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Posted on: 2011-03-12 08:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Dante
If the Devs dedicated as much drive and attention to wrapping up the many, many storylines that have been left hanging over the years as they are to the Praetorian one, I'd be very happy.
C'est la vie. |
What storylines do you feel are not wrapped up within the game?
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i dont know if that is a realistic expectation though, paragon isnt THAT big, even after the hiring, they still only have a set amount of people, time and resources. the last few issues have had parallel content made for heroes and vills, so they are doing two story lines, doubling that...i just question the amount of knowledge you have on the subject to claim that its "by their choice".|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
fixed.
EDIT: I get Praetoria needs to be finished. However there are many other stories that they CAN work on at the same time. I don't agree that it's one or the other. That's by their choice. Adding a tf that has nothing to do with Praetoria in the same issue as they add a Praetorian trial, is possible. |
you either think they are slacking off and only working at 50% efficiency currently and are holding off just because they are that starry eyed over praetoria, or you think there was drastically more praetorian content than i have seen in the game and that somehow halving the amount of content we got in issue 19 and in 20 would still supply a satisfying amount of content. maybe im missing stuff, but im not seeing that volume of content that could be divided in half and still be satisfying to anyone.
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I would really really love a hood that isn't huge or arcane-looking. The existing hoods, aside from the magic pack hood, look stupid on smaller characters.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
We can't make the hoodie, baggy tops really don't have the texture to emulate the front pocket, or the zipper (which is a real shame since all it would take it a texture) and most of the hoods are too heavy looking, or distinctly arcane, not to mention there's not hood that works for 'open jackets'.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
I might be alone in this but the first things that came to mind when they mentioned even "MOAR PRAETORIA" is "DO. NOT. WANT."
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Originally Posted by je_saist
The developers have intentionally set up Marcus Cole and the Praetorians as the main Incarnate Content Storyline, and for the forseeable future the Incarnate Content will continue to be about fighting the Praetorian menace.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
What storylines do you feel are not wrapped up within the game?
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The Praetorian storyline has already been the focus of i18, i19, and i20. That in and of itself is an unprecedented focus on a single enemy and a single storyline, leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight.
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Your "i h8 pr3tor4za" supprot group just doubled it's membership |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
No, by now it should be pretty obvious that you're not alone.
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| Newer low-level content that has nothing to do with Incarnates is also about the Praetorians. There is no good reason for this. |
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| The Praetorian storyline has already been the focus of i18, i19, and i20. That in and of itself is an unprecedented focus on a single enemy and a single storyline, leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight. |
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Who the aych is the Saul mentioned by the Family in PO?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
What storylines do you feel are not wrapped up within the game?
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For what it's worth, I'm sitting here now trying to decide whether I want to create a character on Defiant or on Union. I'd create a character on Zukunft, but then I'd have to play an international hero who got conked on the head and inconveniently forgot all the German he knew. Or else I'd have to constantly have Google open and there would be a bunch of Germans scratching their heads thinking, "Ist er auf Drogen?" (Which itself is probably an ironically hilarious mistranslation of what I meant...)
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Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko
Serverlist merge?
Awesome, i just hope it doesn't end up being the death of the EU servers. |
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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Issue 6: along came a Spider: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam..._a_spider.html| The Praetorian storyline has already been the focus of i18, i19, and i20. That in and of itself is an unprecedented focus on a single enemy and a single storyline, leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight. |
Issue 7: Destiny Manifest: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...anifest_1.html
Issue 9: Breakthrough: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...akthrough.html
Unprecendented?
Um. No. Excepting Issue 8 which was mostly filler to bring City of Heroes inline with City of Villains adding Police Band / Safeguards, and the revamped Faultine...
For two years after the CoV expansion, major storyline updates focused on NOTHING but the Arachnos. Leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight.
So why don't you dial that self-martyrdom of yours back a couple of levels. So you don't like the Praetorians. Big. Flipping. Deal.
