Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 1/3/12
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Posted on: 2012-01-03 10:40 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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The thing is, though, this *is* just your point of view. For you, powersets are a most important part of the game, and so of course they should be free. Someone else might not care at all about powersets, and see costumes as the central part of CoX. You're willing to pay for costumes, but not for powersets. They think that costumes should all be free, but would pay for powersets.|
Originally Posted by Tyranny_NA
Look, my biggest gripe is that if you're going to give VIP players a stipend of 400pts a month then charge us to buy new, somehow "extra", powersets on the market those items shouldn't cost two months worth of points to buy. A powerset should be 400pts instead of 800pts. From my POV powersets to City of Heroes should never ever be considered "extra". They define the game.
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It's another version of the 'what should be included in Premium content' debate. If everyone gets to have what they think of as a central part of the game for free, then there's virtually nothing left that can be sold in the market and used to fund the extra development and extra releases that you acknowledge are happening.
At the end of the day, what it comes down to is, are you willing to pay extra to get more of some of the things that you feel are fundamental to the game, or do you think that they shouldn't exist for anyone to buy? Because those are the options -- more stuff that we pay for, or the lesser amount of stuff we got under the old system, for free. More stuff for free isn't really going to fly as a business model.
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this actually makes a lot of sense too.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
If they were just animation costumes for flight, I'd agree with a "jet pack" pack being 400 points. As full on travel powers, I'd have to say that they would likely have to sell them individually.
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i'd prefer to have them as Back Options. that i can have on permanently and then still there not-animating when not-flying, rocketing and flaring when i am flying.
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Costume bundles are reasonably priced though.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
The thing is, though, this *is* just your point of view. For you, powersets are a most important part of the game, and so of course they should be free. Someone else might not care at all about powersets, and see costumes as the central part of CoX. You're willing to pay for costumes, but not for powersets. They think that costumes should all be free, but would pay for powersets.
It's another version of the 'what should be included in Premium content' debate. If everyone gets to have what they think of as a central part of the game for free, then there's virtually nothing left that can be sold in the market and used to fund the extra development and extra releases that you acknowledge are happening. At the end of the day, what it comes down to is, are you willing to pay extra to get more of some of the things that you feel are fundamental to the game, or do you think that they shouldn't exist for anyone to buy? Because those are the options -- more stuff that we pay for, or the lesser amount of stuff we got under the old system, for free. More stuff for free isn't really going to fly as a business model. |
Just wanted to add my two cents in here.
No item in paragon Market should be more than 400 points. The reason is this is the allotment given to the VIP players. It would allow every VIP to get that ONE item as a bonus. It would act as a reason to move from Prem to VIP. A single free item that the player picks a Month for VIP is easy to grasp by all the player base. Also 400 points is the smallest amount you can buy at $5.
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I don't think ALL items should be 400 max, but the vast majority should be. For respec you can make an argument as to why it is 800 at least.|
Originally Posted by GPBunny
Just wanted to add my two cents in here.
No item in paragon Market should be more than 400 points. The reason is this is the allotment given to the VIP players. It would allow every VIP to get that ONE item as a bonus. It would act as a reason to move from Prem to VIP. A single free item that the player picks a Month for VIP is easy to grasp by all the player base. Also 400 points is the smallest amount you can buy at $5. |
Costume bundles go for 400, and powersets should be the same price. This way you can choose power set or costume bundle.
Right now, you have a choice of one power set vs two costume bundles. Guess which is way better bang for the buck? Costume bundles.
Those complaining about pricing, well, I haven't bought any of the items I consider 'overpriced'. Thus, I haven't purchased the Rocket Board, Magic Carpet, or German Shepard pet. These are 'extra value' items Paragon is hoping to make money off of, and a sort of luxury item. They are there to make money. If you want them and don't mind paying the price, by all means, go for it, it will help support the game. Under this new Freedom model, not everything is going to be a 'great everyday value', they are hoping the super enthusiasts will bring in more $$$ to the game, which is fine. It's a tough industry.
If the VIP subscription isn't giving the value you want, there is always Premium, which is a great value too, especially if you don't play a lot of alts and don't enjoy iTrials. Then, you can simply 'buy points' for what you want ($15 buys you 1320 points versus the meager 400 point stipend for a $15 a month VIP subscription). It's Freedom. VIP is not the best option for everybody.
