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I've been expecting Statesman to be the casualty for some reason.


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Here's why

1) Galaxy City is destroyed, he is relocated to Atlas Park as a trainer, redundant considering it has a trainer already.

2) He does not offer any TF. Thus, his removal would mean less coding and dialogue changes.

3) He is not part of any delivery missions. Certain characters, like Positron and Statesman, are part of delivery missions. IE, in the Synapse TF you have to go talk to Positron or in the Incarnate Alpha unlocking you must talk to Statesman.

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scg3LOF6Lv0

5) They have lead you to believe it will be a member of the Freedom Phalanx but in reality its one of the surviving 8. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Surviving_Eight

6) When he dies the character will be "phased" out of the game. Meaning once you complete the story arc you won't see him in the game anymore a la contacts in Praetoria. The zone that makes use of this phasing is only Atlas Park, where Back Alley Brawler resides. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnhk...eature=related (Stated at 1:30 about Phasing)

I will bump this thread in 3 months when it happens.
1. Duh.

2. Its so obvious, I'm hoping they DON'T kill him off. Maybe just have him replace another contact.

3. Duh again.


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I will pay $1000 US in Paragon Market swag if they promise to kill off Statesman.

Thank you.
I'd rather see them give Statesman breasts. Much funnier.


 

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I've been expecting Statesman to be the casualty for some reason.

Lets see him break a leg or in a coma.

Yes, lets make that happen please.


 

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Some of my theories:

1. It won't be Psyche because she is the only living female. I think they may setup the entire arch and make you think it's going to be Psyche but at the last minute Manticore sacrifices himself to save her.

2. Citadel. He barely does anything, he is one of the most forgotten characters in the group. My guess is they could easily kill him off and replace him with BABs at almost every point. He only served as a diversification. Their options were robot, alien or monster. Plus he is tech based but we have Posi and his tech suit for that.

3. Synapse. I think back to when another comic company killed off their main speedster and it may be an nod to that epicness.

4. If it is BABs, he will go down extremely epicly. He will end up saving the city by sacrificing himself.

5. Won't be Statesman. Too big. Well I should alter that a bit. It could be Statesman IF afterwards, they have Ms Liberty join the Phalanx. She would then be able to continue his work and finish up any unfinished stories that Statesman didn't, for example the fight against Recluse. This would add more depth to another character and really make Ms Lib pop.
Plus it would add another female to the group, since there is currently only 1 living female right now.

6. Could be Numina. She was player created if I remember right. She could sacrifice her immortal soul to save the city. Which is an even bigger sacrifice then simply being killed since in a comic book world, the destruction of your soul means no after life, heaven, hell, purg, nothing.

I think no matter what, it won't be as simple as the bad guys killed him. At least on the hero side, it'll be a self sacrifice.

Plus, if she dies, there isn't a member of the Phalanx with rez.


7. If it is Positron, it'll end up being epic in the following. My guess would be, fighting villains he pushes his powers to their limits and his armor is damaged. It goes beyond that which happened during the rikti invasion, where he became energy, and he is going to go nuclear. So he flies up into space or the atmosphere and explodes.
The benefit of this also would be, because of the fall out in space, it opens up storylines that could occur on the moon base they have been wanting to make for quite some time.

8. Maybe Ms Liberty? She isn't a member now but she could be promoted and die during the series.


Also the character may be removed from the game as living, but there will be major reference to him, just like Atlas or any other fallen hero, if not even more so.

Plus, while he will be dead in the ingame world for sure, I can easily see the DEVs developing Ouroboros more with a cool story arc that features you going back in time and teaming with this hero.

I'd say BABs is too obvious and if it was BABs, I would not play it on any of my main characters. I wouldn't want him phased out. Plus they just put in Street Justice, so they NEED to recode BAB's melee powers to that.

I think Psyche is safe and she won't be killed off at all. Every group needs their psychic. Its one of the staples of their group.


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3. Positron. "No!" you say, "Not Posi! He has a TF. He's a dev." And he also has a history of stupidly destructive self-sacrifice, like locking himself in his own armor for a decade or so.

I see a big climax with (probably Psyche - works better with a girl) chained to an altar and about two seconds away from being eaten by Yog-Sathoth or something when Positron swoops in, pushes her out of the way, takes the killing blow and expires just after whispering "I have always loved you." (You see how the impact would be a bit different if he was rescuing Synapse.)
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I think it would indeed be a big impact if Positron took the killing blow on behalf of Synapse and told him, "I have always loved you."
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That would probably shake up the player base as much as the death.

Think of all the sorting through past missions for clues, the way people debate whether Sherlock and Watson were lovers or not . . .
Oh please... Posi and Synapse are the ultimate bromance of City of Heroes. THEY are more of a canon couple than NumiTron is any day of the week.