Get over yourself and run any of the other countless story arcs, missions, task forces, that have nothing to do with Praetoria. Or better yet, make your OWN story arcs in Architect Entertainment, and write the content YOU want to play.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There is - it's to make the Praetorian storyline have a smoother transition from Praetorian to Primal Erath.
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At a guess, Anti-Matter's Trial will be in I21, and the Hamidon Trial will be I22 - with a potential confrontation with Tyrant still to come
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You mad?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Issue 6: along came a Spider: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam..._a_spider.html
Issue 7: Destiny Manifest: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...anifest_1.html Issue 9: Breakthrough: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...akthrough.html Unprecendented? Um. No. Excepting Issue 8 which was mostly filler to bring City of Heroes inline with City of Villains adding Police Band / Safeguards, and the revamped Faultine... For two years after the CoV expansion, major storyline updates focused on NOTHING but the Arachnos. Leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight. So why don't you dial that self-martyrdom of yours back a couple of levels. So you don't like the Praetorians. Big. Flipping. Deal. Get over yourself and run any of the other countless story arcs, missions, task forces, that have nothing to do with Praetoria. Or better yet, make your OWN story arcs in Architect Entertainment, and write the content YOU want to play. |
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(Great) Britain: Composed of the countries of England, Scotland and Wales. |
Originally Posted by Daemodand
"England expects that every man will do his duty."
This distinction between British and English seems a largely modern affectation. Historically, they've been interchangeable. |
United Kingdom: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
England, Scotland and Wales also all have their own Parliaments.
From your quote above...
"England expects that every man will do his duty."
This was from a period of time when Wales was part of England, and had no separate identity... and Scotland had joined England to form the United Kingdom.
Nelson was also English and with it being the 18th century, and most of his fleet being English it does make sense to call upon the "National Pride" of the majority of your troops.
There were (and still are) specific military units that only come from Scotland or Wales, and they *do* wear their nations heart on their shoulder (The Black Watch from Scotland with the motto of "No One Provokes Me With Impunity" being one example).
*Shrugs* I guess its the same as a UK guy using US as the short hand for North America... kinda right, but still wrong (North America covering USA, Canada, Cuba, Belize, El Salvador etc etc)
*edit* To save a lot of hassle, its generally better to ask "Where in the UK are you from?"... although you then miss out Ireland with that phrase....
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Originally Posted by TonyV
For what it's worth, I'm sitting here now trying to decide whether I want to create a character on Defiant or on Union.
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@Golden Girl
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Oh, I didn't notice the other cookies until I scrolled down.
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I think that Nate was thinking the question referred to Power Pools. I for one, certainly hope so. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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No more yellow pompoms, please!
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And I thought *I* was the only one.
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Originally Posted by ketch
Oh, I didn't notice the other cookies until I scrolled down.
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- Green Lantern
"Say, Jim...woo! That's a bad out-FIT!" - Superman: The Movie
Me 'n my posse: http://www.citygametracker.com/site/....php?user=5608
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Quit taking Hasten for a change. Problem solved. (-:
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
No more yellow pompoms, please!
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I think they might even make Hasten an exception, because of how often it's been requested - just like they did with adding an extra animation to Integration to let players get rid of the chest-beating animation.
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
I think that Nate was thinking the question referred to Power Pools. I for one, certainly hope so.
No more yellow pompoms, please! |
@Golden Girl
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Yeah. I'm coming around to this sensibility lately as well.|
Originally Posted by Dante
*Shrugs*
I'm kinda resigned to that. Fortunately, there's plenty of other things to do. Do I want more low level things added to the game? Yes. Do I want them related to Praetoria? No. If the Devs dedicated as much drive and attention to wrapping up the many, many storylines that have been left hanging over the years as they are to the Praetorian one, I'd be very happy. C'est la vie. |
When I play the game and get lost in the myriad things that can be, considering the pace I play, there are literally YEARS worth of content (and character advancement if you include IOs, purples, accolades and now incarnate stuff through i20) for me and my fairly modest two dozen alts.
More often than not, despite voicing strong opinions here on the forums, I enjoy myself in game.
