So how OP'ed have we become?


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If folks think they are racing through content, they can . . . UNSLOT their incarnate abilities.
Or they can ask for content which is designed to expect the level of power which the Incarnate system - the de-facto end game - is designed to give them. Right now, Incarnates are like selling fast sports cars to a village that has only one dirt road. Yes, you can drive slowly, but you don't buy a fast sports car to drive it slowly on a dirt road. You buy a Range Rover for that.


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I disbelieve that, sorry. Someone once ran the numbers and showed that there were only a couple specific builds that could solo a GM. All of them use pets, whether inherent or temp. I want to take my Blaster to Monster Island and punch one in the face without dying instantly. No one can do that.
That someone is just plain wrong.

My Fire/Cold corruptor could solo GMs before i19 came around. My Friend's Rad/Sonic defender could solo GMs before I19 came around. Traps/Sonic defenders could solo GMs before I19 came around. I have personally seen these builds do it long before any incarnate powers came around. And none of those use any sort of pets.
Oh, all three toons solo'd GMs with no temps and no inspiratios, either.

Just because someone "Ran the numbers" doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. What Katie_V said is what's needed to solo GMs, nothing more. A good -Regen power, and enough survivability in your toon to be able to take the GM's attacks as well as a decent attack chain. Doesn't even need to be a "high end DPS" attack chain. My Corr's chain is certainly no where near optimized.

As for your wish for your blaster, I don't know what type of blaster you're running, or what kind of build you have. Or if you're doing this with no temps/insps or not. But it's certainly more than possible to "punch a GM in the face and not die instantly". /MM blasters have been able to solo GMs for a looong time now. And yes, before incarnate powers came around either. And if you have a decent defence based build, you can do it with no temps/insps either.


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The entire thread's existence us pointless. Those times have been unimpressive since purples came out.

Incarnates haven't done anything that wasn't already possible. Period.

If folks think they are racing through content, they can . . . UNSLOT their incarnate abilities.
Wow...

Do me a favor and re read the OP and explain to me how he's whining about being overpowered?!
Perhaps it would help if there was a GG winky after the question mark, to make it bluntly obvious that the title was said in a positive tone. Like
"Hey guys, look how awesome we are now!"

People need to stop assuming that the word Overpowered is a blanket statement calling for Nerfs. Nobody here called for any nerfs, just one player being proud of an accomplishment. If that accomplishment isn't impressive to you, why bother posting?

*Shrugs*


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I disbelieve that, sorry. Someone once ran the numbers and showed that there were only a couple specific builds that could solo a GM. All of them use pets, whether inherent or temp. I want to take my Blaster to Monster Island and punch one in the face without dying instantly. No one can do that.
That's no longer the case (that only a couple specific builds can do it). I did it yesterday with my Fire/Shield. I can do it with simply Interface (T4 reactive), Lore just makes it much quicker.


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That's no longer the case (that only a couple specific builds can do it). I did it yesterday with my Fire/Shield. I can do it with simply Interface (T4 reactive), Lore just makes it much quicker.

I assume this is chiefly because of the insane proccage and Burn, which is getting fixed with the next patch.


 

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If you aren't breaking scouters, then you aren't playing the game right IMO.


 

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I assume this is chiefly because of the insane proccage and Burn, which is getting fixed with the next patch.
You know what they say about people who assume........ Neither fire melee nor shield defence get burn.


 

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You know what they say about people who assume........ Neither fire melee nor shield defence get burn.
Ooops, you're right. Silly me.

Erm, I mean obviously I'm talking about the rare Fiery Aura / Shield Offense scrappers

And what do they say about people who assume? I assume it's something derogatory?


 

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Wow...

Do me a favor and re read the OP and explain to me how he's whining about being overpowered?!
Perhaps it would help if there was a GG winky after the question mark, to make it bluntly obvious that the title was said in a positive tone. Like
"Hey guys, look how awesome we are now!"

People need to stop assuming that the word Overpowered is a blanket statement calling for Nerfs. Nobody here called for any nerfs, just one player being proud of an accomplishment. If that accomplishment isn't impressive to you, why bother posting?

*Shrugs*
I did. My point was that he's not awesome. Many folks have posted those times BEFORE incarnates. Incarnates didn't do anything that was already possible with Purples.

Perhaps next time the OP could avoid using the word Overpowered.

If my respsonse bothers you, why bother posting/reading/etc?

EDIT: Also he states this in the 2nd sentence of the post:

It's surprising how absolutely over-powered toons have become with the Incarnate abilities. We ran a set of Speed MO TF's, these were the times we got.

My point is that there is no surprise, as toons have NOT become overpowered with Incarnates. I don't consider abilities which can only be used for 5 levels to be overpowered, when compared to purple IO buffs which scale to level 1.

There must be some new definitions of overpowered that I'm not aware of.


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I did. My point was that he's not awesome. Many folks have posted those times BEFORE incarnates. Incarnates didn't do anything that was already possible with Purples.

Perhaps next time the OP could avoid using the word Overpowered.

If my respsonse bothers you, why bother posting/reading/etc?

EDIT: Also he states this in the 2nd sentence of the post:

It's surprising how absolutely over-powered toons have become with the Incarnate abilities. We ran a set of Speed MO TF's, these were the times we got.
Yup. He also goes on to say in his second post that the lack of challenge in the I-20 game makes him less and less enthusiastic about logging on. Take from that what you will, but it's not reasonable to argue that all of the responses ostensibly directed at the thread's title are entirely irrelevant.


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Scratching my head, trying to come up with what was hard before incarnate stuff. Not sure why shaving off a little time from lvl 45+ tf/sfs is considered game breaking.
Same. Incarnate powers or not, players will always find a way to shave time off of TFs and trials and find the easiest most efficient way to earn rewards.

