Early review of Capt. America: Favorable
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Posted on: 2011-07-20 24:50 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Saw it. Good solid hero movie.
One jarring bit though, at least for me. Mostly the movie seemed to be trying to be a realistic superhero movie. realistic as in Batman Begins, Iron Man or even Thor. People acting like people instead of caricatures.
But at the moment Steve went from being a symbol to being officially a hero and assembled his team the movie, or acting at least seemed to step into the exaggeration zone. It felt more like The Spirit or Batman Forever. Fortunately not Batman and Robin level though. Then once it switched back to current day it became more serious again.
Not the script, just the way people seemed to emphasize their speech and movements.
I didn't think it was bad, just caught me off guard. Possibly they just shot those scenes first since they involved all the special effects. The actors not yet being fully in sync with their characters could have been what I was seeing.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
Great movie.
If I had to pick something to nitpick, I would have liked to see a few more minutes of Cap in the present time, but that's a minor thing. Hopefully there will be a nod to his adjustment to waking up 70 years later in The Avengers.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Just got back from the movie...
It would have been better if I wasn't sitting in the 2nd to front row....was looking up at the screen the whole time....painful and annoying...thanks brother that's always late to movies! (grr 
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I thought the movie was pretty good; wasn't totally blow me away awesome but it wasn't bad.
I don't care for how they started the movie....but that's just me, I don't like movies that start out at the "end" of the movie and then go back to do the movie. But that fact was mitigated by how they ended it....so it wasn't that bad.
I would agree...it was kind of "dull" in a way I guess...there was action in it but...it was kind of glossed over I think...*shrugs*
Overall, I really liked the teaser trailer for the Avengers movie next year! 
Although in that trailer I didn't see Hulk in it....did I miss him or just not shown?
So for this year's (superhero-based) movie releases....I'd rate them like so:
1.) X-Men First Class
2.) Cap. America
3.) Thor or Green Lantern (both about the same to me; maybe a slight edge to Thor)
P.S. Oh, and what was that cube that the Red Skull had? Was it one of those "cosmic cubes" that was shown in the teaser after the Thor movie?
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I very much enjoyed the film. All the Marvel Easter Eggs were fun to see. It was well acted by everyone. It had good pacing.
***Spoilers-ish***(nothing much too specific)
I enjoyed the combat montages as a paeon to the March of War movie reels that were shown during WW2. They could have done a bit more to ID the Howling Commandos(of course Dugan was an easy spot). I believe the Brit was Percy Winkley, not Union Jack.
The revision of Cappy's erstwhile sidekick was nicely done. They might have done a bit more tie-in with the reveal in the Incredible Hulk as to how Cappy was found(which would tie-in a bit more closely to the story of the discovery a bit). He could have been thrown clear and then sunk with the wreckage that was subsequently dislodged by the groundsmash from Incredible Hulk(take the Ice cascade SSSLLLLLLOOOOWWW to see what I mean). Hmm...upon investigation into that scene, it was apparently deleted from the movie, but can be seen in the deleted scenes. So, yeah.
Captain America is my favorite hero. Specifically, Steve Rogers as Captain America. I stopped reading comic books when they chose to kill him.
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P.S. Oh, and what was that cube that the Red Skull had? Was it one of those "cosmic cubes" that was shown in the teaser after the Thor movie?
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Originally Posted by redtornado
Captain America is my favorite hero. Specifically, Steve Rogers as Captain America. I stopped reading comic books when they chose to kill him.
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I, on the other hand, was very pleased with how they presented Bucky. Bucky in the comics always bothered me, a 14-16 year old boy (totally lacking superpowers) not only going into combat, but going along with Cap's missions, which are more high-risk. That's just wrong. I thought the movie gave a much cleaner, much easier to accept version of Bucky.
| 1. Bucky seemed a lot older in the film. My teammate commented that he had hoped for younger. |
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Thanks Doughboy! 
And speaking of Bucky....I didn't think he died...again, not a comic person but...I thought Bucky was always Cap's sidekick...or is it one of those things where "Bucky" dies but the next sidekick of Cap's is named Bucky too?
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Saw it and liked it, but it solidified my like of superheros with you know super powers. I know Cap is at the physical peak of human perfection and all but i've seen action films where the Vietnam veteran turned cop out to kill the man who killed his love does just as amazing stuff...Minus the shield.
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No, there was only one Bucky and his death is a crucial part of the Capt. America mythos, just as Batman's parents' death was for that character.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Thanks Doughboy!
And speaking of Bucky....I didn't think he died...again, not a comic person but...I thought Bucky was always Cap's sidekick...or is it one of those things where "Bucky" dies but the next sidekick of Cap's is named Bucky too? |
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Just like the movie had the plane heading to America, the same happened in the comics, but Bucky was with Cap when trying to stop it. In the comics the plane exploded, killing Bucky, Cap fell into the ice.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Thanks Doughboy!
