So you have a pet peeve about bad spelling in chat?


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Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
Unless it goes outside the quotation marks, as I believe it should in British (and likely Canadian) punctuation if the punctuation is not part of the quoted phrase.
Yeah, it's one of those things that entirely depends on who you ask and rarely matters in the slightest. I only mentioned it as a point of "this is how to write, humble student!"

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Those people need to seriously get a life.
Grammar Nazis, on the other hand, would point out that your "seriously" should be placed before "need"; not "get." (-:


 

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Grammar Nazis, on the other hand, would point out that your "seriously" should be placed before "need"; not "get." (-:
But how would they know that it's the need that should be serious? Perhaps the getting should be done in a serious fashion.


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The only thing that annoys me about poor spelling in chat, is spelling Nazi's.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect View Post
This is missing a period. It goes inside the quotation marks.

No; in proper English English it would be outside the quotation marks as it belongs to the enclosing sentence, not the quote - and it's called a full stop!


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I'm fairly laid back about what other people type, and I pretty much never correct them. Like some others here, it irritates the crap out of me when people type stuff like "r u lft". I don't know why it irritates me so much, because I can't really justify it logically, but I really don't like that kind of typing. I refuse to type like that personally even when sending text messages, and I have an old phone where using that sort of shorthand would speed it up considerably.

Sometimes I get it. If you're calling for help in chat and need to be mashing attack keys, spending the extra moments to spell out a correctly spelled/capitalized/punctuated sentence isn't the right priority, especially if you're a poor typist. I think a good example of that kind of thing is calling for help in the BAF prisoner phase when a prisoner is about to get away.

I notice lack of punctuation, but it rarely irritates me as long as it's happening in otherwise mostly correct typing, as context is usually sufficient to piece together the ambiguities that result. Likewise, I notice lack of capitalization, but it rarely irritates me. Mixing lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation starts to irritate me very mildly, but I am mostly inured to it after all these years of online gaming.

However, names that lack capitalization bother me.

If somebody named "fire.bomber" and send me a tell like "cn u oro" I am very likely to ignore them. Admitting it makes me feel it's petty, but it's true. It gives me the impression that the person is lazy, dumb, or both. That may be neither fair nor accurate, but it makes me not want to interact with them.

Edit: Full disclosure - I tend not to put periods on my ending statements in online chat. There's something about doing so that strikes me as too proper. I have concluded that this is partly because chat has another delimiter in the form of the rather obvious <end-of-line> break that ends a chat entry. Therefore, putting a period isn't usually necessary to convey <end-of-statement>. However, that's true only if the statement is the last one on the line. If I put multiple statements on a single chat line, I put periods at the ends of leading ones. Also, periods are the only terminating punctuation I omit this way. For example, I don't end questions without a question mark (except accidentally).


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Edit: Full disclosure - I tend not to put periods on my ending statements in online chat. There's something about doing so that strikes me as too proper. I have concluded that this is partly because chat has another delimiter in the form of the rather obvious <end-of-line> break that ends a chat entry. Therefore, putting a period isn't usually necessary to convey <end-of-statement>. However, that's true only if the statement is the last one on the line. If I put multiple statements on a single chat line, I put periods at the ends of leading ones. Also, periods are the only terminating punctuation I omit this way. For example, I don't end questions without a question mark (except accidentally).
And yet you put periods at the end of sentences that end paragraphs. Interesting.


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Oh, here's one thing about punctuation - I will never put an ending full stop on a sentence that ends in an emoticon, simply because I treat the emote like a punctuation mark


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But how would they know that it's the need that should be serious? Perhaps the getting should be done in a serious fashion.
Except in this case, there was a split infinitive... quite the grammar "no no."



 

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Except in this case, there was a split infinitive... quite the grammar "no no."
Pshaw. To knowingly use a split infinitive in English is to use English knowingly.


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I pretty much have the same pet peeves and reactions as the ones UberGuy expressed.

Save for...

I can't help but look down (in the silence of my mind) on people who capitalize first letters of sentences ingame. It just seems somewhat pedantic to me. Most likely tied to the period issue - doing a line break after every sentence, capital letters don't convey any meaningful information, and in this environment, become one extra keystroke to conform to a purposeless rule.


 

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Typos, spelling errors, etc in chat don't bother me. Lack of capitalization and punctuation in chat doesn't bother me. Incomplete sentences in chat don't bother me.

