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Posted on: 2011-03-12 08:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Half a moment here...
This whole "merge the EU/US servers" thing... does that mean that everyone will have complete access to all servers? If it does then that means more character slots for free, doesn't it? Dear lord... more servers means I need to expand out my tournament so I still have a team on every server... which means more spreadsheets... which means re-vamping the spreadsheets I already have... Wait a second... but... but... would it be fair to the newer characters I create that they will be going up against veteran characters that have had so much more play time than them....? Oh no... |
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Agreed. It's the character under the clothes that's heroic. :P I really think we could make great use of an Urban Pack or Secret Identity Pack or hell, just for free street clothes. I don't think Suits are very heroic if you look at a business suit in general but we have them and plenty of heroes and villains use them in the game.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Am I the only one who finds this to be very disappointing, and a bit of a disservice? For a game that touts customization, saying "Oh, you can't have a street clothe wearing hero, it's not heroic." strikes me as being a big mistake.
Heroes can be caught offguard, or maybe not have time to get into their costume. We have Pocket D and Studio 55 for roleplaying, there are characters that aren't spandex clad heroes, that street clothing would suit, it would suit villains to for similar reasons. Also, if street clothes 'aren't very heroic', then what the hell, Party Pack? How heroic is dancing like Michael Jackson, or bouncing a basketball? |
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Half a moment here...
This whole "merge the EU/US servers" thing... does that mean that everyone will have complete access to all servers? If it does then that means more character slots for free, doesn't it? Dear lord... more servers means I need to expand out my tournament so I still have a team on every server... which means more spreadsheets... which means re-vamping the spreadsheets I already have... Wait a second... but... but... would it be fair to the newer characters I create that they will be going up against veteran characters that have had so much more play time than them....? Oh no... |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Goblin_Queen
Agreed. It's the character under the clothes that's heroic. :P I really think we could make great use of an Urban Pack or Secret Identity Pack or hell, just for free street clothes. I don't think Suits are very heroic if you look at a business suit in general but we have them and plenty of heroes and villains use them in the game.
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I was a bit put off by that, lots of heroes have thought crime in their civvies or do so regularly. Superboy as an example.
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Serverlist merge?
Awesome, i just hope it doesn't end up being the death of the EU servers.
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QFT ^ I know I get a lot of use out of 'street clothes' and really wish we had more.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Am I the only one who finds this to be very disappointing, and a bit of a disservice? For a game that touts customization, saying "Oh, you can't have a street clothe wearing hero, it's not heroic." strikes me as being a big mistake.
Heroes can be caught offguard, or maybe not have time to get into their costume. We have Pocket D and Studio 55 for roleplaying, there are characters that aren't spandex clad heroes, that street clothing would suit, it would suit villains to for similar reasons. Also, if street clothes 'aren't very heroic', then what the hell, Party Pack? How heroic is dancing like Michael Jackson, or bouncing a basketball? |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I agree completely with Z. It's incredibly disappointing that they dismissed the idea of street clothing as "not heroic". There are plenty of street-clothed heroes around, and dismissing it out of hand is pretty worrying - it's a disconnect from the genre they're trying to encompass.
The existing civilian clothing options are restrictive. The baggy options look incredibly dated compared to the newer stuff. There's a ton of 'suit' options but nothing casual beyond the tshirts/vests that stick to your skin totally.
Not to mention the vast majority of chest emblems that are interesting can't be used on the Tshirt/vest patterns without running up off the collar.
Hooded tops, jeans, lower boots, and so on would be more than welcome. We don't need the gang colours logos and so on. But we can use things like the scrapyarder's puffer jackets and hard hats, the troll's body warmers and torn jeans, the boots (I think) the hellions use, the makeshift armour and jackets/jeans/shirts the Lost wear (for that distressed look).
In fact, in addition to that, wouldn't mind extending it to new weapons as well. A stop and yield signs for shields. Parking meter for mace and axe. More improvised weapons for the heroes that are super street fighters.
