Early review of Capt. America: Favorable
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Posted on: 2011-07-20 24:50 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
And now I'm confused...
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Captain America: Steve Rogers, and James "Bucky" Barnes first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 back in the 40's. The cover has Cap punching out Adolph. The series would run 78 issues plus they'd appear in other series at the time. The both survived the war and kept up the fight against evil, in 1948 Bucky was shot and badly wounded and had to retire. Cap's girl friend at the time, Betsy Ross (yes that was her name), would become the new sidekick Golden Girl. This would last until the end of the series. This series was produced by Timely/Atlas the predecessors to Marvel comics.
Marvel Comics arises from the ashes of Timely/Atlas.
It was decided to bring Captain America into the new Marvel Universe, so it was retconned that he was frozen in ice at the end of the war on his last mission and the last thing he was saw was the booby trapped plane exploding with Bucky on it. The Avengers find him, he revives, is a bit confused and not in the best of moods at the moment, but confirms that he is indeed CAPTAIN AMERICA.
However this retcon completely skewed the history of Cap as it doesn't fit with the Timely/Atlas series. So it was decided that after Cap was frozen and presumed killed in action, that President Wilson asks the adventurer called Spirit of 76 to take over as Captain America and a kid named Fred Davis that impersonated Bucky previously to be the new Bucky. They both resembled the originals enough to carry on the roles so that people wouldn't despair that Captain America was dead.
So we now have: Captain America 2, once known as the Spirit of 76, name was William Naslund and Fred Davis as Bucky 2. For whatever reason they decided to have Naslund killed early in his career as Captain America, he was dying after his ribcage was crushed fighing the android Adam 2. Jeffrey Mace, the hero called the Patriot finds him and takes up the identity of Captain America.
So now we have Captain America 3: Jeffery Mace once known as the Patriot, with Fred Davis as Bucky 2 helping to train Mace on Cap's history and how to emulate Cap's behavior to keep up the act. They would serve with the All Winners Squad after the war as well as fight local crime.
Now the year is 1948 and thanks to all the retconning, it is Fred Davis as Bucky 2 that is shot and too wounded to keep serving as Bucky. Mace's girlfriend Betsy Ross becomes his new sidekick. Mace eventually retires as Captain America.
Reference the 2010 miniseries: Captain America: Patriot for more info on Mace as Cap including the revelation that Betsy Ross is related to General Ross from the Hulk.
Captain America 4: also known as the Captain America of the 1950's or 50's Cap. This was a person who grew up worshiping Captain America and wanted to be like him. He studied Cap and all his adventures and eventually finds the lost Super Soldier Serum in an old german notebook. He contacts the govt and they setup a plan for him to be the new Cap and that he would fight in Korea. He is surgically altered to look and sound like Steve Rogers and legally changes his name to Steve Rogers as well. The plan was aborted when the Korean war ended and he becomes a teacher. He meets a student, Jack Monroe, who is also a Cap fan. They take the serum and become the new Cap and Bucky to fight the evil commies. They become insane and are put in cryo until they can be cured. After Rogers returns as Captain America they eventuially get released and face the man they once idolized. Cap 4 gets beaten, Jack gets eventually cured and becomes Nomad. Cap 4 is presumed killed after being brain twisted into becoming a villain. Cap 4 was brought back in recent years and is again presumed killed.
Captain America 5: John Walker aka the Super Patriot. Is assigned the identity by the govt after Rogers quits as Cap. However his ID was outed and he watched as his parent were gunned down. He kinda went a bit crazy from that and would start using lethal force. His friend Lemar Hoskins would be the 4th Bucky albeit very briefly. This was due Lemar being black and the term "buck" being racist so he was changed into the hero known as Battlestar. John Walker would eventually become the USAgent.
Captain America 6: the original Bucky. Having been brought back as the Russian super soldier called the Winter Soldier until his memories were restored, Bucky became the new Cap when Rogers was presumed dead. After Rogers returns, he asks Bucky to keep being Cap until he is brought to trial for his crimes as Winter Soldier. He was found not guilty in American courts but deemed to controversial to keep being Captain America. However it was as Captain America that he was killed in the FEAR ITSELF mega event.
Captain America 7: a recent story had a soldier augmented to near superhuman strength and speed and setup as the new Captain America. Steve Rogers, commander of Shield now, wasn't too thrilled with this and had him under surveillance. This new Cap was quickly abducted by AIM and was going to be killed until he was saved by Rogers. Rogers then tells him to quit being Captain America as he is unfit for the role. It was then shown to be a secret plan of Nick Fury's to set this new Cap up to fail to help goad Rogers into returning to being Captain America. This plus Bucky perishing in FEAR prompted Rogers to suit up once again.