It's only when I come to the boards, especially around when info gets released indicating the next 6-12 months priorities coming out of the development studio that I get down in the mouth about the game.
There are OTHER things *I'd* like to see, sooner rather than later. I do wonder how many years of solid continuous development the CoX 1 still has. I'm not a doomer thinking only one year, but realistically? Full issues for maybe 3 to 5 years sounds realistic to me. At 1.8 boosters and 2.6 issues per year**, that's not a lot of opportunities to see some of the stuff I *think* I'd really like added or refined in game.
So the jockey and lobbying forum game does get a bit tiring with all the passions flying.
But you're right. C'est la vie. So I'll get what I get, voice my desires semi-regularly when there is room for feedback. But if the past seven years are any indicator, I'll probably keep on playing and enjoying the game for the most part when I'm having my "me time."
**these numbers totally guesstimated out of my hat
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He (she?) does have something of a point though. People have been complaining about the Praetorian content pretty much constantly, while also complaining that the have stuff unfinished in this game. What do they propose? Completely dropping the Praetorian stuff in favor of...what exactly? I want them to finish up this content and if that means spending another couple of issues on this, or whatever, that's fine. I'd prefer them to be done with this eventually then have the story not move on it for a really long time.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
You mad?
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"Be a beacon?"
Blue Mourning: lvl. 50 Katana/DA
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Last Chance for Eden: lvl 50 Fire/Kin
Myra the Grey: lvl 50 Bots/Traps
1 Minute to Midnight lvl 50 Spines/DA
Reading through this -
Server list merge - Yay. Good. About time. Hey, you Euro-altaholics, guess what... more slots!
As for the rest... lots of me shaking my head.
"Bring a stealth member..."
Great. So now we're planning stuff around "must have" powers? Or even "Strongly suggested" powers? Really guys?
Remember the "Casual" theme? Or is someone drinking the "pity slot" nonsense?
"street clothes not very heroic" - so what? We have some anyway, and more are appreciated. How about *not* limiting things?
"Praetorian story is too good to leave behind" - no, it isn't. Besides, other stories have been "left behind" for a while.
"Personal lairs impacting performance" - uh huh. I find this a bit hard to believe.
Shadow shard a "big undertaking" - no, it isn't. It's a large, empty set of zones. Here's a suggestion - practice looking up backstory and lore to put some GOOD content in Dark Astoria, then do the same with the Shard. You don't have to redo the zone. Just PUT SOME DAMN CONTENT IN IT (and update the old, week-long task forces so they're not such a PITA.)
"Epic ATs are hard to maintain" - WTH does this even mean? Or did someone's brain explode trying to write the crap arcs VEATs got?
Stalkers will be pleased they finally become usefull in a trial
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Maybe Tyrant could use it as a staging ground for his invasion?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Just PUT SOME DAMN CONTENT IN IT
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@Golden Girl
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Just to make it easier for future friends across the pond...if it's good and it comes from anywhere within the British Isles then it is British. If it's not so good and isn't from England, then it is definitely Scottish, Welsh or Irish. That is the general rule of thumb, follow that and you won't go far wrong.|
Originally Posted by Daemodand
"England expects that every man will do his duty."
This distinction between British and English seems a largely modern affectation. Historically, they've been interchangeable. |
Server list merge is great news, I get to create alts on the "Oceania" server soon!! Strewth, it's like coming home - break out the ice cold VB
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Right. Because there were no storylines dealing with the Coralax, Marcones, Mu/Oranbega, Wailers, Council, Devouring Earth, etc etc in i6 and i7. Even some of the Arachnos storylines weren't really about Arachnos; members of Arachnos just happened to be major players, such as Scirocco's second arc.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Issue 6: along came a Spider: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam..._a_spider.html
Issue 7: Destiny Manifest: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...anifest_1.html |
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Issue 9: Breakthrough: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/gam...akthrough.html Unprecendented? Um. No. Excepting Issue 8 which was mostly filler to bring City of Heroes inline with City of Villains adding Police Band / Safeguards, and the revamped Faultine... |
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| For two years after the CoV expansion, major storyline updates focused on NOTHING but the Arachnos. Leaving people who don't care for that enemy or storyline out in the cold for a very very long time, with no end in sight. |
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| Get over yourself and run any of the other countless story arcs, missions, task forces, that have nothing to do with Praetoria. Or better yet, make your OWN story arcs in Architect Entertainment, and write the content YOU want to play. |
As for using AE to make my own, um, yeah, I do. You do NOT want to get me started on all the problems with AE, and why it is NOT a substitute for good and varied dev-created content.
