Does anyone here even LIKE comic books?


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If devs give players a Power Girl style outfit, then someone's going to tint it in trippy colors, add long hair, and make Flower Power Girl.
Funny, I once created a character named Flower Power. Yes, she had long hair and wore trippy colors (with a day-glow peace sign on her chest). Not a character I played, but a character in a spoof AE mission I wrote.


 

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
That would be silly, broken,




and freaking awesome.
Further more, I might actually bother rolling an AR character if it had more dakka like Santa Supes had. The Syndicate Chaingun temp power from GR is a good start...if they duct taped two more to it plus a grenade launcher and mounted it to a steadicam harness.


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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Being interested in Asian entertainment doesn't make you crazy. Being crazy helps, though.
That it does.

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Especially for One Piece where you absolutely must suspend your disbelief to enjoy it.
... I like to shout "Corgi Corgi noooo:" right before making my dog do tricks. Or tackling him. >_>

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Funny, I once created a character named Flower Power. ... Not a character I played, but a character in a spoof AE mission I wrote.
Of course not. That name was taken approximately seven seconds after the game first went live on all servers.


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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay View Post
My favorite thing about people that rant against political correctness is that being annoyed by political correctness validates it. How? Keep your eye on the ball, kids:

You're annoyed by their words, so you communicate with your own words that words are "only words." If they were "only words", these "Proudly Anti-PC People" should have found alternate pronouns far easier to ignore by now.

Unfortunately, it seems that words do carry implicit and subtle meanings which can upset someone. So...

We are offended we hurt you with our thoughtless word choice and will be sensitive to your preferences in the future. :P
Wrong. Their words aren't annoying. What's annoying is that their agenda is being enforced by our employers and government.


 

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Originally Posted by Neuronia View Post
Probably a small minority here but...

I never grew up reading superhero comic books. Since I was raised in a francophone household, my lit consisted of stuff like Asterix, Tintin, Gaston Lagaffe, Iznogoud, Buck Danny...the first two you could call "superheroic" I guess, since Asterix gets super strength from a potion and they both have high cunning/mental acuity.
Oh, awesome! I'm an American here, but I'm definately a huge fan of both Asterix and Tintin. Tintin I first encountered in a children's magazine when I was a little kid, and my 7th Grade teacher was an Asterix fan and got me hooked on it.

Asterix most definately fits in the superhero mold, even though he's set in ancient Rome. I even have a homage to the character here I named "Ampersand".


 

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Wrong. Their words aren't annoying. What's annoying is that their agenda is being enforced by our employers and government.
Yeah. Totally sucks having to treat women and minorities as real people. I hear you, man. [/sarcasm]


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^ This
what's the big deal about "less than red 3"?


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Poison: You could replace the supervillains with orcs or Imperial stormtroopers and I doubt they would even notice the difference -- or care if they did.
Completely untrue; if people here wanted to be playing fantasy or SW-themed games, they would be there doing it. Some of us are here to get away from all that. I think orcs, dragons and hobbits are silly.

We do indeed enjoy the comics milieu. We just don't do a lot of public roleplay. Public roleplay is rare, and if you are here for that you may find this game disappointing.


 

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Further more, I might actually bother rolling an AR character if it had more dakka like Santa Supes had. The Syndicate Chaingun temp power from GR is a good start...if they duct taped two more to it plus a grenade launcher and mounted it to a steadicam harness.
Your perspective on tankers is Superman punching a hole through intestines and your perspective on blasters is Superman packing Macross Missile Massacre firepower. I now have a perverse need to know what you need to enjoy Defenders. I'm guessing Red Kryptonite is involved.


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Anyway, on to a post of my own:

I've been a fan of comic books all my life, Western style superheroes growing up, and Japanese Manga and Anime when I was a teenager. I don't really have a problem with any of them, I like all the genres, and couldn't care less if they are compatible or not.

One thing I do feel I have to point out, is that comic books, particularly in the West, are our modern age's version of mythology. It's not a coincidence that Thor and Hercules and mythologically inspired superheroes like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel draw from Ancient Greek and Norse myths. We are retelling those myths, in our modern day and age, with our modern backdrop of science and technology. But the stories are still the same old stories, and the heroes are still the same old heroes.

Star Wars is the same thing. Check out Joseph Campbell some time.

In the Golden Age, heroes were mostly magical and mythical in nature. Wonder Woman started out as an Amazon empowered by the Greek Gods. Dr. Fate and many of the other heroes mentioned previously were derived from the same sources. Even today, you've still got characters like Dr. Strange with magical powers, dealing with the occult, or recurring demonic characters like Mephisto providing magical and mythical influences for heroes that are otherwise science or technology-based.

