our money. |
Yes, they would've kept designing for the game as they had been. Which means 1-2 new powersets every 300 days or so, and maybe another round and a half of Powerset Proliferation a couple of issues from now (that can only go so far before it's depleted). NOT 4 new powersets (1 free, 3 pay-for) in 4 months as we have had now. That is something that never would've happened if the game hadn't gone F2P.
That is my point.
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| Either way there will be those of us that feel they're getting everything they're paying for and then those of us that feel like our money is being wasted. If a subscription fee just gives me the right to log in and play, access to a couple ATs that F2Pers can't play and a few perks like monthly points and paragon rewards but I still have to spend extra money on vanity items and powersets because the stipends don't cover it until you wait and let them pile up all the while new things are coming out....yeah. Anyway, I've expressed my concerns about the issue now. That's all I wanted to do. |
, ... Issue 22 is shaping to be pretty decent too. All the extra stuff they've been releasing on the Paragon market, are exactly that: extras. They're made specifically for the market with the expectation that they will be worth the investment of resources in the money they'll make.
@True Metal
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Originally Posted by OmegaS
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Preferably a 'jet pack' pack, 400 points and get all jet packs in game permanent (can't use em all at once anyways and they are already in game so no resources to create). i have a few toons that these work on thematically rather than the other travel powers in game. |
I dig the rocket board but the total de-toggling is terrible. It doesn't make sense that as I get new powers (ie toggles), my chosen travel power (for convenience or concept) becomes a nuisance and is usually discarded. At least with Ninja Run and Beast Run, it doesn't de-toggle EVERYTHING.
Please change these new very cool travel powers.
Otherwise, I am forced to boycott all of the future installments out of principle.
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If they were just animation costumes for flight, I'd agree with a "jet pack" pack being 400 points. As full on travel powers, I'd have to say that they would likely have to sell them individually.
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Originally Posted by OmegaS
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Preferably a 'jet pack' pack, 400 points and get all jet packs in game permanent (can't use em all at once anyways and they are already in game so no resources to create). i have a few toons that these work on thematically rather than the other travel powers in game. |
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Actually, it makes huge difference - we're getting power sets and costume parts way faster than ever before - the development cost of that increase has to be covered - we're still getting regular free Issues with free powsets, zones, story arcs and QoL changes - what we're paying extra for are the extra releases between Isuses.
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Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Actually no, it had never occurred to me to research the amount of time in between releases. Reason being is it quite simply makes no difference as we are paying for a service and the content of that service.
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Clearly Paragon needs to have ALL travel powers de-toggle. Then, this is no longer an issue.|
Originally Posted by Super Flu
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I dig the rocket board but the total de-toggling is terrible. It doesn't make sense that as I get new powers (ie toggles), my chosen travel power (for convenience or concept) becomes a nuisance and is usually discarded. At least with Ninja Run and Beast Run, it doesn't de-toggle EVERYTHING. Please change these new very cool travel powers. Otherwise, I am forced to boycott all of the future installments out of principle. |
Going to petition for this to happen RIGHT NOW.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, it makes huge difference - we're getting power sets and costume parts way faster than ever before - the development cost of that increase has to be covered - we're still getting regular free Issues with free powsets, zones, story arcs and QoL changes - what we're paying extra for are the extra releases between Isuses.
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Ok, just to clear some things up. I never said anything about us as players getting "less" then we were before Freedom. Those of you stating we are getting more are absolutely correct and I agree with you 100%. Also I'm well aware that Time Manipulation was free. In hindsight it wasn't in the context I had intended and just got thrown into a lump with powers that were purchasable. I meant to use it as an example FOR the powers we have been getting for free. Jumbled my thoughts there it appears, so much for proof reading lol. When you're passionate about something, keeping everything on track is a chore =P
Look, my biggest gripe is that if you're going to give VIP players a stipend of 400pts a month then charge us to buy new, somehow "extra", powersets on the market those items shouldn't cost two months worth of points to buy. A powerset should be 400pts instead of 800pts. From my POV powersets to City of Heroes should never ever be considered "extra". They define the game. It's one of the primary reasons we play new toons and even bother with them. Experiencing new powersets is the driving force behind sustaining any superhero MMO.
