Does anyone here even LIKE comic books?
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Adelie,
Posted on: 2011-01-13 16:15 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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People forget how badass some Golden Age heroes were. The Angel from Marvel Comics precursor Timely Comics for example.|
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
The Silver Age is where most of the well-known cheese comes from, not the Golden Age, which has an entirely different sort of cheese (mainly consisting of Designated Heroes being absolutely brutal to villains, even normal human thugs). To contrast: Silver Age cheese would be Superman being a jerk to Jimmy Olsen in order to protect his secret identity or to teach him a lesson; Golden Age cheese would be Superman threatening to throw a wife-beating man out the window if he doesn't stop, or in several cases actually killing criminals with no repercussions (either legal or ethical).
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Imagine Batman, in baby blue tights and red cape. lol, amirite?
Now imagine that instead of traveling the world to gain his skills, he was raised as a child in prison and learned them from thugs, thieves and murderers. He fights crime not because his parents were murdered, but because he's bored and it's a sport to him. Now imagine that he's so badass he doesn't bother wearing a mask or hide his identity as a well-known billionaire, because if anyone comes after him, he caves their head in.
If you're a crook and he wants information from you, he'll hide in the back seat of your car, put you in a choke hold and when you tell him what he wants, he'll snap your neck for good measure. If you come at him with a knife, he'll shoot you in the face with a Colt 45 before you can blink. Oh, and he's got magic cape that lets him fly, but he rarely uses it because he doesn't need it.
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I have villain toon who're nicer than that. O_O
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
People forget how badass some Golden Age heroes were. The Angel from Marvel Comics precursor Timely Comics for example.
Imagine Batman, in baby blue tights and red cape. lol, amirite? Now imagine that instead of traveling the world to gain his skills, he was raised as a child in prison and learned them from thugs, thieves and murderers. He fights crime not because his parents were murdered, but because he's bored and it's a sport to him. Now imagine that he's so badass he doesn't bother wearing a mask or hide his identity as a well-known billionaire, because if anyone comes after him, he caves their head in. If you're a crook and he wants information from you, he'll hide in the back seat of your car, put you in a choke hold and when you tell him what he wants, he'll snap your neck for good measure. If you come at him with a knife, he'll shoot you in the face with a Colt 45 before you can blink. Oh, and he's got magic cape that lets him fly, but he rarely uses it because he doesn't need it. . |
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Say what you will, this is a pretty thorough job of throwing things down the memory hole.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
A little late for that i think.
Kind of like closing the barn door after the rest of the structure burned down. |
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"Nescit vox missa reverti," as Horace always reminds me. (Of course, I had to look up the translation for that pompous Latin tag - "A word once spoken can never be recalled.")
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
A little late for that i think.
Kind of like closing the barn door after the rest of the structure burned down. |
(Actually, maybe the worst ones got modsmacked. I never checked.)
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One of my favorite Marvel vilains was Baron Blood, the Nazi vampire, from the WWII era Invaders series. Marvel also published a Dracula seires and had Dracula cameo in plenty of their mainstream superhero mags such as Xmen and Thor. Marvel also had a pseudo-vampire character named Morbius. So yeah, no lack of vampires in superhero comics.|
Originally Posted by Ramification TM
Lack of vampires in comics? You guys obviously never read The Swamp Thing series, lol. That was actually the series that got me into collecting comics as a kid. My collection now collects dust in my garage. Was funny when vampires bit Swamp Thing, they'd be eeeewwww!
Besides that though I remember vampires popping up all through comics. |
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Not intending to nitpick, but both of those are Silver Age images (the "boner" comic is from 1951, while I don't know the exact year of the other one, those particular versions of the Flash, Green Lantern, and the Atom were created specifically for the Silver Age, in 1956, 1959, and 1961 respectively)
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Generally the Golden Age is considered to have ended in the late 40's, with virtually all super-hero comics canceled except the 6 featuring DCs big 3. The Silver Age starts in '56, and between the two would be, I suppose, the dark ages....
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Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon
Actually, the Silver Age of Comics is generally considered to have begun in 1956 with the introduction of the new Flash, so 1951 was still within the Golden Age (as for when the Silver Age ended, that's another can of worms)
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@Doctor Gemini
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One can't point to definitive dates because this wasn't just like flipping a switch and them saying "OK, we're going to draw and write like this from right now on".|
Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
Generally the Golden Age is considered to have ended in the late 40's, with virtually all super-hero comics canceled except the 6 featuring DCs big 3. The Silver Age starts in '56, and between the two would be, I suppose, the dark ages....
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Showcase #4 is the accepted 'start' of the Silver Age but, there's so much bleed and gradient before and after that clearly defined ending and beginning dates are meaningless.
