Does anyone here even LIKE comic books?


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Having to read it, on the other hand...
As the words get used more often, more people will recognize the words.


 

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Because PoisonPen isn't assuming anything about the gender of the person she/he was talking to. And it's a lot easier to type sie and hir than she/he and his/her.
It's even easier to just use "he" which can also properly be used as a gender neutral pronoun without adding pointless words that look german or hungarian to the mix.


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I'm a new player here at CoX

This is only my second month playing, but I'm already questioning whether I want to continue.
Hmm. Let's ask the experts.



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As the words get used more often, more people will recognize the words.
More to the point, if they are in fact used in real life conversations how do you pronounce them?

i've been friends with at least half a dozen TS/TG people in transition, met probably at least five times that many, and none of them have ever used those words in speech or writing any time when i interacted with them. (As far as i can tell, since i have no idea how they're pronounced.) Which is odd since you'd think gender neutral pronouns would be ideal for people who are between genders or eschewing any sort of set gender identity.
Oh well, maybe someday.

Incidentally, i have to say that the OP is at least making the effort to live up to the expectations of their forum handle.


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To address the costume choices:

This game is always adding more costume bits. Specifically, there is an animal themed booster pack coming up next, which should hopefully address some of your concerns about the lack of heads.

Also, try mixing and matching parts more. The objects you can layer, like a helmet with it's various additions, can be simple or very complex, depending on how you use it. It's not perfect, but this costume editor is far and away the best in the business.

To address the immersion problem:

As others have said, some servers are more geared for that than others. However, I suspect that if you're looking for the type of immersion a PnP game gives you, you'd be better off playing a PnP, which lends itself to that type of role-play better than a computer game that is limited by the mechanics of having to be a game first and a role-playing experience second.

If you're running into level 50 characters, chances are these are people that have been playing this game for years, and when you've done the same content for years, you tend to ignore the game world and focus on mechanics. It happens in every game.


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I love comics. I actually don't particularly care for capes-and-tights superhero comics, so I'm glad this game is not only about capes-and-tights superheroes. I like this game because it lets me play powerful people who punch dudes for various reasons, and look cool doing it.
I'm still waiting for a Bowel Disruptor temp power, though.


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More to the point, if they are in fact used in real life conversations how do you pronounce them?

i've been friends with at least half a dozen TS/TG people in transition, met probably at least five times that many, and none of them have ever used those words in speech or writing any time when i interacted with them. (As far as i can tell, since i have no idea how they're pronounced.) Which is odd since you'd think gender neutral pronouns would be ideal for people who are between genders or eschewing any sort of set gender identity.
Oh well, maybe someday.

Incidentally, i have to say that the OP is at least making the effort to live up to the expectations of their forum handle.
I thought people transitioning had distinct preferences. If someone asked that you use the term "he" or "she" then you don't use a gender neutral term. And usually, if the gender of the person in reference is known or assumed, "he" or "she" will be used. Only if the person prefers to have the gender neutral term or if gender determination isn't possible to most people use the neutral terms.


 

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They create stupid or boring names (some of them don't even bother to think of superhero names, they use what appears to be a name chosen randomly from a phone book), and can't be bothered to create even the most basic background.
I have Jonathan and Amanda Wong, siblings from Praetoria. They escaped to Paragon City. Jonathan now works as a translator, and Amanda works in a store in Talos Island. They fight the Tsoo to save the place they've come to know as home. They're not 'super heroes', they don't have code names. They're just people with martial arts skills. Why should I attach unneeded code names and so forth to them, when those two do?

Same goes for Zahir Rolando, my roboticist, and his friend Maxine 'Maxi' Pound. There's reasons why they don't have 'hero names'.

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They and Their work fine for gender neutral stuff. Example:

Sie replied that if sie wanted someone to edit hir background text sie would ask over Global

They replied that if they wanted someone to edit their background text they would ask over Global.


 

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The final straw for me may have been the exchange I had last night with a "50" where I sent hir a message that sie had a few typos in hir background, and helpfully provided the corrections. Sie replied that if sie wanted someone to edit hir background text sie would ask over Global, and that I was now welcomed to (and I quote) "iggy." I was taken aback by the sheer sour rudeness, and it ruined all my sense of enjoyment for the evening.
This is going to be hard for you to hear and possibly even understand, but you were the rude one in this situation. You were stepping all over another person's enjoyment of the game for no reason other than correcting spelling in not-even-a-document that is 90% intended for that person's sole use. Not only that, in doing so you also stumbled into a consequence that ruined your own enjoyment. So nobody wins. Clearly worth it for correct spelling and grammar.

I would consider this a lesson, myself.


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I agree the English language needs some genderless pronouns.

I always thought the gender neutral English pronoun was "Dude!"


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I always thought the gender neutral English pronoun was "Dude!"
Not quite. "Dude" happens to be the only word in an inflection based language, the name of which I do not know.


 

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Another reason for the abundance of Level 50s is that they just added the start of new content for Level 50 characters (Incarnate system) so there are six years of Level 50 characters being dusted off and played to prepare for expanded content.

