Is Issue 20 the most hyped issue ever?
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Posted on: 2011-04-02 06:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
With all this plotting and back-stabbing going on, if all the Heroes went on vacation for a bit, I wonder how long it'd take the Villains to notice? 
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To my understanding, the 5th Column did this "temporal strongholds" antic a number of times and eventually wound up back in the present due to the war with the Council, after which they went into hiding... in the present.
Why the inter-dimensional Reichsman suddenly knew of and swore his allegiance to the 5th Column the moment Roderick Mueller released him from the abandoned Freedom Phalanx base in Boomtown is unexplained (see: retcon discussion). But it was rather rubbed in our faces that he's the reason the 5th Column are active in force once again.
Requiem was the leader of the 5th Column before the Council told him otherwise. Between the time that happened and the time the Reichsman was freed, the 5th Column apparently had no leadership.
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Um I agree with Dark and BrandX. So you base the merits of an issue solely on being able to waste more time in the costume editor? or on doing yet another respec on your character?|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Issue 20 offers only two new incarnate trials, new incarnate slots, 1.5 task forces below level 50 (Sorry Villains), a LFG queue, leagues and some Arachnos helos in the middle of Longbow bases (No I didn't make that up lol).
As of right now, no new costume pieces, no power proliferation, no power/epic pool/ custimization, etc. I am curious to hear opinions as to why a NDA was required for any of this content, or is this secretive content being planned for issue 21? Thoughts? |
We are getting two new 50+ Trials, two more Task Forces. opening up several new incarnate slots ..NOT one but as many as three or four from what I understand along with the new League sign up system. But it seems like from your post you are disappointed because we didn't get new opportunities to recolor powers or change their animations. To each his or her own but seriously I'd rather have new ways to PLAY the game than new ways to play Barbie with my character... and this from a woman who changed her look so often members of my own SG used to tease me about it.
Oh and as for THE MOST HYPED ISSUE.. were you around when everyone was desperately waiting for SUPER BASES to come on line? You want hype... for months when you logged on the first question anyone asked was "Did it go live yet?" The player base themselves created a sense of urgency like I really haven't seen since.
I'm sure all those things you are looking for are being developed and will wind up in game eventually.. Possible even I an issue 20.5 or as part of 21. Some will undoubtably be SOLD to us a Packs.
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Wasn't Axis Amerika liberally decorated with 5th Column banners back before it was switched over to the "Council Empire" map that's liberally decorated with Council banners?
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
To my understanding, the 5th Column did this "temporal strongholds" antic a number of times and eventually wound up back in the present due to the war with the Council, after which they went into hiding... in the present.
Why the inter-dimensional Reichsman suddenly knew of and swore his allegiance to the 5th Column the moment Roderick Mueller released him from the abandoned Freedom Phalanx base in Boomtown is unexplained (see: retcon discussion). But it was rather rubbed in our faces that he's the reason the 5th Column are active in force once again. |
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"Council Empire" Earth actually still has a giant 5th Column banner right at the zone-in (building on your left as you enter) which is pretty amusing to me.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Wasn't Axis Amerika liberally decorated with 5th Column banners back before it was switched over to the "Council Empire" map that's liberally decorated with Council banners?
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Heh... I'll have to look for that.|
Originally Posted by Jophiel
"Council Empire" Earth actually still has a giant 5th Column banner right at the zone-in (building on your left as you enter) which is pretty amusing to me.
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Well, there you go then. Reichsman knows about the 5th Column because Axis Amerika has 5th Column too. Otherwise the banners wouldn't have been there.
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Yeah, but the Mega Mechs on the ruined Atlas Park map have Council logos on them, don't they? So, what Dr_Mechano said.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Don't forget that Ernesto Hess is actually an Arachnos agent.
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Originally Posted by SpaceNut
It's my understanding the the Nictus half of Arakhn has been on Earth for centuries, so she could have seen Requiem in Roman times and then mocked him in the present before he actually went back in time with the 5th column. In fact, that could be how he got the idea in the first place.
tl;dr: Temporal logistics are hard. |
No seriously, how did the Path of the Dark get started? Is there anything in the Kheldian arcs that mentions that? Are the Cyst crystals a relatively recent development or have the Nictus been using them for centuries?
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Well, every time I've read the plaque, it reads 5th Column, so....
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So how often did you read the plaques in early 2005 or so? (i don't recall the exact time period offhand.)
