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5. Won't be Statesman. Too big. Well I should alter that a bit. It could be Statesman IF afterwards, they have Ms Liberty join the Phalanx. She would then be able to continue his work and finish up any unfinished stories that Statesman didn't, for example the fight against Recluse. This would add more depth to another character and really make Ms Lib pop.
Plus it would add another female to the group, since there is currently only 1 living female right now. |
How cool would it be to be welcomed to Atlas by a newly redesigned Ms. Liberty who was now a part of the premier hero group in-game? I'd even go so far as to say she'd need a new name if she was going to get this sort of promotion.
Plus, she'd probably get a new suit. (Seriously, she could use a redesigned costume regardless.) And she's probably the first "big hero" face we see in-game when we hit Atlas.
How cool would it be to be welcomed to Atlas by a newly redesigned Ms. Liberty who was now a part of the premier hero group in-game? I'd even go so far as to say she'd need a new name if she was going to get this sort of promotion. |
I really like her costume
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If she gets a promotion to Phalanx member, she should get a new suit.
I'm going for Statesman or they use the Phase Tech so its different for each of us.
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Oh man I'm going to stop reading this thread now, I really want whatever it is to be a surprise.
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I dunno... the "Salute to statesman" sounds like a pretty big hint to me.
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BaB seems too obvious a choice; I'd hope that the devs/writers would be a little more subtle than that. "Let's kill the homeless guy!" OK, doesn't sound so great now, huh?
And, just because phasing is currently only in Atlas, doesn't mean that other zones could be updated to include phasing. If one of the others died, it could use phasing to replace that character with BaB as the TF contact.
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If the final arc is level 50, they could tie it into the incarnate stuff and we have to kill Statesman due to the Well of the Furies. Either to prevent it from using him for something or to stop him from doing something depending on if you are a hero or villain.
The only problem with that is that it can't be too closely tied to the incarnate stuff, like expect the character running it to be an incarnate since people who cannot access incarnate content can buy the SSAs.
Which is sad on the part of the people who bring attention to that sort of thing on either side of it, rather than just enjoying the story.
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Perhaps... but there's generally a lack of ethnic diversity in comics - and if Paragon killed off the most significant African-American signature hero, there would a justification for asking why they felt that was necessary.
It's a question they don't want to have to answer and so it isn't an option and will not happen.
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5. Won't be Statesman. Too big. Well I should alter that a bit. It could be Statesman IF afterwards, they have Ms Liberty join the Phalanx. She would then be able to continue his work and finish up any unfinished stories that Statesman didn't, for example the fight against Recluse. This would add more depth to another character and really make Ms Lib pop. Plus it would add another female to the group, since there is currently only 1 living female right now. |
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Plus, she'd probably get a new suit. (Seriously, she could use a redesigned costume regardless.) And she's probably the first "big hero" face we see in-game when we hit Atlas.
How cool would it be to be welcomed to Atlas by a newly redesigned Ms. Liberty who was now a part of the premier hero group in-game? I'd even go so far as to say she'd need a new name if she was going to get this sort of promotion. |
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It seems like they're setting Statesman up to die. Due to Positron taking command of the Phalanx and States flying off in grief.
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1) Galaxy City is destroyed, he is relocated to Atlas Park as a trainer, redundant considering it has a trainer already. 2) He does not offer any TF. Thus, his removal would mean less coding and dialogue changes. 3) He is not part of any delivery missions. Certain characters, like Positron and Statesman, are part of delivery missions. IE, in the Synapse TF you have to go talk to Positron or in the Incarnate Alpha unlocking you must talk to Statesman. 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scg3LOF6Lv0 5) They have lead you to believe it will be a member of the Freedom Phalanx but in reality its one of the surviving 8. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Surviving_Eight 6) When he dies the character will be "phased" out of the game. Meaning once you complete the story arc you won't see him in the game anymore a la contacts in Praetoria. The zone that makes use of this phasing is only Atlas Park, where Back Alley Brawler resides. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnhk...eature=related (Stated at 1:30 about Phasing) I will bump this thread in 3 months when it happens. |
This is my pet theory:
BABs is on a back burner for now, ready to replace the Phalanxer that DOES die. When the death happens, he'll be pulled from Atlas Park and take his new spot ... which I hunchify is across from Luminary in Talos Island. Presto, every one of Citadel's story elements now becomes BABs story elements.