And speaking of Bucky....I didn't think he died...again, not a comic person but...I thought Bucky was always Cap's sidekick...or is it one of those things where "Bucky" dies but the next sidekick of Cap's is named Bucky too? |
Still here? Okay...I've been wondering...notice where Cap found Bucky? In the experimental lab strapped to a gurney. Might be a hint suggesting survival if some future movie suggests it. Experimental injection of some chemical concoction or such.
Regarding Bucky's age, yes my friend wished he was younger, I don't think he was hoping for 14 though, more like 18 or 19. Something practical to being in the military. I was fine with Sgt. Bucky, though it did seem at times like he was turned into a "damsel in distress" for Cap to rescue. Not a major issue though, and the character was enjoyable, not annoying.
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There were several "Buckies" The Cap of the 1950's had a Bucky, later known as nomad.|
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
No, there was only one Bucky and his death is a crucial part of the Capt. America mythos, just as Batman's parents' death was for that character
Just like the movie had the plane heading to America, the same happened in the comics, but Bucky was with Cap when trying to stop it. In the comics the plane exploded, killing Bucky, Cap fell into the ice. |
In the comics the US didn't want the world to know Steve Rogers died and had an immediate replacement, The Spirit of 76, who died on his 1st mission as Cap and the patriot who served in the role until afet the war [1949ish] Both of these men had a Bucky, Fred Davis I think.
So obviously a huge Cap fan, saw both made for TV cap films of the lated 70's early 80's as well as the 1st Cap movie from the 90's, LOVED this movie!
Hit just about every note a cap fan could hope for
The Jim Hammond/orignal torch easter eggg was especially funny given the Mr Evans also played Johnny Storm
And Bucky did die, the term 'bucky dead' was aroundin comics for along time. It was only in the last 4 years or so that he was brought back. so from 44 [or 63 depending on your viewpoint] till 2009 or so is a long time to be dead in the comics world
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Post opening weekend it's at 73. It's rare movies go up like that so whoever got early access were the wrong people watching it. You want people who will give it a positive review to help build hype.
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Originally Posted by Inazuma
As of today, it's up to 69%, which is notably better.
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Originally Posted by Exxcaliber
There were several "Buckies" The Cap of the 1950's had a Bucky, later known as nomad.
In the comics the US didn't want the world to know Steve Rogers died and had an immediate replacement, The Spirit of 76, who died on his 1st mission as Cap and the patriot who served in the role until afet the war [1949ish] Both of these men had a Bucky, Fred Davis I think. So obviously a huge Cap fan, saw both made for TV cap films of the lated 70's early 80's as well as the 1st Cap movie from the 90's, LOVED this movie! Hit just about every note a cap fan could hope for The Jim Hammond/orignal torch easter eggg was especially funny given the Mr Evans also played Johnny Storm And Bucky did die, the term 'bucky dead' was aroundin comics for along time. It was only in the last 4 years or so that he was brought back. so from 44 [or 63 depending on your viewpoint] till 2009 or so is a long time to be dead in the comics world |
Back in the Captain America Comics of the 40's and 50's from Timely/Atlas (Marvel's previous incarnations as a company), the book always had Steve Rogers as Captain America. Both he and Bucky survived the war and would eventually fight the communists. The original Bucky, James Barnes, was shot and wounded too badly to continue as Bucky as I recall. Fred Davis becomes the next Bucky until he was shot in the leg and had a permenant limp afterwards. Cap's next partner was then a woman, whose character name escapes me.
After Marvel Comics got started, they did a story with Johnny Storm as the Torch that had a foe of his masquerading as Captain America who was exposed as a phony. At the end of the story was a caption box that asked fans if they wanted Captain America back in action. The answer was a resounding: YES. Thus comes Avengers #4, the Submariner at the time was a villain, or at least a bit deranged, and came across some Eskimos worshipping a frozen man. He drives them off and hurls the frozen person into the sea where the ice block drifted to warmer waters and began to thaw and melt. The Avengers are in their submarine searching for Submariner when they see a figure floating in the waters and pull him aboard. Beneath the torn military uniform he wore was the costume and shield of Captain America. He wakes up, a bit confused, has a brief skirmish with the Avengers until he calms down and tells the story of his last mission in the war, which was about an experimental plane being stolen by the enemy and how it was booby trapped and Bucky was killed in the explosion and Cap fell into the icy waters. This story was a major retcon from Cap's history in Captain America Comics, and part of the retcon was that Bucky was killed due to Stan Lee having an "anti sidekick philosophy" at the time.
