So you have a pet peeve about bad spelling in chat?


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I tend to differentiate between abbreviations on one hand and leetspeak or IM jargon on the other. I have no major issue with "ppl" or "brb" but "cuz" or "wat" are enough to make me quit a team or refuse the invite. The letter U and the number 2 are not words.

Why it gets under my skin is this: It's not just what such usage says about the speaker, but what it implies about their attitude towards me. The person who sends the tell "u lf team lol" is probably perfectly capable of using standard English if he chooses to do so. Presumably he's used it on school essays or a resume at some point. When he addresses me in IM jargon the message it sends (to my mind anyway) is:

1. I am a lazy semi-literate, and
2. I could address you properly but I can't be bothered because you're not worth the effort.

The former is merely regrettable. The latter is personally offensive. If I'm not worth the two extra keystrokes to spell out the word "you", then find another mark.


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If you're spending 40+ hours in a job where everything you write reflects on you and your employer, then I think some of that expectation comes home and finds its way into the game.


 

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Misspellings and the like don't really bother me. What drives me absolutely crazy is not having enough context to figure out what they are wanting. It seems like every tell I get just says "Team". My usual responses range from "Yankees" to "Solo" to "Please tell me in at least 10 words why I would want to come team with you."


 

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Originally Posted by Frostbiter View Post
Misspellings and the like don't really bother me. What drives me absolutely crazy is not having enough context to figure out what they are wanting. It seems like every tell I get just says "Team". My usual responses range from "Yankees" to "Solo" to "Please tell me in at least 10 words why I would want to come team with you."
That's pretty much what bugs me, as well. In the very basic terms of communication, the onus is on the person initiating said communication to deliver as much information with his initial call as is necessary for the proper interpretation of his communication. In simpler words, if you send me a tell, YOU are responsible for giving me context so I can understand what the hug you're talking about.

This is why I find myself quite literally offended by "terse" tells. The person clearly wants something from me, but he is putting the responsibility of decrypting his communication in MY lap. This is work I have to do before I even know what's being said to me, long before I have any way to know if this work is even worth doing. If the person telling me "team brute 36?" is asking me if I want to join him, then I might. If that person is asking if I want him to join him, then no, I don't. But I don't know and, frankly, if said person couldn't be arsed to help me figure it out, then I can't be arsed to bother my head with riddles.

The funny thing is, most people's self-defence when called out on poor communication skills is "Who cares as long as you know what I'm talking about?" Well, that's the rub, isn't it? I DON'T know what you're talking about, and you get uppity with me when I ask you to clarify.


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Originally Posted by Rainbow Avenger View Post
I tend to differentiate between abbreviations on one hand and leetspeak or IM jargon on the other.
Definitely. Acronyms like "bbl", "brb", "afk", "afiak", or "lol" don't bother me at all. It's "phonetic spelling" of things like "r u" or "wat" that gives me a bad impression.


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
This is why I find myself quite literally offended by "terse" tells. The person clearly wants something from me, but he is putting the responsibility of decrypting his communication in MY lap. This is work I have to do before I even know what's being said to me, long before I have any way to know if this work is even worth doing. If the person telling me "team brute 36?" is asking me if I want to join him, then I might. If that person is asking if I want him to join him, then no, I don't. But I don't know and, frankly, if said person couldn't be arsed to help me figure it out, then I can't be arsed to bother my head with riddles.

The funny thing is, most people's self-defence when called out on poor communication skills is "Who cares as long as you know what I'm talking about?" Well, that's the rub, isn't it? I DON'T know what you're talking about, and you get uppity with me when I ask you to clarify.
Yeah, I don't grudge people for using abbreviations and I don't grudge them for making typos, but the more you abbreviate, the more you risk losing all meaning completely with a single typo.

Suppose I get a /tell that just asks: "ift?" Now I'm just confused, because I don't know if they mean ITF but swapped the two last letters, or LFT but typoed an I for an L.




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Originally Posted by Rainbow Avenger View Post
I tend to differentiate between abbreviations on one hand and leetspeak or IM jargon on the other. I have no major issue with "ppl" or "brb" but "cuz" or "wat" are enough to make me quit a team or refuse the invite. The letter U and the number 2 are not words.

Why it gets under my skin is this: It's not just what such usage says about the speaker, but what it implies about their attitude towards me. The person who sends the tell "u lf team lol" is probably perfectly capable of using standard English if he chooses to do so. Presumably he's used it on school essays or a resume at some point. When he addresses me in IM jargon the message it sends (to my mind anyway) is:

1. I am a lazy semi-literate, and
2. I could address you properly but I can't be bothered because you're not worth the effort.

The former is merely regrettable. The latter is personally offensive. If I'm not worth the two extra keystrokes to spell out the word "you", then find another mark.
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That's pretty much what bugs me, as well. In the very basic terms of communication, the onus is on the person initiating said communication to deliver as much information with his initial call as is necessary for the proper interpretation of his communication. In simpler words, if you send me a tell, YOU are responsible for giving me context so I can understand what the hug you're talking about.

This is why I find myself quite literally offended by "terse" tells. The person clearly wants something from me, but he is putting the responsibility of decrypting his communication in MY lap. This is work I have to do before I even know what's being said to me, long before I have any way to know if this work is even worth doing. If the person telling me "team brute 36?" is asking me if I want to join him, then I might. If that person is asking if I want him to join him, then no, I don't. But I don't know and, frankly, if said person couldn't be arsed to help me figure it out, then I can't be arsed to bother my head with riddles.