I loved it! It was everything I wanted to be, and the only thing that could have made it better was if it were longer.
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Just came back from it. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It was slightly better than Thor because of the characterization. So far, Marvel hasn't dropped the ball on any of their films, which makes it all the more disappointing that DC has only the Batman films to offer up. I really wish they'd get their **** together.
Also, it was nice to see the Avengers teaser at the end. It just sucks for all the folks who actually left the theater thinking we weren't getting a stinger.
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I'll be seeing it later today, but I have another question regarding the easter eggs:
At any time was their a song playing that started with the lyrics "When Captain America throws his mighty shield......."
Maybe during one of the USO numbers. Honestly I wasn't listening for it like the classic 60s Spiderman song.
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I loved this movie so much! It was everything I was hoping for. The Avengers movie next year is going to blow me away.
Then again, I might be biased.. after all, Captain America is one of my favorite Marvel heroes.
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Saw it last night and went in with some pretty high expectations, and for the most part this movie nailed them. Was very cool seeing all the easter eggs thrown in there for the fans (really Stan, a 4 star General? pfft. :P ) Also glad to see that red Skull looked good and that the shield throwing looked damned awesome. I even genuinely felt bad for him when they first used him as a propaganda tool.
I had a couple minor gripes, but nothing that kept me from enjoying the movie. Definitely going to be picking up the soundtrack. though not a fan of 'Star spangled Man', the rest of the score pretty cool. dont know when im gonna be able to get around to it again, but im gonna definitely try to make time to see this one in theaters again.
If only to try and sate my cravings for next years Avengers movie.
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Saw it last night and went in with some pretty high expectations, and for the most part this movie nailed them. Was very cool seeing all the easter eggs thrown in there for the fans (really Stan, a 4 star General? pfft. :P ) Also glad to see that red Skull looked good and that the shield throwing looked damned awesome. I even genuinely felt bad for him when they first used him as a propaganda tool.
I had a couple minor gripes, but nothing that kept me from enjoying the movie. Definitely going to be picking up the soundtrack. though not a fan of 'Star spangled Man', the rest of the score pretty cool. dont know when im gonna be able to get around to it again, but im gonna definitely try to make time to see this one in theaters again. If only to try and sate my cravings for next years Avengers movie. |
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I don't know if i was hearing things or not. But near the end, a shield agent (played by Amanda Righetti, who is in the Avengers also) radios of Rogers running and mentions this is Agent 13....IMDB has her labeled just as Shield Agent. Nice they put Sharon Carter in it.
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I thought she said "Code 13," but she did look like her.
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Originally Posted by SusieVir
I don't know if i was hearing things or not. But near the end, a shield agent (played by Amanda Righetti, who is in the Avengers also) radios of Rogers running and mentions this is Agent 13....IMDB has her labeled just as Shield Agent. Nice they put Sharon Carter in it.
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Saw it today. I have to say that it is my favourite of the four founding Avengers' movies. Followed by Thor, Iron Man, and Incredible Hulk.
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Saw it this weekend and loved it! Totally pumped for Avengers but, more than that, I want a Cap II where he meets Sharon Carter.
That's gonna be movie gold, right there.
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She was saying Code 13 and was likely disguised to resemble/look like Peggy. Remember, Fury does tell him they wanted to ease him into modern times since he's been on ice for 70 years
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Originally Posted by SusieVir
Minor Spoilers...
I don't know if i was hearing things or not. But near the end, a shield agent (played by Amanda Righetti, who is in the Avengers also) radios of Rogers running and mentions this is Agent 13....IMDB has her labeled just as Shield Agent. Nice they put Sharon Carter in it. |
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Or else Hugo was informed that the Red Skull wears the mask all the time and shoved extra cash his way |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Greatest thing about the Red Skull...they have an actor who didn't feel they had to have the mask on all the time, so the actor could get face time.
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But at least he did wear the mask all the time unlike Stallone as Dredd minus the helmet....
Saw the movie and loved it. I was actually upset when it ended because I was so caught up in the movie I never noticed the time passing by. I left the film wanting more.
This movie is awesome, it totally exceeded my exceptions and is my vote for best Comic Book movie of 2011.
Saw the movie today and really enjoyed it (apart from the idiot who felt it necessary to clap for every action scene). I loved the fight choreography for Cap and his shield.
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I wonder if they'll be a part in the Avengers movie where Cap refuses to kill. Could be one of the points of friction between the members.