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Half a moment here...
This whole "merge the EU/US servers" thing... does that mean that everyone will have complete access to all servers? If it does then that means more character slots for free, doesn't it? Dear lord... more servers means I need to expand out my tournament so I still have a team on every server... which means more spreadsheets... which means re-vamping the spreadsheets I already have... Wait a second... but... but... would it be fair to the newer characters I create that they will be going up against veteran characters that have had so much more play time than them....? Oh no... |
Hmmm, make a European tournament. So, it's separate. See? All better now, not at all unfair, because the European server characters will be on their own tournament system. That should be okay, right?
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Nope. You're not the only one.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Am I the only one who finds this to be very disappointing, and a bit of a disservice? For a game that touts customization, saying "Oh, you can't have a street clothe wearing hero, it's not heroic." strikes me as being a big mistake.
Heroes can be caught offguard, or maybe not have time to get into their costume. We have Pocket D and Studio 55 for roleplaying, there are characters that aren't spandex clad heroes, that street clothing would suit, it would suit villains to for similar reasons. Also, if street clothes 'aren't very heroic', then what the hell, Party Pack? How heroic is dancing like Michael Jackson, or bouncing a basketball? |
Though the option does not top my list of desired costume themes and parts, it is as you say a disservice to the spirit of the game as it has evolved amongst the player base.
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I am very glad street clothes got put on the back burner. Give us SUPERHERO stuff!
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Am I the only one who finds this to be very disappointing, and a bit of a disservice? For a game that touts customization, saying "Oh, you can't have a street clothe wearing hero, it's not heroic." strikes me as being a big mistake.
Heroes can be caught offguard, or maybe not have time to get into their costume. We have Pocket D and Studio 55 for roleplaying, there are characters that aren't spandex clad heroes, that street clothing would suit, it would suit villains to for similar reasons. Also, if street clothes 'aren't very heroic', then what the hell, Party Pack? How heroic is dancing like Michael Jackson, or bouncing a basketball? |
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You're not the only one, one thing I want to bring to attention of the Devs is that 'Hero' is a word that's changed and evolved since the beginning of humanity. Early heroes were only considered such because they had the power to get away with about anything they wanted, including ****. (See many classical heroes and gods)|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Am I the only one who finds this to be very disappointing, and a bit of a disservice? For a game that touts customization, saying "Oh, you can't have a street clothe wearing hero, it's not heroic." strikes me as being a big mistake.
Heroes can be caught offguard, or maybe not have time to get into their costume. We have Pocket D and Studio 55 for roleplaying, there are characters that aren't spandex clad heroes, that street clothing would suit, it would suit villains to for similar reasons. Also, if street clothes 'aren't very heroic', then what the hell, Party Pack? How heroic is dancing like Michael Jackson, or bouncing a basketball? |
It wasn't until later on that morality became an important aspect of heroes, and morality has also changed and evolved within the general consensus of humanity and can still seem very alien between cultures and even sub-cultures, such as the 47 Ronin.
Finally, in modern times, 'heroes' do not become heroes for their feats of strength or divine mandate, but by the strength of their hearts and the mandate of the people. They come in many shapes and forms, and in modern times, they wear street clothes too.
Nate, tell me Martin Luther King Jr. IS NOT heroic with an honest face.
Besides of which, heroes aren't the only characters people play, and villains also come in casual.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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It should be said, however, that Martin Luther King Jr. isn't exactly the kind of hero we want to play in this game. You don't level by making speeches or performing marches, or by signing petitions. I mean, Mahatma Ghandi would be a weird figure to play too, but he definitely was a hero as well.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
You're not the only one, one thing I want to bring to attention of the Devs is that 'Hero' is a word that's changed and evolved since the beginning of humanity. Early heroes were only considered such because they had the power to get away with about anything they wanted, including ****. (See many classical heroes and gods)
It wasn't until later on that morality became an important aspect of heroes, and morality has also changed and evolved within the general consensus of humanity and can still seem very alien between cultures and even sub-cultures, such as the 47 Ronin. Finally, in modern times, 'heroes' do not become heroes for their feats of strength or divine mandate, but by the strength of their hearts and the mandate of the people. They come in many shapes and forms, and in modern times, they wear street clothes too. Nate, tell me Martin Luther King Jr. IS NOT heroic with an honest face. Besides of which, heroes aren't the only characters people play, and villains also come in casual. |
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Hmn....this is where my knowledge fails me. Anyone else got good examples of super and/or hero designs with casual clothes? Because I know they're out there.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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All non Sentai anime/manga heroes?