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I wasn't subscribed that far back.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
*hypersonic facepalm*
So how often did you read the plaques in early 2005 or so? (i don't recall the exact time period offhand.) |
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I wasn't subscribed that far back.
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So, wait, does this apply to the real world as well? For example, if there's always been a Kroger's on the corner by your house as long as you've lived in the neighborhood it means it's always been that way forever and ever? Anyone who insists there was a locally owned pharmacy on the corner several years before you moved in is just lying to you?
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What's a Kroger's?
And as for the plaque, with the rate that textual mistakes get corrected in this game (i.e. practically never), it requires Pics Or It Didn't Happen.
I'm really digging on the conversation about the 5th Column/Council. I thought it was great and deserved it's own thread, so I started one here...
Now we can derail conversations over there instead of here 
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I couldn't agree more.
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They're the largest supermarket chain in the United States. They mainly exist in the Eastern part of the country, but their presence is nationwide, thanks to their purchase of Ralph's and several other chains out West. About the only area in the continental U.S. that doesn't have Kroger-owned grocery stores is from Maryland through Maine, the Mid-Atlantic and New England regions.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
What's a Kroger's?
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And the retcon, later explained away as an overzealous copy edit, did change the plaque in Atlas for a time. Player outcry led them to change it back.
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And to revive the discussion about Germany banning every single vague reference Nazis:
It's rather arbitrary when the symbols are allowed to be shown and when not.
The only reason you don't see that stuff in video games here even if Nazis are the obvious bad guys and couldn't be portrayed with any less sympathy is just because there's still that protecting children from video games mindset that makes lots of people overly sensitive over, well, everything in video games regardless of the context.
So yeah, it's really less that we just outright remove all references to WWII and pretend it never happens, the whole video game nazi thing is just a subset of video game violence paranoia. It's still pretty dumb as far as I'm concerned, but I just wanted to clarify that we're not locked away for the rest of our lives for daring to merely mentioning Nazis, as some people seem to think is the case.
If there is nothing in an issue thats for you and peeps cant stop talking about it then it can appear to be "over hyped" on the boards...me i really care less about end game/lvl 50 toons so yes this issue is "over hyped" but it will pass soon hopfully and its back to normal in an issue or two!
Now i do think they went overboard with a "signed NDA" but hey im not a dev or work for their marketing team...i know marketing tricks!
Yep, that's the post-re-retconned timeline right there.
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Yep, that's the post-re-retconned timeline right there.
Italian Fascists v. International Fascism v. German *Nazi* Fascism v. Axis Amerika *Nazi* Fascism v. the world. |
What...you know you'd pay to see that!
Why was the NDA required? Someone at NCSoft was concerned about something being leaked and someone suing over it. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with the specific contents of the issue. It's a purely C.Y.A. thing. Issue 20 was just the first one for which the NDA document was prepared, approved, and ready. I assume there will be NDA's for all future closed betas from now on.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Yep, that's the post-re-retconned timeline right there.
Italian Fascists v. International Fascism v. German *Nazi* Fascism v. Axis Amerika *Nazi* Fascism v. the world. |
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
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What...you know you'd pay to see that! |
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There aren't any in Washington state either, as I've never heard of or seen one.
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Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
They're the largest supermarket chain in the United States. They mainly exist in the Eastern part of the country, but their presence is nationwide, thanks to their purchase of Ralph's and several other chains out West. About the only area in the continental U.S. that doesn't have Kroger-owned grocery stores is from Maryland through Maine, the Mid-Atlantic and New England regions.
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It's called Fred Myer there.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
There aren't any in Washington state either, as I've never heard of or seen one.
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How was I suppose to know that? To me, it's just Fred Myer's.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
It's called Fred Myer there.
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Not like it's some sort of trade secret.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
How was I suppose to know that? To me, it's just Fred Myer's.
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Also...Kroger brand products in the Fred Meyer's store.
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>Implying I knew what a Kroger's was or noticed said products.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
Not like it's some sort of trade secret.
Also...Kroger brand products in the Fred Meyer's store. |
As far as I recall, all the generic brands simply have "Fred Meyer's" stamped on them.
It's my understanding the the Nictus half of Arakhn has been on Earth for centuries, so she could have seen Requiem in Roman times and then mocked him in the present before he actually went back in time with the 5th column. In fact, that could be how he got the idea in the first place.
tl;dr: Temporal logistics are hard.