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According to Zwillinger, the in-house nickname for this storyline annoys Positron.
What *IS* the in-house nickname? Did that ever get mentioned?

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What *IS* the in-house nickname? Did that ever get mentioned?
It was mentioned once on UStream - although as it was whispered behind a hand while the sound was muted, we didn't really get much of an idea what it might be


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I just don't think it'll be Synapse. Not unless the story gets some heavy Crey involvement. It just seems like the perfect way for him going out is fighting some terrible Crey threats.

Positron (being a dev and all) would be the one to surprse me. But, if it was him, he can have his TF become BAB's TF!


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I'd rather see them give Statesman breasts. Much funnier.
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Pfft. War Witch. Again.


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Oh snap, you figured it out!

Now they're going to have to switch it to Hank Hall.
That is still a sore point for me.


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Originally Posted by Ultimus View Post
Here's why

1) Galaxy City is destroyed, he is relocated to Atlas Park as a trainer, redundant considering it has a trainer already.

2) He does not offer any TF. Thus, his removal would mean less coding and dialogue changes.

3) He is not part of any delivery missions. Certain characters, like Positron and Statesman, are part of delivery missions. IE, in the Synapse TF you have to go talk to Positron or in the Incarnate Alpha unlocking you must talk to Statesman.

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scg3LOF6Lv0

5) They have lead you to believe it will be a member of the Freedom Phalanx but in reality its one of the surviving 8. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Surviving_Eight

6) When he dies the character will be "phased" out of the game. Meaning once you complete the story arc you won't see him in the game anymore a la contacts in Praetoria. The zone that makes use of this phasing is only Atlas Park, where Back Alley Brawler resides. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnhk...eature=related (Stated at 1:30 about Phasing)

I will bump this thread in 3 months when it happens.
1. For that reason it is also just as easy to move him to be the replacement contact for whoever does die. There would be very little impact of just removing him from that spot, which is kinda out of the way anyways.

2. Players have been clamoring for a rework to several of the low-end signature task forces Hero side, like Citidel, Synapse, and Sister Psyche (at least the 3 I've heard complaints about the most). They could very likely be revamping their task forces like they did with Posi's a while back, to make compensation for a change like the starting contact being replaced by someone like BaBs.

3. I'd imagine that with this phasing tech, they've also put in the ability to change what contacts you need to talk to from one to another, or at least they are in the process of doing so.

6. Maybe they are slating another zone for a major revamp too by then, say with Issue 22, which is likely coming out right about the time this story arc comes out. So, that would means it would be a zone with one of these contacts. Also, who says the phasing tech needs to be in from the ground up? Mercy isn't COMPLETELY redone, but it has phasing tech. The phasing tech wasn't really put into place until issue 22 for Freedom. Going Rogue had the ability to phase just contacts in issue 18.

For the sake of argument, Issue 22 has another large zone change also: Dark Astoria...who's only entrance is currently Talos...which is also the first entry point from Praetoria. Maybe they are updating Talos as well to fit more with the Praetorian look as well as to deal with the changes needed for the new Dark Astoria.

As for removing the characters from the actual missions...notice how the signature story arcs are increasing in level...meaning they could have the last chapter be level 50 only. If the phasing tech is used to remove the characters, then players won't be able to actually run the last chapter until they've run the regular missions with the characters. Most of the surviving 8 only appear at level 50 accessible content that are the high level task forces, which they are their only story line, so they could argue that that task force occurs before the signature story arc. The only exception is Synapse and Citidel (according to the wiki, and with a fairly brief scan so admittedly this could be wrong), which they are still level 46+ missions and the same argument could still apply. The rest have to be completed before level 50, and would only be accessible through Ouroborus, which would explain why they are still alive.

Now, I really have no idea who is going to die. I'm happy waiting to find out. And I could be wrong. But I don't see how your examples point directly to BaBs being the only possibility. Personally my money is on Citidel. They redo Talos, if needed, to handle whatever phasing they need (since they are going to have to do something with the Dark Astoria entrance area anyways...they said they are closing off that entrance at the summit), they update his current task force to work just as well for it being BaBs as the contact, when the story is done, they phase BaBs out of AP and into Citidel's spot in Talos and give him the task force, say his existance in the LRSF or any other missions is a robotic duplicate of Citidel, but not Citidel...or replace him with Lumina...or Seige...or another Hero/AV in those missions.


 

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My official guess: Statesman is the one to die and our character is the one who kills him.


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I'm not going to think about it too much. I'd prefer being pleasantly surprised over being vindicated.

So this is all I'll say. Folks, don't take it for granted that CoH: Freedom was in the works for a long time before we were any the wiser. Any number of art assets and marketing materials could have already been produced, allowing any sort of big surprise to occur in the blink of an update. Any sort.

When seeking a fitting end to an epic tale (in which a much-hyped death occurs), a good writer does not ask himself how to approach this problem as mundanely as possible.

