So you have a pet peeve about bad spelling in chat?
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Posted on: 2011-10-01 11:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I've only ever done this to people I know, and only when it's obvious to them that I'm kidding around. I tend not to gravitate toward people in this game who can't take a joke. (Too many bad puns would go to waste.) With strangers, however? You're exactly right. It's the pinnacle of rudeness. If you (rhetorically speaking) wouldn't do that in front of someone you just met in real life (and you shouldn't), then please don't take your anonymity for granted on the Internet. The people here are no less real.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
It just really boils my blood when i see somebody correct a spelling mistake either myself or somebody else says in any of the chat channels [team/broadcast/help/globals etc].
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
[usually to me since i have very poor english
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It is sad, but at the same time, they have a point - albeit one they're expressing rudely. By that I mean, it may not be entirely reasonable to expect to be able to function in an English-speaking milieu without knowing at least enough to make yourself intelligible. I've had professors (particularly math professors for some reason - 20 years ago at WPI, they all seemed to be Hungarian; make your own Monty Python references here) I couldn't make head nor tail of. I didn't have some personal bias against them - one of them was the nicest guy in the world - but I couldn't understand what they were saying and it made getting anywhere in their classes even more challenging than it already was When you're dealing with vector calculus, that doesn't need help being hard.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
This isnt school, this is a game of a global scale of many different languages and cultures. Its the same as somebody who cant speak english well since its not their first language, the amount of abuse they get in the style of "this is an english server so only talk if you can speak it" is very sad
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Now, City of Heroes is not vector calculus (unless you're into hardcore purple-IO min-maxing
), but still. I don't think there's any sort of moral wrong in telling someone, "Sorry, old boy, I can't understand your banter." It's getting aggressive about it that's the problem.I doubt that bias is only restricted to English-speakers, either. Now that we have access to the EU servers with US accounts, I suppose I could test this by wandering onto Zukunft and seeing how long it takes to be chided for my execrable German (I'm five weeks into German 101, which means I'm not very far past "Ich heiße Hauptmann Photon! Wie heißen Sie, bitte?"), but I can't really be arsed.
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We may be talking about different things, or at least different degrees. I don't tend to judge people based on misspellings or typos unless it's pretty egregious. It's mostly when they don't seem to be even making a baseline effort to get their meaning across effectively that I tend to avoid having anything to do with them.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
I use "txt speech" a lot as well as spelling a lot of words wrong. The only exception when i take effort is when im helping a player out.
I'ld be on majority of your ignore list it'ld see Personally i dont see why people think "oh he cant spell so i'll ignore him", not very nice now is it Whatever happened to the nice nature of the world!  |
I do also judge people negatively who use a lot of chat speak. Confirmation bias perhaps, but experience has shown that they tend to be immature children. No doubt you are an exception, but as I said before I'll gladly play the odds and miss out on that one very nice player if it means I can avoid another 9 tools.
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Much more likely is that, like me, most people will never comment on this to your face, even if they're currently having a conversation with you, much in the same way as people who don't approve of your clothing won't go out and say "Did you get dressed in the dark?!?" The simple matter is it's impolite to bug people about their spelling and grammar for no reason, but it's not always safe to assume that just because people don't say anything, they're not actually thinking it.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Nobody has ever made me aware of having any sort of problem with the way I communicate in the game. Could it be that they simply avoid all contact with me?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Two egregious examples of butchering the English language that cheese me off:
1. "I could care less." This makes no sense. Should read as, "I couldn't care less."
2. "It begs the question, why does X do Y?" These people should be strung up. To beg the question is to commit a specific fallacy in logic. It is more commonly known as the circular argument. To beg the question is not intended to literally reference a question. To do this, the correct phrase is "it raises the question."
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Agreed. I very rarely correct anyone's spelling in game, or any other chat. If I do correct someone for some reason, I make an effort to indicate that I'm doing with good intentions, not to make them look inferior. (That usually means I send the correction in a tell.) I normally only go to the effort because I think the person in question (a) doesn't know they did something in error and (b) would actually want to know how to correct it. Since that combination doesn't come up very often, I just don't correct people much.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
I've only ever done this to people I know, and only when it's obvious to them that I'm kidding around. I tend not to gravitate toward people in this game who can't take a joke. (Too many bad puns would go to waste.) With strangers, however? You're exactly right. It's the pinnacle of rudeness. If you (rhetorically speaking) wouldn't do that in front of someone you just met in real life (and you shouldn't), then please don't take your anonymity for granted on the Internet. The people here are no less real.