The retcon is expanded in later years and it's shown that the Spirit of 76 and Fred Davis were asked to take over as Cap and Bucky by the President so that the public and military wouldn't be demoralized by the knowledge that Cap was gone. Spirit of 76 was killed pretty quick and Jeff Mace aka the Patriot becomes the 3rd Captain America with Fred as Bucky. Fred gets wounded and Cap gets a new partner for a time until he retires as Cap. In later years the Patriot would perish from cancer. The Cap of the 1950's, the "Commie smasher" Cap, was a man who idolized Captain America and wanted to be him to the point that he wrote essays on Cap and found an old Nazi storage area that contained a book that had the formula to the super soldier serum in it. He has himself alerted to look and sound like Rogers and the deal was that the govt would deploy him in Korea but that war ended before he was ready. He then becomes a teacher and meets another Cap fan, Jack Monroe. They decide to be the new Cap and Bucky and take the serum and fight the commies. The serum drove them nuts and they were captured and put in suspended animation. Jack eventually gets better and becomes Nomad. The other Cap would be brainwashed into becoming an enemy of Cap and be supposedly killed until he was recently brought back in the comics for a time. Last I heard was that he was killed again but of course there is always a door open for a return.
For years Bucky was on the officially unofficial DO NOT RESURRECT list until Ed Brubaker brought him back as the Winter Soldier. He is eventually rescued from that, takes over as Cap when Steve was "dead", and continued as Cap after Steve returned and was recently killed in the current FEAR ITSELF mega event. He had a hole punched through his chest so I'm not sure how they will undo that to bring him back, but of course this was also done to get Rogers back as Cap for the movie.
The Gordian Knot had fewer twist and turns than the history of "Captain America" and "Bucky" it seems. Thanks for the detailed info Nericus!
I have to admit, as a comic reader of nearly 30+ years, I could not name the Howling Commandos if I had to....
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The first group of Howling Commandos was an elite special unit formed in World War II. The original team consisted of Nick Fury, CorporalTimothy Aloysius Cadwallander "Dum Dum" Dugan, PrivateGabriel Jones, Private Robert "Rebel" Ralston, Private Dino Manelli, Private Isadore "Izzy" Cohen and Private Jonathan "Junior" Juniper who was killed in action after the first few issues. He was replaced by Private Percival "Pinky" Pinkerton, a British soldier, in issue #8. Later, Private Eric Koenig, a defector from Nazi Germany, joined the squad in issue #27. Occasional other members would join for an issue or two before being killed, transferred, or otherwise leaving (such as Fred Jones in issue #81). Also daringly for the time, the series killed Fury's girlfriend, British nurse Pamela Hawley, introduced in issue #4 and killed in a Londonair raid in #18.
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I had a crazy thought after watching the movie; what if Agent Carter is Tony Stark's mom? It makes sense story-wise but at the same time Nick Fury said its been 70 years since Cap was frozen. On the other hand that means that Howard Stark and his mystery wife didn't have Tony until they were in their 50s-60s, since Howard was at least in his mid-20s in 1942 *scratches head*. And that assumes that Tony is currently at least 40 years old currently.
ARRRG stupid comic continuity hurt Hulk's brain!
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So, more evidence that people should just go see the movie for themselves, rather than rely on a critic to tell them what's good or not.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
Post opening weekend it's at 73. It's rare movies go up like that so whoever got early access were the wrong people watching it. You want people who will give it a positive review to help build hype.
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Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
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I pondered that too, and decided against Peggy being Tony's mother for the exact same reason.|
Originally Posted by CaptHitGuy
I had a crazy thought after watching the movie; what if Agent Carter is Tony Stark's mom? It makes sense story-wise but at the same time Nick Fury said its been 70 years since Cap was frozen. On the other hand that means that Howard Stark and his mystery wife didn't have Tony until they were in their 50s-60s, since Howard was at least in his mid-20s in 1942 *scratches head*. And that assumes that Tony is currently at least 40 years old currently.
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Howard marrying late-- or more than once-- is entirely plausible. Rich men can often have children quite late in life.
I wonder if they will touch on Steve knowing Tony's dad in the movie.
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Yeah just like Nick Fury in Iron Man 2. Speaking of which I hope they finally explain how Fury is immortal (I know its explained in the comics, but that leaves me in the dark whether that is the same in the movies).|
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I pondered that too, and decided against Peggy being Tony's mother for the exact same reason.
Howard marrying late-- or more than once-- is entirely plausible. Rich men can often have children quite late in life. I wonder if they will touch on Steve knowing Tony's dad in the movie. |
The dynamic between Cap and IM should be interesting. And I hope Tony gives Steve tips on how to act around women, that will be priceless with RDJ's snappy delivery
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I always thought a neat solution to Nick Fury would be having Nick Fury in WW2 be his dad. No reason to assume that Nick I would be incapable of having a biracial marriage ....