The Silver Age introduce the science and technology angle, with Green Lantern reinvisioned as a member of a space Corps, and The Flash with less nods to Mercury. (Garrick's origin was apparently somewhat scientific in nature, but then so was Superman, but this was considerably expanded on after the birth of the Atomic Age) And the dark anti-heroes of the 80's and 90's, whether you like them or not, are part of the history of the genre as well. So I think CoH does a good job of combining all these influences, and building a backstory and universe of its own.

For me, personally, my main characters have always been superheroes in the Golden Age and Silver Age sense. Jade Dragon, Blue Diamond, Genie Gold and Silver Bolt would all have been completely at home in any comic of the 50s through 70s. Element Dog, the original version of Genie Gold, was very much based on the funny animal characters, like Krypto and Marvel Bunny. Although he was also very strongly inspired by Mr. Peabody of the Rocky and Bullwinckle Show.

My two cyberpunk characters, though, Alan Midnight and his AI Rachel, are very much influenced by modern dark comics, as well as film noir detective movies, and cyberpunk influences like Neuromancer and Johnny Mnemonic. Not a small amount of Tron, as well. Bloodwolf is definately a modern hero in the non-costumed, mercenary vigilante mold, plus very strongly inspired by a TV Series called the Sword of Justice.

Sandy, and in fact Rachel, are inspired by Anime, specifically Battle Angel Alita and Ghost in the Shell. Sandy goes beyond that into a sort of teenage angst, reluctant heroine kind of mold, like Sailor Moon, the X-Men, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Her story would be perfectly at home in a totally different genre, as she was originally created for a fanfic story I wrote for another game, but she makes a great (if reluctant) superhero too.

I guess ultimately what I have to say is that when comic books range from Looney Tunes to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to Strangers in Paradise, to The Maxx to Maus, what does it really mean to say, "this is a game about comic books?" Is it a game about comic book SUPERheroes? Or is it just a game about comic book HEROES? Is it a game about heroes in general? About heroes in the movies and TV shows as well? Is a pulp novel detective, or a mystical space-faring knight, or a sword swinging barbarian really out of place here?

You know, I actually find the fact that you can create other MMOs' characters here, and you can't create these characters there, to be a GOOD thing.


 

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Wrong. Their words aren't annoying. What's annoying is that their agenda is being enforced by our employers and government.
I can't respond to this without getting into political and social issues. If you want to keep talking about it in PMs, let me know.


 

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You'll have a lot of fun if you ever study Russian, or any of the other Cyrillic languages, then
Portuguese also has gender for almost everything... using some of your examples:

Table = female
Chair = female
Knife = female
Fork = male


But then... there is also words that have versions for both genders and a few neutral...

Knight has the two versions
Ninja is neutral

And I probably could make this even weirder... but enough about portuguese...


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Time-Traveling Harry S Truman, Defeater of the Moonmen and Champion of the
Capital of Earth, America: Can do!
The best character I have ever seen in this game was Time-Travelling Teddy Roosevelt FROM SPACE. Seriously the best thing ever. Teamed up with Zombie Kennedy and Cyborg Lincoln.


 

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It's about time someone stood up and did something about these ridiculous characters ruining the game. They are interfering with the story of my telekinetic babe from Earth 2561.xxx.09 who came back to life after swallowing a star while possessed by the Phoenix Force that created a clone that flirted with a regenerating science experiment but married lazer beam guy whose kid went to another dimension and returned with big guns.


 

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Maybe it's just a virtue thing then. But I know I've seen fantasy styled Elves, Trolls, Ogres, Hobbits...ect...characters.
I've seen a few on Liberty... along with what seemed to be faeries, knights, and other such. But (as someone who plays characters that could themselves, if judged on appearances only, be easily mistaken for Fantasy MMO refugees-), I do feel like I have to point out that not every City toon with cute pointy ears, a bow in its hands and a costume that's out-of-fashion by a couple of centuries is intended to represent an elf. Not everything with big, fluffy white wings and a sword is an angel.

My own are Rularuu.

But even if they are supposed to be elves and orcs... Why would it be a problem? It's not like those things haven't shown up time and again in the source material.


Then again, I'm a life-long Doc Strange fan-girl, so my idea of what fits in a comic book world is probably a little off-the-wall.


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Does anyone here even LIKE comic books?
Yes, I do. I have several hundreds of them on my shelve. Though not the American superhero types generally.

I am more a fan of things like Thorgal, Jeremiah, Storm, De Rode Ridder (The Red Knight), ... Old classics like Asterix or gags like Gaston Lagaffe, Dommel, ... Mostly Belgian/French/Dutch stuff.
Most of my characters are based on American style superheroes though. About a third of them have written bios and a few use their 'real' name.