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"To beg the question" is only a reference to that fallacy in the context of discussing logic and associated fallacies. Context is important in understanding language. Also, while a person may raise a question, a situation may only beg for a question to be raised. Thus, a questionable situation begs the question that the speaker is subsequently raising.
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Originally Posted by Spatch
2. "It begs the question, why does X do Y?" These people should be strung up. To beg the question is to commit a specific fallacy in logic. It is more commonly known as the circular argument. To beg the question is not intended to literally reference a question. To do this, the correct phrase is "it raises the question."
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"I could care less." This makes no sense. Should read as, "I couldn't care less."
Thank you, Spatch. This has always been a pet peeve with me along with these:
"Money is the root of all evil" is actually "The LOVE OF money is the root of all evil", as quoted from the Bible.
When resuscitator is pronounced "resuscitater"
When Valentine's Day becomes "Valentimes"
When Christmas wreath becomes "reef"
The word "data" is pronounced DAY-tuh, from the latin derivative, plural, datum.
"him and me, her and me"
Those are just a few examples. I don't correct people when I hear these things, but I do enjoy listening to and conversing with people who have command of the language. (I use slang and shorcuts myself, so I don't consider myself a true word Nazi.)
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Your'll find alot of the time in game/ in general chat etc ill use whats called shorthand/text form. like ur instead of your tht instead of that, lack of , . etc
It's not cos im lazy but more the fact im typing as im doing something else in game etc.
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Were you in-game when you were typing this?
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Originally Posted by HardRider
Your'll find alot of the time in game/ in general chat etc ill use whats called shorthand/text form. like ur instead of your tht instead of that, lack of , . etc
It's not cos im lazy but more the fact im typing as im doing something else in game etc. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Much more likely is that, like me, most people will never comment on this to your face, even if they're currently having a conversation with you, much in the same way as people who don't approve of your clothing won't go out and say "Did you get dressed in the dark?!?" The simple matter is it's impolite to bug people about their spelling and grammar for no reason, but it's not always safe to assume that just because people don't say anything, they're not actually thinking it.
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While it has fallen into the common vernacular in the noted usage, it is still incorrect. A question may begged to be asked, but that is not begging the question in the logical sense. I would daresay add, most who incorrectly use it haven't the slightest notion of the traditional definition of the phrase -- making context a meaningless frame of reference.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
"To beg the question" is only a reference to that fallacy in the context of discussing logic and associated fallacies. Context is important in understanding language. Also, while a person may raise a question, a situation may only beg for a question to be raised. Thus, a questionable situation begs the question that the speaker is subsequently raising.
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OED says data, with a short A, is also correct. After all, it wasn't pronounced DAY-tuh in Latin.|
Originally Posted by Healix
The word "data" is pronounced DAY-tuh, from the latin derivative, plural, datum.
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My current personal peeve? "Sneak peak." It's not a stealthy mountain, people!
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I will NEVER use that abbreviation... I just hate it for some reason. I will, however, say "yer" to replace both "you're" and "your." I am unsure as to why I like that one, maybe because it is pronounced the same. To me, "ur" should be pronounced as "ür."|
Originally Posted by HardRider
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Originally Posted by HardRider
ull find alot of teh time in game/genral chat etc ill use txtspeak like ur n tht lack of , . etc its not cos im lzy but more fact im typing as im doin smthg else ingame etc
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Ur, Great Ziggurat of.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
I will NEVER use that abbreviation... I just hate it for some reason. I will, however, say "yer" to replace both "you're" and "your." I am unsure as to why I like that one, maybe because it is pronounced the same. To me, "ur" should be pronounced as "ür."
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You realize, of course, that the only reason you can read that is because you have already learned the words and/or grammar correctly and your mind is automatically reordering them properly? If you didn't know the words and their proper usage, it would make no sense at all. |
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
I had a small exchange over the global channels the other day about the "shorthand" and typos that occur so frequently in chat.