Some of my biggest detractors won't ever be on the same page as me or see the game the way I see it. I love this game. I've been a subscriber for nearly 6 years with no interruption even while playing other games. Why? because I've always felt the game was worth keeping my subscription. I met my life partner in CoH another huge reason why I love this game. Don't paint me as a troll or a hater. I was voicing an opinion that powersets, whether free and designed for a new issue or this so called *extra* and designed for the current market, should be free. Not some of them, ALL of them. Because powersets are one of, if not THE backbone to why most if not all of us play this game.
I'm not up here trying to assault your way of life. If anything wouldn't getting all the new powersets for free as a subscriber be better then getting some for free and others on either a schedule or an extra burst payment that is not part of your subscription? When Freedom was coming out I envisioned the F2Pers as the only ones who got a pay as you go model to pick and choose what they want to buy off the Paragon Market. Not once did the thought occur to me that VIPs would need to do the same. Shame on me I guess.
Some of you are always going to be happy with the game no matter what. Even though they've given us so MUCH compared to what was previously in the game there are always going to be those of us picturing more. Bigger and better powers, bigger and better content and bigger and better ideas as to how these should be implemented into the game. That doesn't make either side right or wrong, it just leaves the content and those of us still pushing the Devs for more.
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I can get behind that argument. If the stipend is 400 points and the powerset costs 2x of the stipend, that means a VIP has to wait 2 months to obtain a power set. I think waiting one month is reasonable enough. :P
I fall on both sides of the fence here i think.
I dig all of the extra stuff. I like being able to "buy" things that are new and other QOL things that were never available to us before....like extra slots for enhancements, storage, recipes, etc....I dig this. I also like that I can "catch up" on Vet rewards (so to speak). I've been here since the beginning but had to take a hiatus and it has irked me that I could never catch up with the vets (loved those vets).
What bothers me about Freedom is that I didn't realize that I would be spending more money on this game than the monthly subscription. I understand I do not have to but I just am....and it didn't seem like we were when it was originally described.
I also have an issue with both the pricing of things as well as the inability to test items first. OR at least have a precise description of the power or costume pieces or whatever prior to buying. And for Pete's sake, I'd love to have all of things I already bought somehow "checked" as already owned.
For some reason, I do not remember the warning on the rocket board about the untoggling......but then again....I must have just assumed it wouldn't be so bad or was blinded by the shiny new board.
i think the carpet is really cool, but as others have mentioned i dont see a point in buying it yet if its another power thats identical to the rocket board
IMO this is the same thing about vanity pets, if they all do absolutely nothing then i dont care what they look like cause they are all the same to me and hence i refuse to buy any of them
i d'like to know if new devloppers were hired with the launch of COH freedom please?
(because if we pay the same guys to do the same things at the same price during the same time than before freedom... why the results of their job would cost more money to us who pay their monthly salary... we already pay them to work and give us game content)
Your joking right DJ? I've only ever had to spend either A: Points or B: Money on three powersets since I started in '06. Can you guess which ones? Yep, Street Justice, Beam Rifle & Titan Weapons. All of which dropped when the game went F2P and the Paragon Market started. Shield Defense, Pain Domination, Villain Epic Archetypes, Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning, Electric Control, Kinetic Melee, a plethora of power proliferation and only two of those powersets on that list came because of an expansion. Just the second paid expansion in the game's 7+ year history to which their desire to charge for new powers was completely justified.
So while yes, you're correct that we've paid for powersets before. Do you see how skewed the reasons for buying those sets are today with the current system? I mean yes they could just as easily have said to hell with us and charged money for every new thing that they released from the very beginning. They haven't and for that I'm very thankful. All I'm saying is they've tweaked what we are used to receiving from them and not for the better. As subscribers our powersets should be free as they have been. Certain releases should be free as they have been or are we now at the point where all we're really paying for is not having to buy content updates.
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