Glad to read that it sounds like back details are *finally* after the better part of a decade of requests in the production queue. But the not *too* soon remark does give me pause. 1 year? 2 years? It's getting late.
The desire to revamp at least some of the legacy content, even if it is only legacy TFs is encouraging.
And add my name into the hat hoping that IDF costume bits (or something!) are coming to the players with i20.
To be clear, that list of trials... that's mapping out i20, i21 and likely i22, correct?
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Union isn't known for its wit or intelligence - Euro side, it has a similar reputation to Freedom server |
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
and a comment that rude is helping? particularly when he explained himself? that was not the mark of someone from an "intelligent" server.
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I'd use them for civilian/secret identity costumes honestly.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Hmn....this is where my knowledge fails me. Anyone else got good examples of super and/or hero designs with casual clothes? Because I know they're out there.
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But then of course I'd clamor for a few more costume slots per character... >.>
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Point, but part of me can't help but think sometimes the hero players should try these kinds of things..|
Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning
It should be said, however, that Martin Luther King Jr. isn't exactly the kind of hero we want to play in this game. You don't level by making speeches or performing marches, or by signing petitions. I mean, Mahatma Ghandi would be a weird figure to play too, but he definitely was a hero as well.
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I mean you can only punch out Frost Fire or Dredge so many times before you start to wonder if we're only attacking the symptoms of the disease of evil and not the disease itself.
You know, just maybe the Lost wouldn't be so lost if they had people who were there for them, provided meals, helped them find work, etc. etc.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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I think it's more from the point of view of selling the game - normal clothes simply don't look as intertesting as costumes when it comes to attracting attention from potential players - screenshots of 3 new styles of T-shirt aren't as likely to get as much attention as screenshots of animal heads, for example.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I was a bit put off by that, lots of heroes have thought crime in their civvies or do so regularly. Superboy as an example.
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I'd make some kind of sexist comment just to get you all riled up for that but I'm sure someone more verbose will be along in a second. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Union isn't known for its wit or intelligence - Euro side, it has a similar reputation to Freedom server
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These are my questions as well and concerns. The old TFs and SFs really suck bad. I can't stand them and even the WST hasn't tempted me too much (although I have done a couple).
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Glad to read that it sounds like back details are *finally* after the better part of a decade of requests in the production queue. But the not *too* soon remark does give me pause. 1 year? 2 years? It's getting late.
The desire to revamp at least some of the legacy content, even if it is only legacy TFs is encouraging. And add my name into the hat hoping that IDF costume bits (or something!) are coming to the players with i20. To be clear, that list of trials... that's mapping out i20, i21 and likely i22, correct? |
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Probably that whole "protecting millions of innocent Praetorians" thing that Heroes are forced to do, instead of the more heroic option of unleashing a word-destroying mosnter.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
So there's the big Hammi announcement for PAX they mentioned. Why are we not just letting Hammi take out Praetoria for us again? Besides Prometheus saying so?
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This whole "merge the EU/US servers" thing... does that mean that everyone will have complete access to all servers? If it does then that means more character slots for free, doesn't it?
Dear lord... more servers means I need to expand out my tournament so I still have a team on every server... which means more spreadsheets... which means re-vamping the spreadsheets I already have...
Wait a second... but... but... would it be fair to the newer characters I create that they will be going up against veteran characters that have had so much more play time than them....?
Oh no...