What does bother me is crap like "r u lft" in chat, and outside of chat, where you have all the time in the world to type a response, it drives me absolutely bat****. If you do it, I'm not going to bother to read what you wrote, if you do it routinely you will go on my ignore list, and I don't expect anyone else to read what you wrote either.

No, "English is not my first language" isn't an excuse, because you're lying. ESL people are capable of typing out full words, and many of them have better spelling and grammar than you.
This, this so much.
This is partly because me sister used to stress to me that how you speak is a reflection of who you are, and writing sloppily when in a situation that would allow for proper writing is a sign that one is a slob in real life, which may not be true, but it really is sort of like listening to some drug addled, wannabe, hip-hop 'gangsta' rapper who thinks loading a sentence up with as many swears and negatives as possible make them cool.


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And yet you put periods at the end of sentences that end paragraphs. Interesting.
Printed word, as appears on forums, is different than chat, with a line prefix on every line.

For example, it's largely impossible to output an actual paragraph in most chat interfaces. It's just not the same.


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I can't help but look down (in the silence of my mind) on people who capitalize first letters of sentences ingame. It just seems somewhat pedantic to me. Most likely tied to the period issue - doing a line break after every sentence, capital letters don't convey any meaningful information, and in this environment, become one extra keystroke to conform to a purposeless rule.
See, to me that triggers that "this person is lazy/dumb" thing.

There's a threshold here that we all have. The OP's example "r u lft" conveys enough information that most of us understand what it means. (At least it does in an MMO context - someone outside gaming would probably be confused by "lft".) Everything that was omitted there is, strictly speaking, unnecessary. But everyone is going to have a threshold of tolerance for that sort of omission. Mine is above wanting capitalization and below wanting sentence-ending periods.


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Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
Pshaw. To knowingly use a split infinitive in English is to use English knowingly.
Also, as Winston Churchill is reputed to have said when chided about ending a sentence with a preposition, "This is the sort of nonsense up with which I shall not put."


 

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It's mostly just a reflection that we don't read letter by letter, but by words.


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If somebody named "fire.bomber" and send me a tell like "cn u oro" I am very likely to ignore them. Admitting it makes me feel it's petty, but it's true.
I'm the same way but I don't feel petty about it. I'm sure there are any number of potential perfectly valid reasons why a person would choose to type that way, but the odds favor the person being some combination of ignorant, lazy, or stupid. I'll go with those odds and avoid such a person.

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Edit: Full disclosure - I tend not to put periods on my ending statements in online chat. There's something about doing so that strikes me as too proper.
Ditto here. I did when I first started chatting online way back when, but I was almost always the only person doing so. I stopped because I was concerned it made me appear elitist.


 

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honestly the thing that bothers me more is when someone corrects a very minor spelling error when the meaning of the word is easily understood. The only time I ever correct myself in chat is when I make an error that could cause confusion over what I was actually trying to say.
Sorry to bug you Bubba, I almost alway correct my spelling in chat.






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I openly discriminate against people who don't even attempt to communicate in basic sentences, and I'm okay with that. Misspellings are not a big deal, we all make them. But a random "u want team" will just get ignored. Not necessarily put -on- my ignore list, but ignored in the general sense.

Regarding the message of the OP, I actually don't find that sentence easy to read, and for a good reason: it's not simply that we read by words, and not letters. Rather, when the word is being formed in the brain, a prediction is made of how the word should appear. When I read the sentence, I "trip" over the misspelled words and have to re-read them because the misspellings don't quite match up with the prediction. It's reasonable to suppose that some people have an easier time with this than others.

I've seen that quoted study for quite some time now, and I'd guess it's based on research that is now quite dated. I'd look it up, but...meh.



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Why am I not surprised a spelling thread would invoke Godwin's Law.


 

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Perhaps I'm just an old fashioned fogey but seeing the way my granddaughters are being taught with this "new phonetic" way of teaching, they are having trouble reading and spelling. So the fact you have 15 and 16 year olds having trouble with the simple stuff in life is no surprise.
I feel the same way- My niece is being taught letters by how they sound. Sometimes.

Like the letter I. My niece is being taught to say that 'Ih', as in Italy. But what about Ideal? Or Isolate? Or Ironic? They don't start with that sound, so how is she meant to figure that out? It slows down learning progress, especially since by her age, I was reading things casually and she still has trouble reading words like imagine. It makes sense to me, knowing that, why so many younger people where I live can't construct sentences or words without constantly making mistakes I see as juvenile.

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See, to me that triggers that "this person is lazy/dumb" thing.