This is on top of those players looking to pimp out there level 50 with the best "loot" (rare and ultra rare Invention Origin Enhancements) in the game which necessitates grinding for drops or money, which is easiest to do with a Level 50.

Also after six years, classic sounding superhero names are pretty well used up leaving you with names like the The Flaming Lisp (note this video, "Your Superpowers and You" was done 4 years ago and we had this problem back then). Also not all characters need to be traditional spandex clad superheros, this is City of Heroes, so secret agents, aliens, dimension hopping elves, accidental time travelers, mythical beings (admittedly have been used in comics as superhero origins) are wandering about, why shouldn't they have "names pulled from a telephone book".

The original selection of costume parts for CoH were quite limited until CoV came out. The number of items for things like shoulders and belts tripled or quadrupled. Yes this meant there are 35 bone spikes and a dozen skulls pieces and let's not spend to much time discussing eye plugs but basic chest and leg pieces, the addition of jackets and coats (original CoH had the whole suit as one fixed piece) have added valid "hero" looks as well as the "darkity dark dark" pieces. And now with side switching, "villains" can be found anywhere now so if they want to keep their edgier look, who am I to disagree.

Lastly, nobody likes unsolicited advice. Nobody likes a spelling or grammar Nazi. If you want to hang and play with people who are willing to RP their characters, basically Virtue but there are a few RP groups on every server, players who bothered to include a character description and background, then wait until you become friends with them.


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I always thought the gender neutral English pronoun was "Dude!"

OFT and statistically your prolbly right.


Back on topic I do like comic books but i'm highly selective on what I read

For example. http://www.joebenitez.com/mechanika.htm

I also read a lot of web comics there are a lot of good ones out there like.

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php

O and http://www.drunkduck.com/Hero_By_Night/?p=101795 was great before it got shut down.


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i've been friends with at least half a dozen TS/TG people in transition, met probably at least five times that many, and none of them have ever used those words in speech or writing any time when i interacted with them. (As far as i can tell, since i have no idea how they're pronounced.) Which is odd since you'd think gender neutral pronouns would be ideal for people who are between genders or eschewing any sort of set gender identity.
Transgender people don't normally think of themselves as genderless; they are so very certain of their gender that they are willing to undergo expensive and painful medical procedures to correct the mismatch between their body-gender and their brain-gender. They should be addressed by whichever gender term they wish, which isn't likely to be a gender neutral one.

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It's even easier to just use "he" which can also properly be used as a gender neutral pronoun without adding pointless words that look german or hungarian to the mix.
Using "he" as a gender neutral term is a good way to aggravate quite a few women. "His/her" or "their" can be awkward but is less likely to spark angry arguments than using "he" in reference to women or even worse "it" in reference to the transgendered (which, yes, I've seen; and no, it wasn't well received).


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Love comics, havent read some in awhile, since, well, they keep changing or getting rid of my favorite characters and I don't like it! Grrrr...

Or some of my favorite comics just didn't survive for one reason or another. I miss The Tenth, Adrenalynn and all of Tony Daniel's other comics!

While I do devote 4 of the 5 costume slots to civvies, when I mission, I almost always (99%) of the time run in my characters hero outfit.

I agree with you though, it sucks to see a lot of non super hero characters running around, and don't believe what people say, this was ORIGINALLY a super hero MMO, it even said so on the first page of the site (it stopped doing that sometime last year tho).

I think this has more to do with most players playing a CoH as just another MMO and less as a superhero comic MMO.

IE...they make their fantasy based characters in the game.

Sadly, this is going to happen in ANY MMO.

You know those licenced games we can't mention? The one's with established properties and histories? Yeeeeaaah, the same problem in those too. :/

Even in fantasy based MMOs you're going to see "Jimmy Two Tone Cyberpunk"

As for some of the names, some of it goes into the category of the players just mentioned, they're here for the game aspect only, they could care less about the setting, some of it will be due to names being taken that have the more superhero/villain sound to them being taken.


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I agree with you though, it sucks to see a lot of non super hero characters running around, and don't believe what people say, this was ORIGINALLY a super hero MMO, it even said so on the first page of the site (it stopped doing that sometime last year tho).

I think this has more to do with most players playing a CoH as just another MMO and less as a superhero comic MMO.

IE...they make their fantasy based characters in the game.
Infernal and the Circle of Thorns are displeased about your opinion of fantasy characters in a superhero game!


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Not quite. "Dude" happens to be the only word in an inflection based language, the name of which I do not know.
I would expect that the name of the language is "Dude".

As for gender-neutral pronouns, I prefer singular "they". God said it, I believe it, that settles it.


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basically what others have said, Freedom or Virtue are the most populated, also keep in mind other factors as well, i.e. school is back in session, one major MMO just had a major expansion, another one just launched( which generally creates temperary lools), some of the most exciting bits added here lately is the end game part. One thing I am curious about, not just from the Devs here, but Devs of other major MMO's as well, if there is a general feeling that the state of the economy has had any impact on the MMO Industry.