Sentient robots can have their back-up programs/personalities erased and truly die! BABs is replacing Citadel.
In my fevered imagination, the entire arc is misdirection and filled with plot twists and 'evidence' to keep us guessing. The death will be a surprise! The story arc of Statesman and Sister Psyche and Manticore and Positron taking leadership ... it's all smoke an mirrors. Citadel will make a valiant, last minute act of heroism to save States/Psyche/manti at the cost of his own "life", no matter what the story is, or where it is going.
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Prometheus explained quite a lot about what happens if an incarnate dies permanently and where the powers would go to. If Ms. Liberty absorbs Statesman's powers, that could be a fairly easy way to introduce a replacement for the figurehead of the game.
.. and revamp her powersets with Street Justice/Invulnerability/misc. Elec powers/misc. Super Strength powers/Ion Judgement!
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Sister Psyche dying makes more sense actually.
1) Manticore is already a borderline criminal anyway. His wife's death would almost certainly push him over the edge into being a true villain. That would open up Wyvern as an enemy group for heroes.
2) The devs already stated that they will alter Task Forces and storylines if need be to account for the death of the person in question.
3) It could potentially spawn 2 new SSA stories out of the results. The first one would be dealing with the effects of Manticore going bad with all of his resources (A guy who has already hacked into the emergency teleporter is your enemy? That could be bad). The second one could deal with Sister Psyche's mind ending up in someone else's body, or could deal with finding a suitable body for her to inhabit. (alternately, she could end up inside Manticore's mind)
4) Back Alley Brawler could take over Manticore's spot in Brickstown and give out the TF instead. And Aurora could take over Sister Psyche's TF.
It could easily be Manticore as well. The devs went to some lengths to make sure he was introduced to the players at a low level. The death of a character you've never interacted with has little impact, and Twinshot's arc paints him as being helpful (in a dickish way) to new heroes.
Exposure to players is why it probably won't be Citadel, Numina, or Synapse. In the first two's case, it also means nothing when they are already dead or could just be rebuilt. Synapse only shows up in the first SSA, and just about nowhere else I can think of other than extremely high level villain content.
Statesman would be a big shock, but it's difficult to kill off the flagship character and remove him from the game entirely. Every advertisement for CoH has featured Statesman, making it unlikely that he will bite it.
Also, another reason why it isn't BABs: The devs have already said it is one of the Freedom Phalanx who will die, and BABs isn't a member of FP. Could be a red herring, but I doubt it.
Killing off BABs could also be taken as a dig at Christopher Bruce, and it seems the devs would want to avoid the appearance of doing that.
Sister Psyche or Manticore make the most sense out of the possibilities. I'm leaning toward Sister Psyche because there are more interesting story lines that could spring up from her death than anyone else. And it could also lead to an opportunity for a complete character re-design, since she is by far the most dated looking character in the CoH universe. If she mind-hopped to a different body she could look any way they want her to.
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I think a lot of people are going to be surprised...you know...soon™. |
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Here's my idea and keep in mind I havent been able to run part 4 yet.
Personally, I think there will be multiple deaths among our signature heroes. I think Statesman is going to be destroyed quickly; his death being an inconsequential destruction to rattle the other heroes. Ms. Liberty rushes into battle to defend her grandfather only to be swatted away and killed instantly.
From there the Phalanx come together and ask the players on the TF to help take out an evil to big for them to handle alone. During the ensuing battle most of the members of the Phalanx are taken out and it is our characters who finally take down the mastermind and his evil minions.
At least, that would make the last 6+ years of my playing finally make me feel like I am a true hero and have my place in the CoH Universe.
Statesman would be a big shock, but it's difficult to kill off the flagship character and remove him from the game entirely. Every advertisement for CoH has featured Statesman, making it unlikely that he will bite it. |
Everyone keeps mentioning that Statesman's face is the one on the game, but take a good look at Freedom's Logo. Statesman leaping forward into an epic battle with... A Lt level Clockwork? Hardly screams awesomeness. I really believe it will be Statesman that dies, but wouldn't be surprised if this was misdirection. States seems to be the target of this arc, but any of the Phalanx would sacrifice themselves for him, so it's still up in the air. One thing that I've gotten a good laugh over though is how States just rushed off the second something bad happens in is life. I would think that a hero would have had the fortitude to tough this out for the sake of the greater good.
Honestly, if you want "easiest to replace", it's gotta be Citadel.
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