Discussion: Divided We Fall


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Well, if that were the case, there would be no real need for Cole to argue with Duray, given that he killed him anyway.
Tyrant is very keen to project a certain image to his followers and his enemies - just compare the loyalist propaganda posters with their "our guardian" and "hero" slogans to the Arachnos poster with their "obey and live" slogans - Tyrant rules with an "obey or live" policy, but unlike Recluse, he doesn't want to give people the impression that he's a villain.


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Firstly: oooooOOOOOOooooo. Colour me intrigued.

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Yes, Tyrant using the Devouring Earth threat as a chance to play the role of the savior of humanity is a totally new tactic for him to try
It worked once already. No reason to think it won't work on a new audience in a different venue. Aside from PC's, and a select few NPC's, the general populace of Primal doesn't have a clue about the true nature of Cole and Praetoria.



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What....that...it....


How can he produce such greatness here and such utter rot for the Puddle of Mild Annoyance, then?!

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Aside from PC's, and a select few NPC's, the general populace of Primal doesn't have a clue about the true nature of Cole and Praetoria.
And neither do most Paretorians:

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"Emperor Cole is a savior, but others know there's more to the story that isn't written in the history books. Most citizens of Praetorian Earth respect him or even love him. Some who know the truth fear him, and fewer still dare to stand against the lies. No matter what he is called in the halls of power or history books, no one can stop the hushed whispers in the streets and back alleys of his empire where he is called by another name...Tyrant."


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What a twist!

Seriously, didn't expect this one o.o Maybe Cole isn't the huge jerkface we've been making him out to be.

Also, Duray got Falcon Paunched.
Cole: FALCON PUNCH!
Duray: O.O (CRACK! BAM!)

heh...if only that was what they actually said....*PS: the 'CRACK!' is the sound of Duray's face being broken in EVERY LAST BONE and the 'BAM!' is him smacking the wall..lifeless XD*


 

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Holy crap! Did not see that coming. Very nicely written. -- so when is a new City of Heroes novel coming out?

In any case, sounds like we have a fun event coming up soon!

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That was pretty neat, but in the first paragraph, are you sure you weren't looking for "neophyte?" A neonate is an infant.

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It's down to your personal taste -snip-
What, the personal taste that the Well is a god-moding, rail-roading meta-game kick in the fork for all the RPers and Lore hounds that have ever given a damn, by making every single character reliant on the Puddle of Annoyance for further power and making it not only sentient, not only capable of godmoding characters directly, but ALSO being as dense as two very short, thick planks and-

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As I read this I began thinking that Cole and Grand Admiral Thrawn have a bit in common.
I was thinking more of real Star Wars rather than fake Star Wars - Tyrant basically tells Duray that he was a clumsy as he was stupid, and that he's failed him for the last time, then kills him in fornt of his own men - I guess that's the standard way to deal with problems in an evil empire


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I hear THAT goliath and yup...*looks at the passage from Divided we Fall* Yeeeah..he got murderized pretty DAMN GOOD! I couldn't have done better myself!


 

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Wouldn't the bone in Duray's face simply shatter into dust from the impact?


 

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So who is Mortimer Kal's mysterious liege? Someone in the CoT? Mender Silos? the letter writer? I don't get it.


 

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It wouldn't even be a huge shock if he saw the error of his ways.
And sacrifices himself in battle with the Hamidon


@Golden Girl

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I find this very interesting.

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Good point raised. In fact, exactly how did Cole know how far to go back in erasing Duray's memories? Duray may have been planning this for a year or more, yet gives the instruction to go back a very specific the last month.


 

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Cole isn't modifying Duray's memories in the sense that he's rewriting them. Look at it this way. A clone of a living being will be born with zero knowledge and zero memory of its DNA donor. If you want that clone to think it is the original, you have to put that knowledge and those memories into it. Either they are extracting the memories from the dead Duray, although that seems unlikely since Cole crushed his lil head, or they have some sort of near-real time memory recording method which Cole puts on all his key troops just in case.

When the new clones are grown in growth acceleration chambers, a la the Olympian Guard, the neural programming is uploaded to their brains. The techs doing the process would then just remove the tapes of the last 30 days so Duray doesn't have any idea how badly he's screwed up over the last month. This keeps him from losing confidence and, maybe, questioning Cole's ultimate plan.