Then I came across this: Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe. Dunno about you folks, but I read that mess just as easy as if it were written correctly. |
I don't mind misspelling during a mission or fight. often it's abbreviate or hospital and I'm not surprised when the middle of a sentence consists of wwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeerrdddddddddw. However when just chatting in channels I absolutely loathe that kind of typing, and here is the reason why. It shows that the person using the text speak or wrong words (your, you're, yore) doesn't want to go to the trouble of actually trying to communicate but rather prefers to lay the burden of understanding on whomever happens to be listening to them.
If you have doubts about that then why is the persons response to being corrected almost always something to the extent of "wutever i kno u can understand me n thats all that matters"?
Let's change it up a little bit. Let's convert that laziness to the spoken word instead of the written.
"I'm going to McDonalds. Do you want me to pick you up anything?"
"Me get food. You want?"
"I'm going to be home late. Could you set up the dvr to record Chuck?"
"Me late. Get Chuck."
"I've had the radio and tv off all day so I haven't heard any news."
"no know no news."
Sure, given the proper situation every single one of those simpler versions of the sentences is easily understandable. But anybody using them would still sound like a complete idiot. As does anybody who insists on using text speak and constant misspelling.
Oh and incidentally it's usually very easy to tell if English is a second language. Errors made by a non native speaker almost always consist of syntax and conjugation mistakes. And they usually apologize if they can't be understood rather than complaining that it doesn't make any difference.
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Actually, it makes them sound like Trolls.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
But anybody using them would still sound like a complete idiot.
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As an aside, I've been told it's both ways, so seeing it here I figured why not ask. Can you begin a sentence with And or But?
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Like many grammar rules, it seems to depend on who you ask, but it seems the answer is "no, but it's widely frowned upon."|
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
As an aside, I've been told it's both ways, so seeing it here I figured why not ask. Can you begin a sentence with And or But?
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Perhaps the best known split infinitive is from the opening credits of Star Trek. "To boldly go where no man has gone before" should, according to outdated rules, be "to go boldly where no man has gone before." The first version definitely appeals more to me.
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In other cases? Well, I am sure not going to point out to someone in in-game chat that they have split an infinitive, or have a dangling preposition. But I will likely notice, especially that last one. I have grown to love the word "which," it allows me to fix so many sentences that are befouled by "that" and end in a "with" or "to."
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I was going to dangle a preposition at you with fervor, but my brain refused to cooperate, so that now I'm unable to.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
In other cases? Well, I am sure not going to point out to someone in in-game chat that they have split an infinitive, or have a dangling preposition. But I will likely notice, especially that last one. I have grown to love the word "which," it allows me to fix so many sentences that are befouled by "that" and end in a "with" or "to."
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Farewell is like the end
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Crisis averted.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I was going to dangle a preposition at you with fervor, but my brain refused to cooperate, and now I'm unable to do so.
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And after I had to work so hard to trick my brain. That's hard to deal with. How will I go on? I suppose I'll get by. Meanie. |
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Crisis averted.
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Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Specifically, they tend to apologise in advance for their poor grasp of the language, usually unnecessarily.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Oh and incidentally it's usually very easy to tell if English is a second language. Errors made by a non native speaker almost always consist of syntax and conjugation mistakes. And they usually apologize if they can't be understood rather than complaining that it doesn't make any difference.
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I was just scanning through the replies quickly, didnt actually see yours so wasnt aimed at yourself as some form of personal attack dont worry
It just really boils my blood when i see somebody correct a spelling mistake either myself or somebody else says in any of the chat channels [team/broadcast/help/globals etc]. It just stinks of "learn to spell ok?" and whenever i do see somebody put another player down like that [because it does hurt, i've had it done to myself many times and it does being made feel less than somebody else] i remember that persons name and next time they make a spelling mistake [which so far has ALWAYS been the case] i let them know that its quite an easy mistake to make.
Different countries have different spellings of the exact same word, which is the "correct" spelling by the standard people are setting? The following is an example, which is the correct one?
Bus
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Bws
Anybody who knows me well knows that i sometimes just randomly puts in random different languages such as ci! Now one time by saying bws instead of bus i had one person do a kind of "point and laugh" correction at my expense. That is my point, if it does offend you in any shape or form then do you really need to go out of your way and let the world know? We all know if a word is spelt wrong [apart from myself], that doesnt mean you should point it out to the person though.
This isnt school, this is a game of a global scale of many different languages and cultures. Its the same as somebody who cant speak english well since its not their first language, the amount of abuse they get in the style of "this is an english server so only talk if you can speak it" is very sad
Bit of a rant i know
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