The funny thing is, most people's self-defence when called out on poor communication skills is "Who cares as long as you know what I'm talking about?" Well, that's the rub, isn't it? I DON'T know what you're talking about, and you get uppity with me when I ask you to clarify.
I think these two posts capture my feelings on the matter. If you can't take the time to be clear in telling me what you are talking about, I don't want to take the time to try to decrypt.


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The thing that really bugs me is people misspelling "Villain" as "Villian" - not so much the error, but it causes others to misspell it as well.


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Some people just can't type doesn't mean they are illiterate.
Yes it does. Since (other than some schoolwork, and sure-to-come exceptions in replies to this post) people rarely write by hand any more, and most text entry is done on keyboards and textpads, the inability to type is 21st-Century illiteracy.

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The proper basis for that requires that the first and last letter in any word (or sylable for more complex words) remains constant. So while the original phrase can be deciphered easily enough because it follows that rule, most intentional "leet speak" does not follow that rule because it wasn't meant to be easily deciphered by the average person. Because of that, the argument that because you can interpret the example phrase you can interpret "leet speak" is NOt valid.


 

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Dunno about you folks, but I read that mess just as easy as if it were written correctly.
As easily as if it were written correctly.

Also, it's not about the order of the letters (I'm certainly prone to typos at the best of times) but the care a potential conversation partner takes to compose their statements. Someone who can't be bothered at all with proper spelling often can't be bothered at all with other things.


 

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Yes it does. Since (other than some schoolwork, and sure-to-come exceptions in replies to this post) people rarely write by hand any more, and most text entry is done on keyboards and textpads, the inability to type is 21st-Century illiteracy.
What? No. Illiteracy is the inability to read and write. An inability to write independent of one's ability to read is dysgraphia.


 

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Yeah, it's one of those things that entirely depends on who you ask and rarely matters in the slightest. I only mentioned it as a point of "this is how to write, humble student!"



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So you have a pet peeve about bad spelling in chat?
Yes, though to be fair it's usually about my own spelling. I suspect when I'm not looking that someone randomly rearranges the letters on my keyboard.

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Specifically, they tend to apologise in advance for their poor grasp of the language, usually unnecessarily.
Hmm, I might give that a try, "Me sorry, me not spell so good, me english not me first language". Yeah that could work!


 

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If the person telling me "team brute 36?" is asking me if I want to join him, then I might. If that person is asking if I want him to join him, then no, I don't.
You just said the same thing twice and are acting like they are supposed to be different things. If there are two people (A and B), then A joining B has the exact same effect as B joining A. Teaming is commutative.

While your hypothetical player is terse, I see no way in which he was ambiguous.


 

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You just said the same thing twice and are acting like they are supposed to be different things. If there are two people (A and B), then A joining B has the exact same effect as B joining A. Teaming is commutative.

While your hypothetical player is terse, I see no way in which he was ambiguous.
Actually... well, i suppose if all teams were duos then you would be correct. Joining a team of two or more is not the same as inviting someone else to join you when solo.

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I have to say, by far the best speakers of the (British) English language are those that learn it as a second tongue. I have many German and Dutch friends who speak much better English than most English people, though given the... quality... of the average English person these days, I guess that's not too much of an achievement.


 

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Sometimes, if I make a typo I say "I need a new keyboard...this one can't spell."


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'Fingers tripping over themselves' happens. Typos don't bother me. They happen to the best of us, and I'm as guilty as anyone else of wanting to slap my own fingers with a ruler for their bumbling. Lack of interest in knowing how to spell a word, or even worse- knowing how to spell it and then continuing to use improper spelling- bugs the blazes out of me. When you are not in a hurry, or constricted by text limits, SPELL YOUR WORDS. Use 'you' and not 'u', use 'please' and not 'plz' (or 'pl0x', oh my gosh, where the HELL did that one come from?!), use 'thanks' and not 'tx/thx/tz/whatever the idiots are using now'. 'Thanks' is polite, 'tx' is 'I feel obligated to acknowledge your help, but I don't care enough to actually show my appreciation'.

There are a few common misspellings that irritate me more than others, but the one thing that honestly makes me grit my teeth the most? Improper use of apostrophes! Where did people get the idea that pluralizing something requires an apostrophe? If I have more than one sword, it's swords not sword's!!! Aargh....

Ahem. Ok. To sum up: Bad spelling doesn't always bother me, provided it's not bad spelling habits.


 

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I just read an e-mail from my supervisor that used "there" instead of "their" no less than a dozen times. I almost just stopped reading it, and sent it back with nothing but a big F as a response. Ahhhh!



 

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Originally Posted by rsclark View Post
You just said the same thing twice and are acting like they are supposed to be different things. If there are two people (A and B), then A joining B has the exact same effect as B joining A. Teaming is commutative.

While your hypothetical player is terse, I see no way in which he was ambiguous.
It's not the same thing at all? Interpretation 1 is: "Hey, I have a level 36 team running missions, want to join?" Interpretation 2 is: "Uhm, if you feel like starting and leading a team, I can be your first invite!"


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