 

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I'm a new player here at CoX, although I've been MUDing since the early 80s. It also marks the first time I've paid money to play an MMO. As a huge comic book fan who started reading back when they were still 20 cents each, I was really excited about playing CoX. Imagine my disappointment, then, in what I've experienced.

The first disappointment is that the game feels like a ghost town. I will see a handful of people occasionally, but what few people are around all tend to be level 50s -- and this brings me to the part which annoys me most. The vast majority of the level 50s I've encountered seem to treat this game as just another kill-the-monster, get-the-treasure MMO where the idea is to min/max your power potential. They create stupid or boring names (some of them don't even bother to think of superhero names, they use what appears to be a name chosen randomly from a phone book), and can't be bothered to create even the most basic background. Reading through the various fora here, people seem to be interested solely in obsessing over "toons" and "shards" and "IO builds" and which "AV" slots out best and other arcane trivia. You could replace the supervillains with orcs or Imperial stormtroopers and I doubt they would even notice the difference -- or care if they did.

I tried three or four different servers, just to make sure it wasn't a local phenomenon, and I've experienced the same thing on each one. I'm not a fanatical roleplayer, but I'm frankly baffled that on a game which is supposed to be about comic books, no one seems to have any interest in comic books. It's not helped that the costume creation system appears to be geared toward awful 90s "Dark Age" comics; you can get 200 different types of ugly spiky things for your shoulders, but try getting tassles on your cape or a swashbuckling tabard or animal heads other than "snarling death monster" -- Mr. Talky Tawny is not welcome here.

The final straw for me may have been the exchange I had last night with a "50" where I sent hir a message that sie had a few typos in hir background, and helpfully provided the corrections. Sie replied that if sie wanted someone to edit hir background text sie would ask over Global, and that I was now welcomed to (and I quote) "iggy." I was taken aback by the sheer sour rudeness, and it ruined all my sense of enjoyment for the evening.

This is only my second month playing, but I'm already questioning whether I want to continue.


 

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Because PoisonPen isn't assuming anything about the gender of the person she/he was talking to. And it's a lot easier to type sie and hir than she/he and his/her.
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Are these pronouns used in RL at all? I had never seen them used.

I agree the English language needs some genderless pronouns.
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I actually IS okay to use they and their in these situations.
Indeed. "Singular they" is perfectly standard English except amongst those stuck in 18th Century Latinist Prescriptivism, which is unfortunately what elementary school grammar teachers teach as the norm because... who the heck knows why people with a college education can't recognize that these rules are antiquated.

But you can end a sentence with a preposition, split an infinitive, begin a sentence with a conjunction (cf. this sentence), and use 'they' as a gender-indeterminate singular pronoun. Searches of English usage show these are all *common* and have been part of the language for centuries. That makes them *standard English*, despite the protests of people promoting rules for no reason except that they were taught those rules by people who had no reason except they were taught those rules and so on and so on until you get to some idiot who decided that the grammar of Latin needed to be imposed on English to make it proper.


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Transgender people don't normally think of themselves as genderless; they are so very certain of their gender that they are willing to undergo expensive and painful medical procedures to correct the mismatch between their body-gender and their brain-gender. They should be addressed by whichever gender term they wish, which isn't likely to be a gender neutral one.
True, but i've known three people who actively wanted to be androgynous. i guess they weren't transitioning as such even though they were making efforts to acquire characteristics of the gender they weren't born with.

But yes, generally they want to be addressed by their preferred gender, but by the same token when hanging out with TG people it's possible to meet a fair number of people who you can't tell which is the source and which is the destination gender when you first see them, and neutral pronoun would make inquiring simpler.

And i still don't know how to pronounce it anyway.


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Infernal and the Circle of Thorns are displeased about your opinion of fantasy characters in a superhero game!
I always got sort of a spawn vibe off Infernal, and a Dr Strange vibe off the CoT.


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Indeed. "Singular they" is perfectly standard English except amongst those stuck in 18th Century Latinist Prescriptivism, which is unfortunately what elementary school grammar teachers teach as the norm because... who the heck knows why people with a college education can't recognize that these rules are antiquated.

But you can end a sentence with a preposition, split an infinitive, begin a sentence with a conjunction (cf. this sentence), and use 'they' as a gender-indeterminate singular pronoun. Searches of English usage show these are all *common* and have been part of the language for centuries. That makes them *standard English*, despite the protests of people promoting rules for no reason except that they were taught those rules by people who had no reason except they were taught those rules and so on and so on until you get to some idiot who decided that the grammar of Latin needed to be imposed on English to make it proper.
Ummm...wow. Really. It's not that bad.

They used as a singular noun for the unknown sounds fine. Sie (which how do you prounce it? See? Say?) looks like a new made up word for the internet!

Really, reading what you said, it's like I expect people to say "Let's write books with internet lingo of, lol, instead of laughs out loud, because the english language is so old!"


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