There's a threshold here that we all have. The OP's example "r u lft" conveys enough information that most of us understand what it means. (At least it does in an MMO context - someone outside gaming would probably be confused by "lft".) Everything that was omitted there is, strictly speaking, unnecessary. But everyone is going to have a threshold of tolerance for that sort of omission. Mine is above wanting capitalization and below wanting sentence-ending periods.
I always begin sentences in-game with capitalization purely because I was taught to write that way, and in-game chat to me is a form of writing. I only really hold that rule for myself though, like most parts of writing- If I can understand what somebody is saying after at most two seconds of thought, that's a pass in my book. If I get a message full of shorthand, misspellings and completely missing words crucial to understanding it, it'd take longer to decipher it than it would to lose my attention.


 

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Omitting capitalization seems to be totally ubiquitous in the game at this point and I myself do it. Why get in the habit of typing "properly" in a context where rapidity is always going to be valued? You can still use correct spelling and punctuation, if you're feeling florid, as you care to, but going for the shift key on proper nouns is silly when you're trying to type "if it wasnt for my horse i never would have spent that year in college" between parts of your attack chain during a hami raid. At any rate, the content that is transmitted is 98% of the point of communication in the first place so if you really feel the need to become agitated at someone's typography, feel free to excise it via self-flagellation.


 

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Omitting capitalization seems to be totally ubiquitous in the game at this point and I myself do it. Why get in the habit of typing "properly" in a context where rapidity is always going to be valued? You can still use correct spelling and punctuation, if you're feeling florid, as you care to, but going for the shift key on proper nouns is silly when you're trying to type "if it wasnt for my horse i never would have spent that year in college" between parts of your attack chain during a hami raid. At any rate, the content that is transmitted is 98% of the point of communication in the first place so if you really feel the need to become agitated at someone's typography, feel free to excise it via self-flagellation.
I've never had a problem with capitalisation in the middle of combat, and I play with a gamepad so my hands don't even start on the keyboard. Though I do have to admit to typing less since I moved to a laptop. I suppose I type too lightly and/or quickly for it, because it drops letters if I go at it with my normal typing fervor. I have to slow down and be more deliberate about it, which annoys me almost as much as forgetting to be deliberate and hitting "enter" before noticing that 1/3 of the letters are missing.


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Originally Posted by Sugar_Rush View Post
No; in proper English English it would be outside the quotation marks as it belongs to the enclosing sentence, not the quote - and it's called a full stop!


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In chat, where people may be pressed for time, I'm not a huge stickler for spelling and punctuation.

On the forums, where people have more time to use things like...well...SPELLCHECK to avoid what I affectionately refer to as "C4 word salad", it's irritating.

Reminds me of AOL'er 'leet-speak from 20+ years ago and the slow decline of "the masses" into an iconerate, rather than a literate society.

I try not to comment too much about it. As I've been known to fat-finger posts as well. And overuse of this plaint smacks of spelling-fascism (HEIL WEBSTER!) and other social nastiness.

This doesn't stop it from being irritating all the same.



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It's no effort for me to capitalize and punctuate every sentence, and the fact that I do so has contributed to my typing proficiency. On a good day I can type almost as fast as I can think, so typing correctly allows me to express myself more completely. But this hasn't always been the case. This goes back to the first MMORPG, which came out at the same time I was learning how to type (so I could have better job opportunities). It wasn't easy, but I made myself type correctly because it was good for me. Fortunately that was before MMOs went mainstream, and I was surrounded by early adopters and roleplayers who also liked to spell everything out.

Eventually, it became comfortable. Gradually, my typing speed increased and my error rate decreased. (I had been horrible in those first months.) But in following years in various online games, I never held someone else's typing proficiency against them...and surprisingly, no one has ever held mine against me. People have attributed it to quirkiness at worst, which is why this forum thread seems almost like a caricature: it doesn't match what I've experienced over the past 15 years of MMOs.

Things came full-circle when I subscribed to City of Heroes and landed on the Virtue shard. I'm once again surrounded by players who like to spell everything out. It's good not to feel like the odd man out for typing the way I like to type, so I'm grateful to be there. Edit: I suppose I should add that it would take more effort for me to type in broken Internet "shorthand" than it does for me to keep doing it my way. Some people in this thread ought to realize it's different strokes for different folks. I do play the game with some people whose typing is broken and abbreviated, after 15 years of communicating with fellow gamers, believe me I'm not phased by it. Snobby elitism was never a factor in the circumstances that led to my typing ability. I just wanted to be a good typist.


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