I've no doubt that Cole could have planted the idea for the Hami Seeds being sent to Primal Earth in Duray pointy-little head. With all the brainwashing tech and psionics at his disposal, it would be an easy enough task and he wouldn't need to keep killing Duray, although he might be doing that anyway just for fun. If he did plant the idea, then the whole thing was one huge play put on to keep rumors flowing through the troops that Cole is badass but caring. On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that he's just being an opportunist. Duray screwed up; his plan was lousy and counter to Cole's orders. Cole is picking up the pieces and making the best of the situation.

As for Cole not being such a villain, keep in mind that this is the guy who, as far as we know, killed his best friend then had the unmitigated gall to marry said friend's sister. That's villainy on a Shakespearean level.


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Man, why must Tyrant be such a badass?
Perhaps the author of that piece could give you an answer:

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"Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth's greatest hero to become Praetoria Earth's greatest villain."


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So who is Mortimer Kal's mysterious liege? Someone in the CoT? Mender Silos? the letter writer? I don't get it.
It's the villain who ran his SF. You're currently holding his daughter as a permanent hostage to ensure his 'cooperation.' He's letting YOU know that we're about to be invaded so you can get your stuff together and go gung-ho on it... and hopefully learn a bit about his daughter in the process.

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As for Cole not being such a villain, keep in mind that this is the guy who, as far as we know, killed his best friend then had the unmitigated gall to marry said friend's sister. That's villainy on a Shakespearean level.
He's also set up an empire built on and propped up by mass-murder, torture, brain-washing and slavery, and is currently trying to conquer the entire multiverse - so the moral verdict on him still has to be "quite naughty".


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No, he didn't want to leave a huge as f**k mess on the floor...if he EXPLODED his skull that would have killed him too well....so instead he broke the crainium, caused the cartilige *AND THIS IS THE ONLY POINT YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE WHOLE "to Dust" THING* to be shattered until there is nothing left, the neck would have snapped from the force and the speed he was going, and to top it off his brain pretty much was crushed in the remains of Duray's now near non-existant skull, a QUADRUPLE WHAMMY!


 

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The repeated use of "required" in the next-to-last paragraph is awkward, and "He was dead before he hit the wall 50 meters behind him" is a little overbearing with the pronouns.

/grammar off

Otherwise, not at all bad. Not here to nit-pick. Also, my sentence fragments.
No, please, do go on. This thing needed a proofreading pass. Not nearly as badly as the last one, but it did need one.

Also, Cole's dialogue sounded less like a tyrant punishing an insubordinate underling and more like a hissy fit. Sure, not every supervillain has to refer to himself in the third person IN CAPITAL LETTERS, but the man is 100 years old and having him say stuff like "are you a moron?" just makes it seem like the writer doesn't actually have a grasp on his character and just tried to make him talk "like a normal person" even though he isn't one.

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It worked once already. No reason to think it won't work on a new audience in a different venue. Aside from PC's, and a select few NPC's, the general populace of Primal doesn't have a clue about the true nature of Cole and Praetoria.
Because the "we're trying to defend a world that hates and fears us because they're stupid enough to believe anything a villain with good publicity tells them and have the memory of a goldfish" thing has been done to death. Not that that means it won't work, just that it shouldn't work, for the sake of my head and my desk.


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So who is Mortimer Kal's mysterious liege? Someone in the CoT? Mender Silos? the letter writer? I don't get it.

Samuraiko beat me to it.


 

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Holy crap! Did not see that coming.
In the 1-20 GR content, players can run itno Maelstrom who's on a personal misison from Tyrant himself to plant beacons to summon the Devouring Earth to kill the magistrates who sympathize with the Resistance, removing them and giving Tyrant the chance to swoop in and save the day again from the Devouring Earth - and he's been pulling that trick since the Hamidon Wars


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"we're trying to defend a world that hates and fears us because they're stupid enough to believe anything a villain with good publicity tells them and have the memory of a goldfish"
The Praetorian people are being drugged to be passive and accepting


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Wouldn't the bone in Duray's face simply shatter into dust from the impact?
So you missed the bit where Cole had to wipe his glove clean?


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