Discussion: Divided We Fall
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Posted on: 2011-09-07 11:12 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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She's only got two shenanigans. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
hell dealing with Mother Mayhem and all her shenanigans will be bad enough!
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On the other hand, those are some REALLY big shenanigans.
(and no, I'm NOT sorry)
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Well, if that were the case, there would be no real need for Cole to argue with Duray, given that he killed him anyway.
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Originally Posted by Daio
That short story implied, very subtly, that Cole, or someone connected to Cole, has the capability to modify memories. Who is to say that Cole didn't implant the idea in Duray's mind (omgz, inception!), of using the Hamidon Seeds - then in front of his own troops, pin the blame firming on Duray, making Cole look like the level-headed benevolent leader to those who follow him, while still getting the more murky methods of attacking Primal Earth that he wanted.
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So is Colonel Duray the jetpack hander-outer, then? Non-flying characters are going to have to get up to that Seed somehow!
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I lol'd|
Originally Posted by je_saist
She's only got two shenanigans.
On the other hand, those are some REALLY big shenanigans. (and no, I'm NOT sorry) |
At work
My co-workers are looking at me like I'm nuts.
that is all.
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It seemed like a pretty standard George S. Patton to me...
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Originally Posted by Daio
I'm new to the whole story discussion thing here, despite playing CoH for years. But someone alluded to something early in the thread that nobody has really touched on.
That short story implied, very subtly, that Cole, or someone connected to Cole, has the capability to modify memories. Who is to say that Cole didn't implant the idea in Duray's mind (omgz, inception!), of using the Hamidon Seeds - then in front of his own troops, pin the blame firming on Duray, making Cole look like the level-headed benevolent leader to those who follow him, while still getting the more murky methods of attacking Primal Earth that he wanted. He wipes the memory on Duray, Duray never is the better to what's happened, and Cole gets to keep playing the role of of "savior", while going about it in much more evil ways. -Daio |
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If my idea is even remotely on target, the simple benefit to the argument, is to put on a show. Call it political theatre with a bit of inception.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Well, if that were the case, there would be no real need for Cole to argue with Duray, given that he killed him anyway.
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In order for his plan to work, he needs to reinforce to his own troops, and he's doing this for benevolent reasons, and that Duray was entirely out of line. Duray, as far as he's concerned, will see the argument as sincere, as he would have no idea the idea wasn't his, so he would defend his reasons and methods.Him defending himself against Cole, and the ensuing argument, helps to reinforce the idea to those under Cole, that Cole was taking the more level-headed and rational approach, and has the best interests of Primal Earth in mind (making it more likely that while his troops are in Primal Earth, they will relay those same sentiments to the civilian population).
-Daio
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Somewhere in the skies above Sharkhead Isle
Then why would you think it was a good idea to capture Hamidon Seedlings and ship them through our dimensional portals |
Says 'seedlings' not Seed of... Just sayin'
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Exactly my thought. When this event happens, there will be two Durays, each leading the two "rescue forces" in Sharkhead and Talos.
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Originally Posted by Morgan Reed
Why, one for Talos Island and one for Sharkhead Island of course.
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First question...
What do you think happened to that guy's head when Cole hit him with the "Full force" of his fist?
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Why can out characters not be mentioned in lore more! (I am totally Kal's master, and have the souvenir to prove it)
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When...live...must have!
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True, but Cole has never struck me as "pretty standard" anything - he comes across as very calculating and meticulous over his plans, and never approaches anything directly. When/if he does approach something directly, there is a reason, which may or may not be obvious to those around him at the time.|
Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
It seemed like a pretty standard George S. Patton to me...
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I personally wouldn't put this level of deception and manipulation outside his grasp, but it more comes down to which side of the alignment table you see him shifting towards.
-Daio
Wait, now we are going to have to work with Praetorians?! In yet another "enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario? Heroes are already teaming up with Villains! Follow this: Heroes and Villains now have to team up with Praetorian IDF and Warworks in order to stop the Praetorian Devouring Earth from mutating everything Primal-side, so that Heroes and Villains can go back to fending off Praetorian IDF and Warworks, so that Heroes can go back to fighting Villains. Yes, yes, this sounds epic and all of that, but I would really rather kick Cole's keister before having to worry about the Praetorian Devouring Earth too, much less team up with Praetorian forces to defeat the DE.