On other subjects:

I personally appreciate it when people point out typos in my bios. And I usually do point them out when I read them in other peoples bios. If they give me grief for it I just think: "well, you're the one looking like an illiterate, not me", and move on.

Pronouns: I honestly thought the OP was intentionally mistyping them as some sort of jab to the person who got angry at him for correcting his typos.

Also, I default to the male pronouns when in doubt (in game I usually refer to the gender of the character). Because that's the 'rule' in Dutch, my native language, and thus what I'm used too. If people get offended by that, then well, that's to bad really, but not a lot I can do about it.


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Mine was, "why can't I choose Super Strength on the offensive melee AT?"
Because everyone knows super strong characters are weak unless they're villains or frothing rabid.


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Because everyone knows super strong characters are weak unless they're villains or frothing rabid.
Because Power Proliferation has not been completed and the original (prerelease) game was something along the lines of "tankers slow attacks heavy hit and scrapper quick attack lighter hit" both with about the same long term DPS (if the scrapper didn't die). This started to break down sometime before release I think but by then there was already SS for tankers and MA for scrappers.


 

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I seem to see a ton more creations based on anime than actual comics.

And most of the comic-related characters I see are so horribly dark and gritty that you sometimes want to start cutting yourself, and maybe even others, due to the sheer emo and attitude they put off.


 

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I will admit that rarely are our villains this:



and a bit more often this:



but I think that the devs at least try to give us this:



They just need more of them.
I always found the Disco Boys to be classic. And the fact that Casanova Frankenstein could call on an army of separately themed goons was great!

Isn't Nemesis our Magneto equivalent? Emperor Cole is our Zod. Maybe we need more, but we have those avenues covered


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But even if they are supposed to be elves and orcs... Why would it be a problem? It's not like those things haven't shown up time and again in the source material.
I have a character who is supposed to be an elf. She IS the Elf from the video game Gauntlet Legends. Not based on it, not an homage to it, no, some Freakshow got hold of some Circle of Thorns incantations and SUMMONED the video game characters out of the game.

I do have a bunch of characters that are based on my characters from my Dungeons and Dragons days, though. So they're in the sword and sorcery mold. Their origins are kind of shady and mysterious, though, I have one elven character that says absolutely nothing about him being an elf, just "he appeared one day". The same for a white-haired Amazon who just appeared, apparently in some sort of fever delirium, clutching a scimitar. I also have a couple of characters that are modern incarnations of my characters, one is his great-great-great grandson, while another is a young boy who just picked up a bow one day and went hunting baddies because he wanted some adventure.

My main villain, who ties them all together, is from the past, and knows about their former selves. He was imprisoned by the Circle of Thorns for a thousand years. So now that he's back, forces are working behind the scenes to re-unite his old enemies so they can stop him again from fulfilling his plans of conquest.

Seriously, you can explain any background in this game. Call it alternate universes, or clones, or deals with the devil. It's not like those kinds of things never happen in comic books.


 

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Are these pronouns used in RL at all? I had never seen them used.

I agree the English language needs some genderless pronouns.
I've never seen anyone use those particular pronouns, but the sentiment has been around for decades.

To be honest, I find them distracting and silly. A better choice is the much more naturalistic third-person plural, "they." It already enjoys wide currency, and though it is not (currently) grammatically correct, because of the disagreement in number, language is all about utility,flexibility and change.

What do I mean about change? Centuries ago the word "you," or one of its forms, was used for the second-person plural. "Thou" was the second-person singular. Since then we've dumped thou and use the same word for singular and plural.

Obviously there's still a grammatical necessity for distinguishing number to eliminate ambiguity in some cases, and many regions have developed replacements. For example, "Y'all" is the plural form in the South, and "Youse" has been used in in the East. The rest of us are forced to use some other circumlocution to avoid confusion.

Thus, using "they" for the indefinite third person is no stranger than using "you" for the second person.

All changes in language start out being "wrong." Some achieve wide use and become "right" and grammatical.


 

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Jab could only wish to be so interesting.

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To elaborate, I didn't just play the JLA: Act of God card lightly.
I feel it's quite appropriate to what you always seemed to champion and part of what's wrong with the game: Blue Blue powered down, useless and ineffectual with his ideal **** upon. A gigantic swooning love letter to how 'awsum' Bat-Scrapper is while basically flipping off the Atom, Martian Manhunter, the Flash and other heroes. A massive mishandling of a cool idea that had potential.


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And you, sir, need to grow some kind of sense about video game design and balancing. Everything you want would require a completely different game engine and would also make this game even more niche than it is. Don't you ever wonder why none of the Super Hero based video games are built around the ideas you champion?

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