Multi-group content is not the way.
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-06 22:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Sorry to burst your bubble; unless they're coming out with a new arc a day, then you're grinding pretty much after the first few months (if not weeks).|
Originally Posted by Venture
False. Repetitive activity in MMOs is grinding. If you enjoy it, de gustibus non whatever and all that but it's still grinding.
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After five years... 90%+ of normal play is grinding; whether its content, ATs, powersets, progression, badges/accolades, mobs, maps, zones, etc... and people wonder why I look forward to new stuff (ie. shinies).
[At this point, they pretty much have no option but to create new content (as they have come up with [systemic] means for a single toon to play all existing content). That, and/or continuing to build upon the AE system.]
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*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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Obviously, running the same story arc I ran last week is equivalent to running the same trial six times in a row.
| Sorry to burst your bubble; unless they're coming out with a new arc a day, then you're grinding pretty much after the first few months (if not weeks). |
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"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
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Essentially. It simply depends on one's threshold for doing the same thing repeatedly, which is purely subjective.
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Originally Posted by Venture
Obviously, running the same story arc I ran last week is equivalent to running the same trial six times in a row.
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You didn't imply frequency in your post; nor did I, as it is mostly irrelevant to 'grinding'.|
Originally Posted by Venture
Obviously, running the same story arc I ran last week is equivalent to running the same trial six times in a row.
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[Edit (because I had to rush out for an errand): Nor did you state goal of repetition.
Once I've taken 30+ alts through the same 30+ levels of content (I only have a handful of 50s); it's irrelevant whether I've repeated the content in one day or over the course of five years... its still a grind at times.]
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
T'be fair, though, V has a point.
Getting from 1-50, I can do any and all of the content in game. I've been playing for nigh on three years, and there are still contacts I've never even heard of, let alone played their missions. Theres whole tracts of game left unplayed, and I can't be the only one who runs into that.
Incarnates? After the Alpha slot, theres a grand total of two things I can do to progress. Two. In the whole game. Sure, we get two more soon-ish. But thats still only four things. Whereas, once unlocked, you can play anything and make progress on the Alpha slot.
It just...grates, thats all.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Yeah, they really need to let threads drop elsewhere while leaving the trials as the fastest option.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Incarnates? After the Alpha slot, theres a grand total of two things I can do to progress. Two. In the whole game. Sure, we get two more soon-ish. But thats still only four things. Whereas, once unlocked, you can play anything and make progress on the Alpha slot.
It just...grates, thats all. |
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Shards can be converted to Threads - the WSTs are still an attractive option for unlocking the new slots for anyone who wants to avoid the Trials.
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Anyone attempting to create J/L/I/D abilities by collecting shards needs to have their head examined.
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Since last night I already have my Very Rares on Destiny, Interface, Judgement, and have Lore lined up for a Very Rare as soon as I get a Very Rare salvage drop.
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@Golden Girl
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Plus, there's always the thing where doing an arc such as Frostfire twenty times is no big deal because you rarely do it with the same powerset each time. I mean, I've done that arc a few times on the same character when I was in the level range of the Hollows, but by and large I've done it with very different characters each time. In order to accomplish the goal of unlocking the Incarnate things, you're running the exact same character through the exact same content multiple times. If there were some other reasonable way of getting shards and threads what-all, then it wouldn't feel so grindy to some players. They're going to have to expand the possibilities at some point, because the previously-new content gets largely abandoned when the latest content debuts. I had a much more difficult time finding people to run the BNY missions than the Lady Winter ones, and I suspect that will happen with Issue 20's trials when 21 comes out.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
T'be fair, though, V has a point.
Getting from 1-50, I can do any and all of the content in game. I've been playing for nigh on three years, and there are still contacts I've never even heard of, let alone played their missions. Theres whole tracts of game left unplayed, and I can't be the only one who runs into that. Incarnates? After the Alpha slot, theres a grand total of two things I can do to progress. Two. In the whole game. Sure, we get two more soon-ish. But thats still only four things. Whereas, once unlocked, you can play anything and make progress on the Alpha slot. It just...grates, thats all. |
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Truth. I genuinely enjoy running BAF and Lambda. I run Citadel for 5% HP.
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Originally Posted by Zoph
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Speaking of this sort of stuff, how many usually run the signature TFs because they're fun? I groan a little bit every time I realise I have a character I wanna run through Citadel's for the accolade. D: |
1) EVERY single IP mission is in the south end of the zone
2) Far to many missions are in dark astoria
Mind you, I think that all TF's should have DA missions removed completely, its the most difficult zone to get into/out of and almost no TF missions have any story based reason to be in DA. I also think the entire south end of IP should be removed - everything from the terra volta entrance on south is basically useless (plus, moving the zone wall up to the TV entrance would remove the stress that terra volta puts on the space/time continuum).