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You're right. Revamping an entire zone is easy. When you add two more, 4 Task Forces, Geometry that's not good for all travel powers, it gets even easier!!!! Add in enemies that most consider some of the hardest in the game, and it gets even easier!!!!|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Reading through this -
Server list merge - Yay. Good. About time. Hey, you Euro-altaholics, guess what... more slots! As for the rest... lots of me shaking my head. "Bring a stealth member..." Great. So now we're planning stuff around "must have" powers? Or even "Strongly suggested" powers? Really guys? Remember the "Casual" theme? Or is someone drinking the "pity slot" nonsense? "street clothes not very heroic" - so what? We have some anyway, and more are appreciated. How about *not* limiting things? "Praetorian story is too good to leave behind" - no, it isn't. Besides, other stories have been "left behind" for a while. "Personal lairs impacting performance" - uh huh. I find this a bit hard to believe. Shadow shard a "big undertaking" - no, it isn't. It's a large, empty set of zones. Here's a suggestion - practice looking up backstory and lore to put some GOOD content in Dark Astoria, then do the same with the Shard. You don't have to redo the zone. Just PUT SOME DAMN CONTENT IN IT (and update the old, week-long task forces so they're not such a PITA.) "Epic ATs are hard to maintain" - WTH does this even mean? Or did someone's brain explode trying to write the crap arcs VEATs got? |
Wow, you mean all you have to do is add content!!!! WOW.
Seriously. It's a big damn undertaking.
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I'd also like to point out that "Bringing a member who can stealth" is a lot more broad than "Bring a stalker." Everyone has access to the stealth pool, lots of people have superspeed, and lots of people can simply stealth by bulling their way through. So it's not an AT requirement. This is like "Bring enough damage so you can take down an AV".
"Be a beacon?"
Blue Mourning: lvl. 50 Katana/DA
Bree the Barricade: lvl 50 Stone/Axe
Last Chance for Eden: lvl 50 Fire/Kin
Myra the Grey: lvl 50 Bots/Traps
1 Minute to Midnight lvl 50 Spines/DA
Shadow shard . . . . . . the best place i can go for street sweeping for good rewards, yet also the best place to get your butt handed to you within a second.
You either kill them quickly or they kill you
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Cause if you're right it means no powerset prolif or anythign else before 22.
Let me get this straight. You are lumping power-set proliferation, with is a technical task, in with Praetorian Story Content?
... I'll be straight Aura. That is a really messed up point of view.
You need to go read my post here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...77&postcount=5
The developers tasked with writing and implementing Praetorian Raids, and events, are not likely to be the same developers that handle power animations.
Thing is, very few new enemies will be likely be implemented in the future raids. Most of the enemies we know we'll be facing off against that aren't in the game yet with their full power-sets are the Praetorian Goatee Brigade.
Yes. Some of them will be getting new animations to go along with their new costumes. That does not mean that the animators will ONLY be working on a handful of new animations.
On that same token, the developers that handle the User Interface work for the game are not likely to be needed for the Raids. Yes, they might need to take a moment to create a new window with text and link the output of the window to input from NPC events, such as the window showing the health of Her Majesty Queen Bobcat and Neuron in Tin Mage Task Force.
The focus on Incarnate Raids, more than likely, will free UP the development resources to pull OFF power-set proliferation and other technical improvements which require development skills that the Incarnate Raids most likely won't be needing.