Crashless Nukes *Might* Happen

Assuming the devs agree with Arcanaville's theory that current crashing nukes are grossly underpowered (I was convinced), I see 3 possible solutions:

A) Giving a massive increase to a nuke's damage (at least doubling it), increasing the target cap from 16 to 24, keeping the endurance crash and the 360 second recharge, making a crashing nuke much more powerful and reliable than it currently is.

B) Keeping the damage and the crash, but lowering the recharge to 60 seconds like RoA and Full Auto, so that blasters can nuke once per spawn as long as they have blue inspirations.

C) Lowering the damage, removing the crash and lowering the recharge to 60/90/120 seconds, turning them into clones of RoA, Full Auto and HoB.

IMO, any of these options would offer interesting options in a blaster's playstyle. A) would let a nuke keep its status as a panic button, while B) and C) would help a blaster raise his value as a damage dealer in teams, and likely increase the BOOM-SHAKALAKA fun factor as well.

Good news, I think. Wait and see?

Stupid question, whats the actualy use of the T9 nukes (crash ones) if you have a Incarnate version that recharges way faster, does avarage more dmg (due hitcap) and has no penalty?

If they would put them all on 1 line, i rather see Full Auto being AoE also, in terms of efficiency it will become the most weakest (cone-target based).

Pulling them down on damage will nearly make them par with mini-nukes such as Omega movement (no drain), shieldcharge and lightning rod. What once used to be 'unique' and 'GO DOWN NOW!' power, will become some mediocre power that nearly everyone already has.

I rather see them pick up the sniper powers first (specialy AR with LRM mission and sniper), they have little to no value anymore.

I think the current "crashing" nukes are pretty useless on Corruptors/Defenders. They drop your toggles (buffs, debuffs) and without finding a way to recover your end you can't provide any support for some time. I would be in total support of those version of the nukes being given the Fortunata treatment of Psychic Wail. I really find it to be counter-productive for a tier 9 power to hamstring all the other power choices that make up an AT. It really feels like how MoG used to be, when it was up, it made the rest of regen useless rather than synergizing with it.

Now on blasters I think this is less of an issue since with the higher damage mod, dmg cap and BU+Aim the nukes are at their peak. Also, a blasters main focus is to deal damage, so the crash doesn't have the same potential to hurt a team like it does on the support ATs.

Even though it's less of an issue for blaster, I still think the current state of the game doesn't favor the old nukes. I think the Devs understand this by the changes to their design philosophy. If you aren't making new sets with "crashing" nukes ,because you understand they aren't efficient, then it only makes sense that the old ones are due for a re-design.

My first character that I created when this game came out was an Energy/Energy Blaster, he will forever hold a special place in my heart.

That being said, I don't care what changes the folks over at Paragon Studios decide to make except for one:

When I run up to an AV and I summon all of my power and strength and let loose with a Nova, I EXPECT the knock back to make him go flying. The same goes for Giant Monsters.

I can't remember ever seeing an AV get knocked back from any of my Novas, nor do I think that could in any way be gamed to keep an AV from fighting back, the recharge is simply too long to make that happen, even on a team of 8 blasters you couldn't do it.

I'm 100% against it.

Nukes are supposed to leave a Blaster exhausted.

Everytime I think of a Nuke power, I picture a Blaster with his outfit all rip apart, bleeding all over, gathering energy for one last devastating attack. Heck, I'd even argue a big slice of the HP bar should also be gone after the nuke.

If I were to change crash nukes, I'd go with something like this:

- End crash and -endrecovery (just as it is now)
- 80% of the HP would be gone after the nuke
- While the power is activating, the hero should either have a huge resistance boost or be phased. Why? Because it makes sense that a Blaster willing to gather all his energy for one last strike should be more resilient and have the willpower to resist all incoming damage in order to fulfill his purpose.

This is how a nuke should work, imo.

Six or half-dozen. If it changes, I'd simply adjust my playstyle accordingly and move on.

On a purely selfish, dev-centered angle, I'd say "no" just so they don't have to deal with the inevitable fallout from the swarms of obnoxiously vocal players who aren't as adaptable.

The main thing I'd like to see changed about all powers that reduce you to zero End is for your toggles to say on. I can't stand being detoggled. I love the change they made to being mezzed so that you don't detoggle. It's easy enough to pop a blue after nuking but it's the 10 seconds of retoggling after that that annoys the heck out of me. If they made that single change, I'd nuke whenever it was recharged. As it is, I rarely use nukes.

My primary complaint is the retoggling. Make that automatic or just reduce the crash to MOST of the stamina.

I don't have anything salient to add to this discussion (I should preface every post with that line, but anyway)...


I thought of a power gimmick that we don't currently see in CoH. We have PBAoE powers that teleport us into the mobs to deal damage such as Shield Charge and Lightning Rod. We don't have any powers that deal their effects then TP us out of danger. Imagine a PBAoE attack such as a nuke that drains all endurance but then TPs us to a targeted location far away and out of danger.

You jump in and click the power giving you a targeting reticule, you select an area and click. BOOM! You explode, then instantly TP out of dodge. Or the power works like a double TP. You TP into the spawn, blow up, then TP back to your starting location automatically.

Just a random thought.