Other than those two issues, I actually prefer Citadel to, say, Sister Psyche. Her TF is a pain because it has nearly as many kill alls and at L25 freakshow are a real pain in the posterior - they hit really hard for that level and take a lot longer to kill due to dull pain and rezzes. Sure, its worth good xp and on a well balanced, steam rolling team isn't that bad - but the same team will do citadel in a lot less time.
And yes, GG, you are correct - we have wandered way off topic in this thread :-)
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How the hell am I agreeing with you? The very fabric of reality shouldn't allow this!
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Originally Posted by Venture
Anyone attempting to create J/L/I/D abilities by collecting shards needs to have their head examined.
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Nonsense. Eventually, all succumb to the will of Venture.
Current Blog Post: "Why I am an Atheist..."
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
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Unless they'd rather kill hundreds and thousands of things and actually have fun doing it than running the same lag-ridden encounters over and over gritting their teeth every second of the way. Then they need their heads examined for trying to get the abilities in the first place. Which says more about the people who created such a system, and the people who support it wholeheartedly, than the people who are still collecting shards.
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Originally Posted by Venture
Anyone attempting to create J/L/I/D abilities by collecting shards needs to have their head examined.
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Pfft, it's only because I'm agreeing with you. Some of my awesome is bleeding over.
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Originally Posted by Venture
Nonsense. Eventually, all succumb to the will of Venture.
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Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
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Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
I just ran thirteen BAFs in a row, formed my own full leagues and all, with new people every run. We tried for specific badges, we zerged, we succeeded every time. I got the uncommon table every time. For the last five runs, I had everything I needed and was then running it because it is a fun new thing to do, to help others and to meet new people, not for any ingame rewards. I had a **** ton of fun and would still be doing BAFs if I didn't have to break to pick up my partner.
These trials don't feel like a grind to me. They feel like a fun new thing with lots of varied rewards and ways to complete them. If people wanna call it a grind, that's on them, but to me this is way less grindy than, say working on defeat badges to get another alt the Eye of the Magus accolade or Portal Jockey. If me playing the way I do makes someone say "but that is a grind! you were grinding!" then the joke is on them, because I enjoyed myself so if that's grinding then bring on the grind, devs.
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Why, are you a champion of the Well?
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Originally Posted by Venture
Nonsense. Eventually, all succumb to the will of Venture.
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@Golden Girl
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Why do you think he hates Issue 20 so much? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Why, are you a champion of the Well?
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The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
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lol no
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Originally Posted by Venture
Nonsense. Eventually, all succumb to the will of Venture.
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The way I see it, its a welcome break from soloing all the time... there's no problem finding teams for this... nobody's really behind the learning curve at this point (I've only seen one elitist attitude crop up since release) and rewards are good (I've gotten 3 purple drops since release in addition to Threads and the like)
Best part for me though, is slotting the T1 in each of the slots (and T2 Lore) then giving it a whirl in regular content (ahhhh, new car smell).
Even if there turns out to be more Trials, that just means more variety in getting Threads (assuming that they don't come up with yet another currency for the last Incarnate Trees).
Do I think its fun to solo for Shards/Threads... no, waaaay to slow but its not much different, IMO, than soloing for Purples and grinding for Inf to flesh out my IO sets.
Again, maybe it just because I'm tired of soloing at this point, but I'm glad to see content that brings teaming up to the level it was when I started my subscription.
[And now, they're using the League system to set up Rikti Raids.]
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
PLaying on Justice last night at one point there were 3 BAFs forming at once.. They all filled.
It's probably safe to say that a good portion of the playerbase is enjoying these trials a lot! I know I do!
I can't wait for the Keyes Island and Underground trials to go live!
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Despite all of the the vocal disagreement with the content in I20 leading right up to the launch of the Issue, it seems that that on my home server the Trials are a bustling activity until even past midnight. Give it a month at the least and we'll see if all of the forecasting that this end-game content is not what CoH/V is are correct or not. |
Originally Posted by Radmind
PLaying on Justice last night at one point there were 3 BAFs forming at once.. They all filled.
It's probably safe to say that a good portion of the playerbase is enjoying these trials a lot! I know I do! I can't wait for the Keyes Island and Underground trials to go live! |
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That the developers know how to market to the people with money who have been left out before now? What a horrible thing adding content for a profitable base and the old one at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Which says more about the people who created such a system, and the people who support it wholeheartedly, than the people who are still collecting shards.
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No, we don't know what I21 will be yet, but I saw what I19 was and what I19.5 was and what I20 was, so let's just say I'm sceptical. More so than usual.