Next thing ya know, we'll be teaming up with Praetorian Devouring Earth to defeat the Shivans! 
I am interested in seeing where this goes, and I am going to go ahead and say that Cole's "we must save Primal Earth" is a facade, a la the "Clean Up Galaxy City" article that was included with the torn off meteor shower article in the teaser picture a few months ago.
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Neat. Very well written.
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Same as what happens when the Hulk steps on a kitten.|
Originally Posted by Devlin_Quaid
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What do you think happened to that guy's head when Cole hit him with the "Full force" of his fist? |
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Second Question... Why can out characters not be mentioned in lore more! (I am totally Kal's master, and have the souvenir to prove it) |
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Third... When...live...must have! |
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Praetorian DE are ten times worse.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
You know, I have yet to see a Praetorian DE... are they anything like Primal's?
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Time to test out that new server hardware |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Invasion?!
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I like your theory, although not sure I agree with your understanding as subtle. |
Originally Posted by Daio
That short story implied, very subtly, that Cole, or someone connected to Cole, has the capability to modify memories. Who is to say that Cole didn't implant the idea in Duray's mind (omgz, inception!), of using the Hamidon Seeds - then in front of his own troops, pin the blame firming on Duray, making Cole look like the level-headed benevolent leader to those who follow him, while still getting the more murky methods of attacking Primal Earth that he wanted.
-Daio |
He said it, outright. Quote:
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Originally Posted by Avatea
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Cole knelt down and tapped a key on one of Durays gauntlets; a distorted voice squawked something about failing life signs and Cole interrupted the man on the other end. This is Emperor Cole to Portal Command. Colonel Virgil Duray has been killed. Erase the last month of his memories and then carry out reintegration into two new clones. Send the replacements to the location of this transponder signal, and ensure they are fully armed and ready for battle. I need them to lead my armies and save Primal Earth. |
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Yes, Tyrant using the Devouring Earth threat as a chance to play the role of the savior of humanity is a totally new tactic for him to try |
Originally Posted by El__D
What a twist!
Seriously, didn't expect this one o.o Maybe Cole isn't the huge jerkface we've been making him out to be. |
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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John "Protean" Hegner - the one who does the writing for the Incarnate storyline |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Whoever wrote that?
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
Hmm, who does Cole have on his team that plant ideas in folks' head? Hmmm I need to ask Mother about this.
So the game does have a story. Nice...very nice
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Is that the same type of 'whoa' one would use if Ronald Reagan and Keanu Reeves came busting through your front yard, broke into your house, came out back and you see Reagan hurl your poor dog at Reeves, Reeves catches then PUNTS the dog.... there's all kinds of grammar rules I'm breaking with that, but I don't care.|
Originally Posted by Benchpresser
All I can say is.....
(cue Keeanu Voice) WOAH......... |
Not after this.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
John "Protean" Hegner - the one who does the writing for the Incarnate storyline
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What....that...it....
How can he produce such greatness here and such utter rot for the Puddle of Mild Annoyance, then?!
John, I want a word ¬¬
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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The repeated use of "required" in the next-to-last paragraph is awkward, and "He was dead before he hit the wall 50 meters behind him" is a little overbearing with the pronouns.
/grammar off
Otherwise, not at all bad. Not here to nit-pick. Also, my sentence fragments.
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That short story implied, very subtly, that Cole, or someone connected to Cole, has the capability to modify memories. Who is to say that Cole didn't implant the idea in Duray's mind (omgz, inception!), of using the Hamidon Seeds - then in front of his own troops, pin the blame firming on Duray, making Cole look like the level-headed benevolent leader to those who follow him, while still getting the more murky methods of attacking Primal Earth that he wanted.
He wipes the memory on Duray, Duray never is the better to what's happened, and Cole gets to keep playing the role of of "savior", while going about it in much more evil ways.
-Daio
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