You gained powers that are supposed to make you more powerful, so teaming with 7 other players in non Incarnate content would seem over powered.

I understand why players are feel that way on normal TFs though, but I'm playing under the assumption that future content will be created to be more challenging.

So devs, the next round of new critters need to have higher resistance, damage, HP, and regen values.


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As for your wish for your blaster, I don't know what type of blaster you're running, or what kind of build you have. Or if you're doing this with no temps/insps or not. But it's certainly more than possible to "punch a GM in the face and not die instantly". /MM blasters have been able to solo GMs for a looong time now. And yes, before incarnate powers came around either. And if you have a decent defence based build, you can do it with no temps/insps either.
Do you have access to powersets that no one else does? What the hell is an "/MM blaster"?

I'd love to watch you take on a GM without pets. Can we arrange a time so I can watch you do it?


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Do you have access to powersets that no one else does? What the hell is an "/MM blaster"?
Mental Manipulation blaster secondary. Everyone has access to this as far as I know.


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Do you have access to powersets that no one else does? What the hell is an "/MM blaster"?

I'd love to watch you take on a GM without pets. Can we arrange a time so I can watch you do it?
Mental Manipulation. Notable for its enhancable regeneration debuff (Drain Psyche). If you have a build that soft-caps DEF, then a */mental Blaster should solo some GMs rather easily.


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Yeah, I usually hear /Mental or /MM, never /Men though... that just seems kinda weird.

Pass on the Men secondary for me.


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I disbelieve that, sorry. Someone once ran the numbers and showed that there were only a couple specific builds that could solo a GM. All of them use pets, whether inherent or temp. I want to take my Blaster to Monster Island and punch one in the face without dying instantly. No one can do that.
this weekend i solo'd ghost of scrapyard and caleb on my cold/dark defender. he has all Very rare(tier 4) except for interface and judgement.

My lore is the seers all offensive t4, interface is the 75% damage proc t3, cryonic judgement t3 with the damage proc, spiritual t4, and clarion perma t4.

Im not even fully IOd on my pve build and it was pretty simple to do. with benumb basically perma and the buffs from heatloss and clarion basically perma it all comes to wether or not the gm will sit relatively still long enough for you to kill them. i think both fights took about 8 mins since i had to summon my mace mastery pet twice and it is perma.

i tried to kill a monster island gm but they run immediately, probably because of my debuffs or DoT damage. the only other gm i tried was the arachnos flier but when it flies it becomes untouchable and regens so i couldnt kill it in time(no biggie, i have duo'ed it before really easily).


 

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Heh. People refer to Munitions Mastery often enough to turn it into an acronym? >.>

Yes, /Mental Blasters have soloed GMs before. I'm pretty sure Silverado chalked that up among his numerous GM soloing adventures quite some time back. I think it was pre-BotZ nerf days.

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Wow...

Do me a favor and re read the OP and explain to me how he's whining about being overpowered?!
Perhaps it would help if there was a GG winky after the question mark, to make it bluntly obvious that the title was said in a positive tone. Like
"Hey guys, look how awesome we are now!"

People need to stop assuming that the word Overpowered is a blanket statement calling for Nerfs. Nobody here called for any nerfs, just one player being proud of an accomplishment. If that accomplishment isn't impressive to you, why bother posting?

*Shrugs*

The original post the OP made.. I agree but what followed included statements like "They BROKE the game" "We were on Auto Pilot" Etc. Like I stated in my previous post sure if I take an entire team of essentially 50 (+3)s with tier 3 or 4 powers in all 4 of the new slots and do a 50 level ITF we are going to destroy everything in our path without batting a eye. But it is still possible to make a challenge out of it simply by increasing difficulty or even unslotting incarnates for the TF as others mentioned. And while his first post is definately not whiny it was the OP in a later one that basically said "We weren't even really trying." "It was like we were on Auto Pilot". While not a desperate cry to NERF everything those posts do come off like .. We are getting so bored because our powers are so strong now nothing challenges us.

Some of the other posters here have all but said they were on the verge of cancelling accounts because there are no challenges left. Well DUH .. MAKE new ones! There are purples out Blasters soling giant monsters, people soloing or duoing things like the ITF, and my personal little hobby .. Soloing Pillboxes in Recluse's Victory with my Crab Spider .. oh and for the record while it's even easier now that she has tier 3 in most of the new powers and a tier 4 in judgement she was doing the same thing before incarnate powers arrived. FTR Part 2... I have not spent billions on purple recipes on her in factI I sell those off for the huge cash bonuses. Tessa is my COH female version of Tony Stark .. a hero with more cash than she has any idea what to do with.


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I assume this is chiefly because of the insane proccage and Burn, which is getting fixed with the next patch.
Fire Melee/Shield Defense does not have Burn.


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I think that with the first 10 slots, we might become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
As long as we get challenging stuff to fight, I welcome the grind ahead and the additional powers.


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Yeah. Because it's not like players had gotten speeding a TF down to an exact science or anything...



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As long as we get challenging stuff to fight, I welcome the grind ahead and the additional powers.
We've already been promised that


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I disbelieve that, sorry. Someone once ran the numbers and showed that there were only a couple specific builds that could solo a GM. All of them use pets, whether inherent or temp. I want to take my Blaster to Monster Island and punch one in the face without dying instantly. No one can do that.
As many others have said it is possible without pets, there was a video doing the rounds of a rad/sonic def soloing Adamastor years ago, I don't think any pets were used, although I can't remember whether they had an Amy, pretty sure no nukes/shivans/HVAS.


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