I'm just sayin'.


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Kind of doubt it's Brawler at this point, now that we know who the antagonist of the story is. Brawler has very little link to him at all (less so than other members of the Phalanx), and hasn't had any role at all in the story up until the epilogue of the latest arc. For that matter, neither have Positron or Citadel (which, IMO, rules them out as well).

For the death to be at all meaningful and resonate with the story as it has developed thus far, it's got to be one of the main characters in the story, IMO- either Statesman or Manticore. The two of them are the major impetus of the arc as it's developing, and the crux of the antagonist's plans hinges chiefly on the divisions created in the Phalanx as a result of their relationship (and its deterioration).

At this point, I'm guessing Manticore is going to fake his death for some reason.


 

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According to Zwillinger, the in-house nickname for this storyline annoys Positron.
Floofy Nutterkins 2 Electric Boogaloo is kind of an annoying nickname.


 

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"And by dead, we mean they’re gone from the game. We’re going in and taking them out from missions and zones. There will be a major ripple effect that’ll affect the world once the death occurs. Even if you don’t play the Signature Story Arcs, you’ll still experience the repercussions. "


for the full article

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=27870&storypage=2

but on that note - my vote is to kill Synapse and delete his task force


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’but on that note - my vote is to kill Synapse and delete his task force
I remember hearing talk about the Synapse Task Force getting revamped.


 

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6) When he dies the character will be "phased" out of the game. Meaning once you complete the story arc you won't see him in the game anymore a la contacts in Praetoria. The zone that makes use of this phasing is only Atlas Park, where Back Alley Brawler resides. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnhk...eature=related (Stated at 1:30 about Phasing)
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6. Maybe they are slating another zone for a major revamp too by then, say with Issue 22, which is likely coming out right about the time this story arc comes out. So, that would means it would be a zone with one of these contacts. Also, who says the phasing tech needs to be in from the ground up? Mercy isn't COMPLETELY redone, but it has phasing tech. The phasing tech wasn't really put into place until issue 22 for Freedom. Going Rogue had the ability to phase just contacts in issue 18.
Been thinking the same here - I'd hope that some form of phasing would come to other zones before too long and the signature arc timescale is hopefully long enough to give some dev time to it.

I'd guess that it would be a low level zone (as I'd personally go for gradually bringing in phasing from Atlas onwards). Kings' is so easy to skip (or quick to do) and only has that blue steel chappy, so I'd lean towards Skyway or Steel.


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Actually they said that they are removing the person that dies from the game, it's in a Ustream, don't remember which one but it's there.
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In an effort to minimise the work required, part 6 of the SSA reveals that an entry requirement to the freedom phalanx was that the hero had to have an identical twin. Back Alley Brawler could easily be killed off and replaced by his twin brother Peter, who's currently working as a landscape gardener.

Expect them to sell a titan weapon garden implements pack with hoe, rake and strimmer.

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BaB is one of the few surviving 8 who turns up the most in story arcs/tfs isnt he? Personally i would have thought it'ld be harder to get him out of the game than majority of the others

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Aside from any story reason, killing BAB would attract far too much publicity to the game of the wrong kind.

One of the few ethnic signature characters being killed off would encourage many negative vibes.



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Aside from any story reason, killing BAB would attract far too much publicity to the game of the wrong kind.

One of the few ethnic signature characters being killed off would encourage many negative vibes.

When i look at any of the characters ingame, i have honestly never looked at their ethnic origin but rather themselves as a character. It never even crossed my mind that, but i hope reasons like that will keep him safe, I hope its based purely on a characters story rather than "who will cause the least agro".


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Here's an interesting note from David Nakayama in response to one of my comments on dev:

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Well, these guys are the big guns of the old guard in COH lore. Whoever dies, it'll be the end of the 'Surviving Eight' and a big deal in the storyline, setting up all sorts of new story possibilities for the future. For players, it marks a moment of ascendance, as the sig.s will no longer be the most powerful beings around--that torch has passed to the players.
This kind of makes me lean strongest towards it being Statesman since that feels like it would a defining way to say: "Your characters are now above even the Surviving Eight."

I mean, it's not to say the others aren't important, but even those who hate Statesman mock how 'boringly invincible' he is, and if he were suddenly killed, it would show that even gods can apparently die.

If you killed Back Alley Brawler, you just killed a man. Sister Psyche has her tricks, but killing her isn't very impressive either, nor positron, maybe Synapse and Citadel. And Okay, maybe if you killed Numina you might earn points for making "beating a dead horse" a much more literal term.

But Statesman? The guy is defined by effectively being an unmoving wall who can scarcely be scratched without heavy leveled against him.

Also, Darrin Wade expressly took Alexis Cole's blood. That's gotta mean something abouty his target right there.


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