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Originally Posted by CaptHitGuy
Yeah just like Nick Fury in Iron Man 2. Speaking of which I hope they finally explain how Fury is immortal (I know its explained in the comics, but that leaves me in the dark whether that is the same in the movies).
The dynamic between Cap and IM should be interesting. And I hope Tony gives Steve tips on how to act around women, that will be priceless with RDJ's snappy delivery . |
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
The Gordian Knot had fewer twist and turns than the history of "Captain America" and "Bucky" it seems. Thanks for the detailed info Nericus!
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For example: Johann Schmidt whom many know as the Red Skull is not the original Red Skull.
George Maxon, first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 in the 40's as the Red Skull. He was an American businessman and a spy for the enemy. He was believed killed in battle against Captain America but in the silver age he was brought back to face Cap again and was revealed/retconned to be an agent of Johaan Schmidt, the true Red Skull.
Captain America comics #7 is the first appearance of Johann Schmidt as the Red Skull. An orphan that lived on the streets, did menial jobs, developed a dark and deep hatred of humanity. When working as a bellhop at a hotel he was bringing items to Adolph's room where an officer was being lectured and chastised by Adolph. Adolph claimed he could make a better officer out of the mere bellhop in the room and then he sensed a dark and kindred spirit in Johann and personally trained him and gave him his uniform and mask of the Red Skull. Red Skull was in charge of espionage and sabotage throughout Europe and the propaganda effect of his appearance was so great that the Allies countered by taking the sole recipient of Project Rebirth, Steve Rogers, and making him into Captain America.
They clashed many times during the war and into the 50's. As part of the retcon that brought Rogers into the MU, it was stated that in their last WW2 battle, the Skull was left in a bombed building but exposure to an experimental gas put him in suspended animation for years.
Captain America Comics #61 is said to be the first appearance of Albert Malik has the third Red Skull, that issue did not reference him as a new Skull since at the time there was no Marvel comics so Albert Malik is part of the retcon just as the 50's Cap and Bucky were not Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes. He was a communist agent that decided to use the reputation of the Red Skull for his own ends, and among his crimes is being responsible for the death of Peter Parker's parents. Years later in Captain America, Malik was seen breaking out of a prison and planned to resume using the Red Skull identity since at the time the true Skull was believed to have died in Cap #300, however the true Skull was in hiding and had ordered the Scourge of the Underworld to kill Malik for daring to usurp his name. Malik was shot and fell from a flying helicoptor and is presumed gone.
Schmidt is again considered dead but his daughter Synthia aka Sin is taking up where he left off. Her face was also wrecked in an explosion so that she is disfigured and burned to the point where her face and head are.....a red skull.
Truly Captain America and the Red Skull are two of the most enduring characters that Jack Kirby helped create.
I thought the movie was awesome, best Marvel Movie since the first Spiderman one.
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Every review I read liked it. Even the most harsh review that found it to be plain still liked it enough to recommend it. At 56% it is still being high enough to say it was at least decent. Metacritic had it at 64, IIRC, so again the critics overall were recommending it. I still wait until the masses have seen it to think the critic's number has some weight to it. One site I check doesn't post reviews until after seeing it on the day/weekend it opens. I just find it interesting to see a movie studio release it to critics and have the ones that on average dislike it the most would be the ones who saw it first.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
So, more evidence that people should just go see the movie for themselves, rather than rely on a critic to tell them what's good or not.
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As much as I look at RT, or Metacritic, I still look at reviews which actually don't give scores. I pretty much watch the movies I wanted to anyway. If not that, then it was recommended by somebody. I honestly can't recall the last critically claimed movie I saw that I would say it was a bad movie. I can say that for one of the films that the masses liked, but got panned via critics. The second Transformers movie is a good place to start.
I was really looking forward to this, and maybe it's because my expectations were so high that I was honestly kinda disappointed by this one. If the special effects were toned down, I'm not sure it'd even be possible to tell it apart from a fairly banal TV pilot. It just felt phoned-in. Like, they new that The Avengers was coming, so this was just a quick stopover to fill the last spot on the roster.
Hugo Weaving was a particular disappointment to me. Come on man, lay it on a bit thicker! You're a big red nazi, for crying out loud! Don't be afraid to chew the scenery a bit more!
...though speaking of chewing the scenery, Tommy Lee Jones was far and away the best part of the movie.
Saw it today, really enjoyed it. Saw it with my dad, and we both kept snickering every time Red Skull's last name was said... because it's also our last name. ^^