But we can't expect under this new model designed to generate more revenue from each player for each item put on the market to be a 'great value', some are designed to generate extra revenue. So, buy them or don't. If the price is right, I will, otherwise, I won't. But the game is still offering me great value either way.
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Snow Globe has a guide in the Guides section on how you can determine what you've already purchased. Though yes, it would be nice if they could figure something out so you could see in the interface itself what is and is not purchased.
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Originally Posted by Super Flu
I also have an issue with both the pricing of things as well as the inability to test items first. OR at least have a precise description of the power or costume pieces or whatever prior to buying. And for Pete's sake, I'd love to have all of things I already bought somehow "checked" as already owned.
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A guide to finding out what you have unlocked from the market.|
Originally Posted by Super Flu
And for Pete's sake, I'd love to have all of things I already bought somehow "checked" as already owned.
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It sucks that we have to use that method, but it is the best we currently have access to.
Thank you though for giving me yet another chance to say that a competent web development staff would have already solved the problem. If it can determine that you "have too many of X item in your cart" it has enough information about your account to show what you have already bought. The web staff saying that it is hard/impossible are flat out lying to management.
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As someone already said costume bundles, IMO, are one of the things that are reasonably priced on the Paragon Market. Also, City of already boasts THE most diverse costume/character creator of any MMO on the market. Costumes are part of that "backbone" I mentioned earlier. Costume/Story/Powersets/Content (I.E. Zones/Story Arcs). They are what makes this beautiful game go round and round. Again though they're priced fairly in comparison to other items on the market.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
The thing is, though, this *is* just your point of view. For you, powersets are a most important part of the game, and so of course they should be free. Someone else might not care at all about powersets, and see costumes as the central part of CoX. You're willing to pay for costumes, but not for powersets. They think that costumes should all be free, but would pay for powersets.
It's another version of the 'what should be included in Premium content' debate. If everyone gets to have what they think of as a central part of the game for free, then there's virtually nothing left that can be sold in the market and used to fund the extra development and extra releases that you acknowledge are happening. At the end of the day, what it comes down to is, are you willing to pay extra to get more of some of the things that you feel are fundamental to the game, or do you think that they shouldn't exist for anyone to buy? Because those are the options -- more stuff that we pay for, or the lesser amount of stuff we got under the old system, for free. More stuff for free isn't really going to fly as a business model. |
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Maybe for some people.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Right now, you have a choice of one power set vs two costume bundles. Guess which is way better bang for the buck? Costume bundles.
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On the other hand, a powerset actually does something. Costume bundles don't. So for some players, one powerset at 800 points is more bang for their buck than 800 costume pieces at 1 point apiece. It really depends on what's most important to the individual player in question.
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A powerset does not have the same flexibility as two costume bundles. That only reinforces how overpriced power sets are. |
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Maybe for some people.
On the other hand, a powerset actually does something. Costume bundles don't. So for some players, one powerset at 800 points is more bang for their buck than 800 costume pieces at 1 point apiece. It really depends on what's most important to the individual player in question. |
The Rocket board and Magic carpet are not just cosmetic changes (but is also a power), hence you can make an argument for it to be 800. But for some people that already have the rocket board, they clearly stated in this thread they will not pay 800 for a cosmetic upgrade for the magic carpet. While others would be fine for a re-skin of the rocketboard but at a reduced pricing.
For a VIP that doesn't have powersets or costume bundles, it is clear which is the best bang for the buck. Unless they have all the costume bundles, then you can make a case of powerset pricing versus other choice of equal value. But an unlock of auras, or capes is way better bang for the buck as well.
For the tldr crowd: VIP should not have to pay the same pricing as non VIPs for many items, or the value of a lot of services should be closer to the monthly stipend.
When Rocket Board came out I couldn't wait for all the alternative versions, most notably Flying Carpets and Rocks...
600 points is to much for what amounts to a new pose for flight.
I bought the Rocket Board without thought mainly because I had a surplus of points from the buildup and wanted to have the option of not picking a travel power.
I have that option now, so this would really only benefit me on certain concepts. There for, I can't justify spending that much on something so limiting.
I'll have to pass, sadly.
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