So you have a pet peeve about bad spelling in chat?
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Posted on: 2011-10-01 11:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
This little bit of academic preciousness comes around every little while, and, like a mild but recurrent rash, it's always just that little bit irritating. "Just as easy" my hinder. It's not hard to decipher, no, but it still has to be deciphered. That's like claiming that leaving a door unlocked is the same as leaving it open.
On the other hand, typos don't bother me in in-game chat, mainly because I know we're all typing under time pressure and in a somewhat less than ideal interface (seriously, when things get hectic the type-ahead lag sometimes verges on comical). Typos and spelling errors in canned character dialogue? Those annoy me. There's no reason other than simple carelessness why an NPC saying something like "the world is in jeapordy" should have made it into open release. Yeah, it's trivially easy to tell what he was meant to be saying... but that's not the point.
it should be noted that one reason that works is because the sentence is made of common words that flow contextually, a counter example was shown using uncommon words and with more ambiguous context and they could not be deciphered.
The faatcul vtiaidly of this aeristson ddneeps both on the ltgneh and cxtepimoly of your vlareuncar, as well as the titipsoansron of vlewos.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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That hurt my eyes to read.
You too, Sam. x.x
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As I left school some 45 years ago I find this sort of writing to either be done by a person whose first language is not English or someone who is to lazy to use the spell check,and they wonder why so many of the younger generation cannot read or write no disrespect to you Samuel as i know you are just using this as an example.Perhaps I,m just an old fashioned fogey but seeing the way my granddaughters are being taught with this "new phonetic" way of teaching they are having trouble reading and spelling.So the fact you have 15 and 16 year olds having trouble with the simple stuff in life is no surprise.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The faatcul vtiaidly of this aeristson ddneeps both on the ltgneh and cxtepimoly of your vlareuncar, as well as the titipsoansron of vlewos.
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It jlelios me wehn otoncejibs of tihs arnesmotst icjtreent aognsmt the niootn taht "can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm" aepipls urelnsliavy. Nlciey dnoe!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The faatcul vtiaidly of this aeristson ddneeps both on the ltgneh and cxtepimoly of your vlareuncar, as well as the titipsoansron of vlewos.
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The factual validity of this assertion depends both on the length and complexity of your vernacular, as well as the ??? of vowels.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The faatcul vtiaidly of this aeristson ddneeps both on the ltgneh and cxtepimoly of your vlareuncar, as well as the titipsoansron of vlewos.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
It jlelios me wehn otoncejibs of tihs arnesmotst icjtreent aognsmt the niootn taht "can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm" aepipls urelnsliavy. Nlciey dnoe!
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And that was after staring at some of those words for a couple minutes, looking like a monkey doing a math problem. Durrrrr...
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It jollies me when objections of this assortment interject amongst the notion that "can still read it without problem" applies universally. Nicely done!|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The factual validity of this assertion depends both on the length and complexity of your vernacular, as well as the ??? of vowels.
It jollies me when ??? of this ??? ??? amongst the notion that "can still read it without problem" applies universally. Nicely done! ... And that was after staring at some of those words for a couple minutes, looking like a monkey doing a math problem. Durrrrr... |
... grammar much?
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Don't hate! I had to use a quote verbatim from the original argument. Without that quote, the sentence is just fine grammatically.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
... grammar much?
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I actually intentionally jumbled the words in a way that's difficult to read just to make a point that the stated "scientific" experiment is very biassed. Long words which are more rarely used and difficult to assert from context - like the word "assert" as I used it - will be much harder to "guess" from a faulty spelling, especially when that spelling clumps vowels together and creates new constructs, like swapping an "-ity" suffix word with an "-oly" suffix word just because the donor word had an O and an L in it.|
Originally Posted by Prof_Radburn
As I left school some 45 years ago I find this sort of writing to either be done by a person whose first language is not English or someone who is to lazy to use the spell check,and they wonder why so many of the younger generation cannot read or write no disrespect to you Samuel as i know you are just using this as an example.
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Furthermore, this exercise assumes that words will be letter-swapped in ways that don't alter their meaning, but as the DamnYouAutoCorrect site will tell you, it's pretty easy to typo so that you swap entire words, oftentimes swapping the entire meaning of a sentence. Swapping a single letter could turn "I'm going to bug your wife." in the sense of ask her about something, into "I'm going to hug your wife." which may have a very different connotation.
