Revival Of Redside?

i used to play the heck out of redside, pretty much exclusively, for the ATs. i find the hero ones really boring but redside itself was killing my interest for a couple of reasons:

1. just because its evil doesnt mean it needs to be a dump. its an ugly place, i get it, but its ugly pretty much everywhere.
2. the mission structure is/was a lot like this:
ARACHNOSARACHNOSARACHNOSARACHNOSARACHNOSLONGBOW
LONGBOWLONGBOWLOGBOWLONGARACHNOSCIRCLEOFTHORNS
its really sucks that theres all these different enemy groups (legacy chain, goldbrickers, snakes, coralax, ect) that pretty much disappear from the rest of the game between 20-30.

those are pretty much the two biggest reasons, #2 actually being bigger than 1.

I still like Redside.

Not going to try and justify myself, because if you don't like Redside, I'm not going to convince you anymore than you will convince me to play Blueside more.

Don't forget that the game still has a T rating, so they can't be too evil with the red side stuff.

I personally find it funny that there is only one arc where you seem to be in it for yourself rather than the arachnos, and that's Dean MacArthur's arc.

If we had more chains like THAT one, people would probably feel better. Similarly had more chains where you didn't fight Arachnos, Longbow and CoT. Legacy Chain, Wyrven, some Hero Corp stuff... these would all be welcome additions to the villian missions. Maybe some missions where you infiltrate Preatoria and help out the resistance blow stuff up to create mayhem that the Arachnos to take over.

As to reviving redside? Honestly, part of it has been said previously. But one thing would be to make a few TF's with either ambiguous or pure villianous goals in mind that are open to both sides.

Also the removal of the required mayhem missions for contacts. Mayhems are nice once in a while, but sometimes you don't want to have to blow up 12 cars, fight off 100 PPD and a hero, just to talk to some dink who's begging for money.

Oh, and removing the hidden contacts from being hidden.


And this is just personal but, I don't feel that Arachnos should be such an all pervading force as representatives of the entirety of villiandom (as they are potrayed now). Maybe as basic arbitrators within the Isles, but having them be as obscenely overused as they are now is just annoying. 1/4th of my contacts should not be directly connected to one single organization for the villians. I should be able to be more of a free contractor to work with Council, Column, Malta, Knives, Carnies, Mooks, Family, Sky Raiders (there's a crew that you DEFINITELY should work for, not against as a villian)... heck maybe even hellions and Skulls at really low levels. Maybe throw in a few of the "morality" choices during these arcs where you have an opposing group that you're about to attack and mop the floor with offer you more Inf or whatever to join them.

And I suppose that's one thing that could help out with the villany. Show us SOME benefit of pulling off successful heists or making that million dollar paycheck. People try to say that we're in it for ourselves, but how can we do that if we don't receive anything. I understand that it's a balance issue if you make it like a monetary thing (you get 3 trillion inf for managing to wipe out an arachnos op or whatever) but little things would be nice (maybe have a "banker" call you every so often and explain exactly how your money is doing until he just steals your money and flees or whatever).

>.>

Since people can make red side ATs blue side from the get go via i21, then the influx of people will be going blue side. With being on one side and yet able to visit the other side, the only real interest in red side is unlocking patrons, or doing content that's specifically geared towards villains. Red side is what it has always been, an expansion pack versus a full blown game merged with CoH. Red side was built to be "good enough" and then left as is instead of making it an actual equal to blue side. See also PvP and bases for similar tactics. Give red side an equal number of TFs and then we'll talk. The fact that I would have to look up when red side had a STF added where blue side wasn't getting a new TF to match pretty much proves my point.

Have to have a red side 1st off to have it revived. Personally never felt CoV was anything more then bullies and never actually villains.

Honestly, I don't play redside because I find the zones depressing and annoying to navigate. My wife and I were both disappointed that Mercy Island had not been included in the update for Freedom. Villainy is everywhere, not just on decimated island city states. Improve the redside zones and I'll play there.

As for that other game that was mentioned, I love playing a villain there.

A big part of the problem, IMO, is that in the genre, villains are the proactive characters - they set plots in motion, to which the heroes react. It's hard to set up or allow that in an MMO, especially those built on the quest-giving model; the Mission Architect is the closest that this game has come so far.

Red > Blue. 90% of my characters are Vil/Rogue. I also hate almost all of blueside's tfs.