So how OP'ed have we become?

Since getting T4's on their toons, a lot of our speedclub members (including me) really got sick and tired of the trials so decided to ditch them and do TF's for a while.

It's surprising how absolutely over-powered toons have become with the Incarnate abilities. We ran a set of Speed MO TF's, these were the times we got.

MoSTF: 28m41s
MoLRSF: 28m18s
MoITF: 17m58s
MoTin: 21m29s
MoLGTF: 28m34s (this one was really slow :-\)

[I didn't post screenshots because it's an absolute pain - let me know if for some reason you really want to see the screenshot]


These are not the best possible or even close to the best possible, so I was wondering what people run these things on now? I'm guessing a sub 20-25m MoSTF is quite possible, people managed it yet?

I am particularly curious for MoLRSF times, since 28m has to be really slow post I20 considering MoSTF took about the same time.

Yes, they broke the game.

I have cancelled my account after 7 years due to the whole incarnate mess. I see they deleted the earlier thread on why folks are finding it harder and harder to log on.

Once you are this powerful and the game is completely trivial with no challenge - its is time to go.

I believe the Devs killed the game. I have spoken to a lot of veterans of the game lately and we are all of like idea - time to go. This Incarnate stuff was badly conceived and implemented IMHO.

Well, part of it is being looked at - but still, when my Ice/Emp controller can start killing (standard or +1/1-2 player team size) groups solo like a blaster, it's a touch much. (Reactive +Sleet +AOE immob = lots of proccing.)

Which, if we were at or near the top of the Incarnate tree would be fine - but we're only at the halfway point.

I mentioned elsewhere - what I'd look at is extending the idea in the level shift. Alpha's works everywhere - ok, 1 level's not bad. But have the powers have one level of ability in normal content, and when in an Incarnate "space" (trial, an invasion flagged as "incarnate," future possible incarnate arcs, etc.) the Incarnate abilities go to full strength. Higher damage, faster proccing, higher levels, etc.

This would let the player maintain a "more powerful Incarnate" feel without overpowering (too much) regular content - and let the Incarnate content go over the top.

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I must reluctantly agree, but it has been harder and harder to log on.
I really don't know what to do once I log on. It's either run incarnate trials over and over again and get more T4's than I really need or want; or to blaze through content without any concept of a challenge.

The only way I keep the challenge alive is to try to break records and try to find a challenge. The other day for example, we ran a 5 man LRSF in 30 minutes. It was um, silly. It was us just waiting for stuff to die as we chatted about random stuff on vent.


Even so, since this _is the only challenge that seems to be left for me and a lot of my friends in the game, I'd like to know, how fast are people doing these things

Scratching my head, trying to come up with what was hard before incarnate stuff. Not sure why shaving off a little time from lvl 45+ tf/sfs is considered game breaking.

To be fair, IOs are what broke the game. Incarnate powers are only helping things a bit. If you want a challenge, up the difficulty or take off your incarnate powers. We have plenty of options to debuff players/buff enemies via those options implemented with Ouroboros's introduction. Time to start using them.

I'm mostly finding it harder to log on because missions in Praetoria are completely broken and unplayable. I wanted to work on my last remaining Praetorian and I can't without summoning a GM every other mission.

As for Incarnates, I had assumed the devs would limit the powers to the endgame content only, which they did with the Incarnate Level Shifts, but that's it. I still won't be surprised when they realize that they need to limit which powers are available for regular content, nor will I be surprised when I see the very same people complaining about the game being too easy start gnashing their teeth at their shinies being taken away from them.

Everybody loses.

I don't have any problems with the incarnate powers in the 'normal' content. Heck that's how I got my MoLRSF. Most 'badgers' (at least whenever I'm available on Liberty) have scrappers as toons....yeah...that's great but not the best when we need debuffs (or holds/etc)....

But after 3 attempts (2 silly deaths) a bunch of lvl 50+ Incarnates got the MoLRSF badge. Hooray for Destiny buffs (among other things)!

Heck, I've wanted the other 2 lvl shifts to apply to normal content too....ah well


Edit:

Oh and slainsteel, I know I was a part of a LGTF that did it in 23 minutes. To be honest I don't remember if it was a Mo or not...but...even if it wasn't..I don't think anyone died (can't remember).

The more I team with those with incarnate powers, the more I end up soloing.

Several people on the team with Judgement power means mobs die. My blasters, scrappers, and stalkers have become irrelevant; and these ATs are what I play the most (as in nearly always, except for an MM once in awhile).

IOs are borderline game breaking. I don't min/max with them so my characters are just a little more powerful with them over using SOs, but that can be compensated for with the difficulty slider.

i dont think he was really complaining, in fact based on his own comments, hes more looking for fellow runners to high five and see if he can squeeze a little more speed out of his runs.

I recall when issue 20 went live and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth about how the trials were too hard, the new powers allowed players to master that difficulty, new stuff will come that will probably be harder, and in time players will master that too. the old content is a lot easier, no question, but hardcore purple slotters already were grinding that up, i rather enjoy the current feel of seeing imperious or an aspect of rularuu and throwing down a cosmically amped up beating on him, its kind a fun. I'm no min maximizer so im not generally yawning through +4 X8. power that i dont need to maintain a spreadsheet for is fun, ya know? i still run with pugs, and difficulty still exists from occasional contrasting play styles(though since my pugs are all from my main server, most of us have been on the same page and done great things), but for the most part, the incarnate stuff was there to make us more powerful, just like even when ssk'd down, level 40 stuff is less challenging to a level 50, its progression.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Yeah, first the Incarnate stuff is too hard, now it's too easy. Go fig.

I don't get it. You spend hours upon hours taking your lvl 1 hero/villain to lvl 50. And then once you get there, you spend even more hours min/maxing the build with IOs, then once you're done that, you spend more hours running incarnate trials to make yourself even stronger. THEN you come on here and complain that you're too strong??

This argument is as silly as a man suing Mcdonalds for making him fat or very muscular man getting upset with his gym for making him too fit. You reap what you sow people.

Besides it's not like you HAVE to use your incarnate powers. There is the option to unslot them. Heck, it's not like you have to use your IOs either. Dual builds ftw.

As for the OP, expect those numbers to halve once the rest of the incarnate abilities are introduced.

To clarify, I am not COMPLAINING about how over-powered we are; I am just 'conceding' that yes, it can make the game less interesting.

I am simply asking how fast have *other* people been running these so I have some sort of benchmark to go on.


That's it. Really.
I don't quite understand where all this animosity is coming from; simply because of the title and the fact that I agreed that the game _has become less challenging?

n number of posts and most of them seem to concentrate of 'everything' but what I had originally asked; how fast are your best times.

Is it that so hard to get?