Not to mention that some people - like myself - tend to read a few words ahead, expecting a certain meaning, and become confused to not find it. Telling me "our developers doing something new" is confusing, until I realise it's missing a question mark and "our" is actually "are." In neither case is this a proper sentence, but I am incapable of parsing it correctly if I - as a foreign speaker - happen to pronounce the word "our" more like "hour" and less like the letter R.
People assume that just because someone can decrypt someone else's illiterate scribble within an environment of solid context, that this can somehow translate to deciphering the same with no context at all. When someone in Help chat suddenly pipes up, asking (I assume) "how u do cot" then what am I to assume? That he's asking how to have sexual intercourse with the Circle of Thorns or that he's trying to find out which contact will hand out the Caverns of Transcendence Trial?
I will always stand on the side of proper, clear communication, because when I don't know what the hug someone is talking about, there is ZERO chance I'm going to piece it together out of netspeak and good intentions.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Man, if I had a dollar for every time I've gone the wrong way on that one.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
When someone in Help chat suddenly pipes up, asking (I assume) "how u do cot" then what am I to assume? That he's asking how to have sexual intercourse with the Circle of Thorns or that he's trying to find out which contact will hand out the Caverns of Transcendence Trial?
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Is that a pun or a typo?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[...] because when I don't know what the hug someone is talking about [...]
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That should be "too lazy"
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Originally Posted by Prof_Radburn
As I left school some 45 years ago I find this sort of writing to either be done by a person whose first language is not English or someone who is to lazy
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| they wonder why so many of the younger generation cannot read or write no disrespect to you Samuel as i |
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| know you are just using this as an example.Perhaps |
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| just an old fashioned fogey but seeing the way my granddaughters are being taught with this "new phonetic" way of teaching they are having trouble reading and spelling.So |
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| the fact you have 15 and 16 year olds having trouble with the simple stuff in life is no surprise. |
Before anyone decides to follow in my footsteps, realize that it was old before I posted this.
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This is missing a period. It goes inside the quotation marks.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
That should be "too lazy"
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you are missing a space
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space goes here
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See me after class please.
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Minor misspellings are not a problem, grammatical errors are not a problem as long as they're not too egregious - as has been said, many people are not native English speakers and many native English speakers are functionally illiterate - the problem comes when sentences are completely indecipherable and/or take genuine effort in order to decipher.
The problem also occurs when people fundamentally misuse the language by saying things such as "I could care less about X". Those people should be killed.
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I could care less about you're sentiment irregardless because that's not hardly the case! (-:
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
The problem also occurs when people fundamentally misuse the language by saying things such as "I could care less about X". Those people should be killed.
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Typos, spelling errors, etc in chat don't bother me. Lack of capitalization and punctuation in chat doesn't bother me. Incomplete sentences in chat don't bother me.
What does bother me is crap like "r u lft" in chat, and outside of chat, where you have all the time in the world to type a response, it drives me absolutely bat****. If you do it, I'm not going to bother to read what you wrote, if you do it routinely you will go on my ignore list, and I don't expect anyone else to read what you wrote either.
No, "English is not my first language" isn't an excuse, because you're lying. ESL people are capable of typing out full words, and many of them have better spelling and grammar than you.
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Unless it goes outside the quotation marks, as I believe it should in British (and likely Canadian) punctuation if the punctuation is not part of the quoted phrase.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
This is missing a period. It goes inside the quotation marks.
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honestly the thing that bothers me more is when someone corrects a very minor spelling error when the meaning of the word is easily understood. The only time I ever correct myself in chat is when I make an error that could cause confusion over what I was actually trying to say.
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
The problem also occurs when people fundamentally misuse the language by saying things such as "I could care less about X". Those people should be killed.
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Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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I've been trying to budget my profanities for when one is really necessary or for when one would have the biggest impact. The rest of the time, I'll use word-swaps that either imply a meaning, carry a similar sound or just come out goofy overall. My favourite so far is the term "cluster-hug," but that's just self-praise talking.
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Is that a pun or a typo?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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The only thing that annoys me about poor spelling in chat, is spelling Nazi's.
Those people need to seriously get a life.
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I had a small exchange over the global channels the other day about the "shorthand" and typos that occur so frequently in chat.
Then I came across this:
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.
Dunno about you folks, but I read that mess just as easy as if it were written correctly.
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