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I wonder if they'll be a part in the Avengers movie where Cap refuses to kill. Could be one of the points of friction between the members.
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Now for a big question: Hugo Weaving aka Agent Smith plays the Red Skull.....did the Skull have a henchman or agent named Anderson? Or did they blow a good opportunity for a Matrix easter egg? I can just imagine Weaving/Skull saying "Herr Anderson" or "Mister Anderson"....
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Farewell is like the end
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Just like the movie had the plane heading to America, the same happened in the comics, but Bucky was with Cap when trying to stop it. In the comics the plane exploded, killing Bucky, Cap fell into the ice.
In the comics the US didn't want the world to know Steve Rogers died and had an immediate replacement, The Spirit of 76, who died on his 1st mission as Cap and the patriot who served in the role until afet the war [1949ish] Both of these men had a Bucky, Fred Davis I think.
So obviously a huge Cap fan, saw both made for TV cap films of the lated 70's early 80's as well as the 1st Cap movie from the 90's, LOVED this movie!
Hit just about every note a cap fan could hope for
The Jim Hammond/orignal torch easter eggg was especially funny given the Mr Evans also played Johnny Storm
And Bucky did die, the term 'bucky dead' was aroundin comics for along time. It was only in the last 4 years or so that he was brought back. so from 44 [or 63 depending on your viewpoint] till 2009 or so is a long time to be dead in the comics world
Back in the Captain America Comics of the 40's and 50's from Timely/Atlas (Marvel's previous incarnations as a company), the book always had Steve Rogers as Captain America. Both he and Bucky survived the war and would eventually fight the communists. The original Bucky, James Barnes, was shot and wounded too badly to continue as Bucky as I recall. Fred Davis becomes the next Bucky until he was shot in the leg and had a permenant limp afterwards. Cap's next partner was then a woman, whose character name escapes me.
After Marvel Comics got started, they did a story with Johnny Storm as the Torch that had a foe of his masquerading as Captain America who was exposed as a phony. At the end of the story was a caption box that asked fans if they wanted Captain America back in action. The answer was a resounding: YES. Thus comes Avengers #4, the Submariner at the time was a villain, or at least a bit deranged, and came across some Eskimos worshipping a frozen man. He drives them off and hurls the frozen person into the sea where the ice block drifted to warmer waters and began to thaw and melt. The Avengers are in their submarine searching for Submariner when they see a figure floating in the waters and pull him aboard. Beneath the torn military uniform he wore was the costume and shield of Captain America. He wakes up, a bit confused, has a brief skirmish with the Avengers until he calms down and tells the story of his last mission in the war, which was about an experimental plane being stolen by the enemy and how it was booby trapped and Bucky was killed in the explosion and Cap fell into the icy waters. This story was a major retcon from Cap's history in Captain America Comics, and part of the retcon was that Bucky was killed due to Stan Lee having an "anti sidekick philosophy" at the time.
The retcon is expanded in later years and it's shown that the Spirit of 76 and Fred Davis were asked to take over as Cap and Bucky by the President so that the public and military wouldn't be demoralized by the knowledge that Cap was gone. Spirit of 76 was killed pretty quick and Jeff Mace aka the Patriot becomes the 3rd Captain America with Fred as Bucky. Fred gets wounded and Cap gets a new partner for a time until he retires as Cap. In later years the Patriot would perish from cancer. The Cap of the 1950's, the "Commie smasher" Cap, was a man who idolized Captain America and wanted to be him to the point that he wrote essays on Cap and found an old Nazi storage area that contained a book that had the formula to the super soldier serum in it. He has himself alerted to look and sound like Rogers and the deal was that the govt would deploy him in Korea but that war ended before he was ready. He then becomes a teacher and meets another Cap fan, Jack Monroe. They decide to be the new Cap and Bucky and take the serum and fight the commies. The serum drove them nuts and they were captured and put in suspended animation. Jack eventually gets better and becomes Nomad. The other Cap would be brainwashed into becoming an enemy of Cap and be supposedly killed until he was recently brought back in the comics for a time. Last I heard was that he was killed again but of course there is always a door open for a return.
For years Bucky was on the officially unofficial DO NOT RESURRECT list until Ed Brubaker brought him back as the Winter Soldier. He is eventually rescued from that, takes over as Cap when Steve was "dead", and continued as Cap after Steve returned and was recently killed in the current FEAR ITSELF mega event. He had a hole punched through his chest so I'm not sure how they will undo that to bring him back, but of course this was also done to get Rogers back as Cap for the movie.
And now I'm confused...
But thanks for the info.
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