What is the Kheldian surprise?

I used Proton Scatter a lot on my Human Form PB this weekend. As the only AoE that doesn't have KB, I did everything I could to make it worthwhile (procs, recharge, etc.)

something interesting to note with the new light form:

i'm not sure if this happens in other godmode crashes, but apparently the crash for light form will always leave you at 50% health regardless of what your current health is. meaning that if you're about to die and light form crashes, you'll be restored to 50% health (though most likely without endurance and definitely without mez protection)

however, because it always restores you to 50% health it means that an emergency dwarf shift at the end of every crash mostly negates negate the "WHOOPS I DIED" part of it as you maintain the mez protection and lets you pop ageless destiny to restore your endurance and heal yourself (and then pop light form if you're teetering on the edge of keeping it permanent)

if you're a humanform only peacebringer it might be wise to take dwarf form as your very last power if they don't change how the crash on light form functions from now to live.

it's a really strange design phenomenon, and i very much wonder if it's on purpose.

I thought the one thing unique about PB was that we get flight right at the start while other ATs have to wait till lvl 14.

Now that everyone is getting travel powers at lvl 4 and its pretty easy to hit lvl 4. I feel PB should be at least compensated with new powers to make up for that loss of uniqueness..

So, Solar Flare is keeping Knockback, in all it's personal and teammate annoying glory, because doing otherwise would make a PB too powerfu compared to a Tank/Brute with Footstomp!!!

Am I reading this right?

I don't take the shield toggles, myself. I respeced them out back when any mez dropped all toggles because they were about as useful as the Vet reward buff pet. A PB get's a 0.5 sec stun from most mobs just looking at him, then down go the toggles.

Once they let toggles stay up when mezzed, I put them back in for about a week and then took them out again. It's so easy to cap resist, why bother with End Guzzling toggles that give little, if any, benefit? Instead, I've taken to power pools to try to fix things. Tough makes the resistances about as well as all three toggles combined, add Stealth, Combat Jumping, Maneuvers, and Weave for Defense and I think I have better survivability (although worse End Guzzling). Now, slot a Luck of the Gambler 7.5 in each of those defense sets as well as seek other Rech friendly I/O's and I have a mono-form PB with only three melee attacks, but not much interruption in the attack chain. I'll need to throw in a Sands of Mu or one of the ranged attacks from time to time to keep the assault going, but lots of power. All I had to do was spend a billion in influence and ignore half of the secondary power set in favor of pool powers. I can even be affective in groups of mobs encountered while the Shield Charges and the Ionic Judgements are cooling down.

I don't even mind chasing mobs after Solar Flare (although it annoys teammates more than I like to). I might even accept this (even though every other power in the game is KD instead) if the mobs would actually bounce off walls instead of through them.

Speaking of ITF's, was on one yesterday and Solar Flared a healer into the wall preventing us from freeing a Sibyl. PBAoE attacks do not seem to hit stuff stuck in walls like they used to, we sat around and waited. KB would not be so bad if you could use it up against the wall with the expectation that the mob would still be targetable once he got back to his feet.

Okay, great. They've managed to take away all the things I actually like about PBs and we still aren't as good as VEATs not to mention that people continue not to want us on teams because of our wonderful nemesis Quantum/Void/Cysts showing up at the worst possible times. Mission accomplished.

PBs so overpowered that we can't have the option of doing knockdown instead of knockback? Now I've heard everything.

I'm SHOCKED SHOCKED by that post from the Arbiter.

/sarcasm

I should also have noted earlier that I would be more than glad to get human form more like Scrappers, at least for damage. I'd be more than willing to get some hard caps in there for resists to compensate, and/or adjustments to Cosmic Balance to even things out consistently. Which is again a big issue for Khelds and balance, kind of like Dominators and Domination before their fix. And Nova really could be more blasteriffic... I wonder if they could rework Dawn Strike to be an add-on for Nova only, so it wouldn't throw off human's balance? I actually would not mind that, if Human were fixed up as well.

Probably hoping for too much, as that would be a change to powerset order, etc., something they don't generally do. I do think Kheldians kind of need such a big adjustment, though, to even them out.

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Originally Posted by EvilGeko I used Proton Scatter a lot on my Human Form PB this weekend. As the only AoE that doesn't have KB, I did everything I could to make it worthwhile (procs, recharge, etc.)

I've just never been able to justify it in build because of its weak damage. I might try fitting it in once we get three extra slots... that's also been a problem for me with fitting it in.

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Originally Posted by Socorro So, Solar Flare is keeping Knockback, in all it's personal and teammate annoying glory, because doing otherwise would make a PB too powerfu compared to a Tank/Brute with Footstomp!!! Am I reading this right?

That's how it sounds to me as well, which we all responded to right away. And Solar Flare is analagous to Foot Stomp only outside of Rage on Tanks, and of course Brutes can count on Rage and Fury (while we cannot count on our inherent to always be boosting our damage, even on a large team). Brutes are also well known offensive juggernauts, so I really fail to see the comparison at all.

Adding to the strange connection that statement makes, Dwarf Form is what relates to Tanks, clearly. Human form is a little confused, but it's closer to Scrappers and Stalkers than Tanks. Solar Flare should be stronger than Foot Stomp for tanks, and it really isn't at this point, especially with the KB.

In my opinion, human form is most analogous to a Dominator Assault set. A mix of range and melee with a couple of utility thrown in for flavor.

Thankfully, I finally got my PB to 50. Going to finish the Ramiel arc just in case they ever fix these things right, but other than that, I'm done. Peacebringers are fine in teams. They usually have enough buffs from Balance to make them work quite well. But they have all this KB.

In a haze of grinding, I wasn't even trying to use Solar Flare well and wound up knocking a group of Red Caps out of a Tar Patch. And then when chasing another, I got out of range of the healer (which was OK, I healed myself). The defender in question just got a laugh out of it. I play in SG groups a lot and they know I know how to play. I was just too tired of this character to give a crap.

Don't suppose there's any chance of us getting the A. Hawk (or Any dev) to comment on this stuff again in this thread is there?

I swear I've seen less and less communication from them over past few years.

Agreed S_J.

Guess its gather more dust on my PB.

Couple last comments.

My suggested changes.
1. KB to KD. (one fix would be to increase the mag gain from slotting KB enhancements) (or null the gull ability to toggle between KB and KD)
2. PBs should have some team wide buffing ability. Very sad that villain EATs are wonderful teamers/party buffers with double leadership. While HEATs don't help the team much at all buff wise. (if anything make the team slower with excessive KB) While the PB has incentive to be part of a team, the team doesn't have much incentive to invite a PB.

Well, this probably will further confuse us. Anyone see what the current special IO is for the Kheldian set? Picture is below. I just... Nova is great for more damage, but the last thing human form needs is more damage resistance. I am so confused as to who is designing these things and why.

I know they're not the final thing at this point, but it's still odd.

The interesting thing about Kheldian Grace is that going by just the name, both PBs and WSs get the same thing despite the fact that they play quite differently.