In determining what's Golden Age and what's Silver Age, it's far more important to look at the content; art and writing styles, rather than the cover date, determine what age something most belongs to.
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Exactly. And with Batman, he started a little early. His Golden Age comics presented him as a dark vigilante more than willing to kill (or, at the very least, not lift a finger to save a criminal) to rid the city of crime, and the Joker (in what was intended to be his only appearance) as a murderous - and not particularly humorous - serial killer. By the time of the "boner" comic, Batman had settled into his Silver Age portrayal as a public figure, known and loved as a crimefighter by the people of Gotham, and the Joker had become a mostly-harmless thief. The art style was still reminiscent of Golden Age works, but the writing had already turned the corner.
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Further proof that Nazi vampires are superior to Fascist vampires |
Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon
One of my favorite Marvel vilains was Baron Blood, the Nazi vampire, from the WWII era Invaders series.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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The difference between Golden and Silver Age is not the writing style. For Superman and Batman in particular, the Silver Age writing style begins pretty early. DC pretty much cleaned up their "dark" heroes by '43 at the latest, with characters such as Dr. Fate going from wizard who routinely killed his enemies to a superman clone. Even the Spectre had stopped giving death gazes to the bad guys and instead just chased them down and finished them off with a sock to the jaw. A great deal of what would end up in the Comics Code in the early 50's was already being put in place at DC then.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
One can't point to definitive dates because this wasn't just like flipping a switch and them saying "OK, we're going to draw and write like this from right now on".
Showcase #4 is the accepted 'start' of the Silver Age but, there's so much bleed and gradient before and after that clearly defined ending and beginning dates are meaningless. In determining what's Golden Age and what's Silver Age, it's far more important to look at the content; art and writing styles, rather than the cover date, determine what age something most belongs to. . |
Marvel's 40's incarnation, and other publishers, continued with numerous darker characters until the end of the era.
The common definitions are based around super-hero trends not writing styles. The Golden Age spans the birth of the super-hero to it's near end in '50-'51 (although most of the super heroes were gone years before then). Silver begins with the rebirth of the super-hero at DC, though when it ends exactly is up for debate.
@Doctor Gemini
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muahahahahaaha I got a reply to this post.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Now we can wonder (and speculate) as to WHY he deleted those posts. We can only hope it was due to developing a sense of shame as some of them were pretty reprehensible.
(Actually, maybe the worst ones got modsmacked. I never checked.) |
"Actually, it's because, after my experience here, I have zero interest in socializing with butthurt *&*&*&. I've deleted all my messages and I'm moving on. You needn't bother replying. "
I censored the same derogatory term he used in this thread. I was going to tell him that I wasn't broken up over his departure after the attitude he demonstrated. But, since he said I needn't bother replying, I didn't.
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It's true that there is some debate over whether the Golden Age ended in the 40's or lasted until the beginning of the Silver Age. But either way, I wouldn't characterize the early 50's as the "dark ages" of comics. While it may indeed seem like a dark age from the perspective of a superhero comic fan, this was a period in which other genres-true crime, horror, science fiction, jungle adventure, romance, etc--flourished. |
Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
Generally the Golden Age is considered to have ended in the late 40's, with virtually all super-hero comics canceled except the 6 featuring DCs big 3. The Silver Age starts in '56, and between the two would be, I suppose, the dark ages....
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And yes, any classifying of comics into ages is highly arbitrary and oversimplifies the reality of comic history. But for better or worse, certain events, such as the 1956 relaunch of the Flash (considered the beginning of the resurgance of superhero comics) have become milestones around which fans and historians tend to mark the beginning and end of certain trends (which rarely actually have such concise start or end points).
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The most common "end points", cited tends to be A) Gwen Stacey dies. B) Two relatively contemporary storylines involving drugs (one with Speedy, one with Harry Osborn) both of which were printed without the Comics Code seal.
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
. Silver begins with the rebirth of the super-hero at DC, though when it ends exactly is up for debate.
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"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Also popular as an end date for the Silver Age is Jack Kirby's departure from Marvel Comics. In fact that's the one I hear mentioned the most. Although I always found that a bit odd because 1) Jack Kirby continued to work in comics for a long time (it's the Silver Age of Comics, not the Silver Age of Marvel Comics), and 2) Kirby came back and continued to do quite a bit of work for Marvel for the next decade.
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Originally Posted by Arilou
The most common "end points", cited tends to be A) Gwen Stacey dies. B) Two relatively contemporary storylines involving drugs (one with Speedy, one with Harry Osborn) both of which were printed without the Comics Code seal.
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I almost suspect that the registration date and the thread topic might have been connected to something else that happened this month 
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This fire-and-forget thread has been brought to you by PoisonPen, who has deleted his original post.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
Wait, wait, wait... so he threw a fit, deleted all of his posts, threw another fit (albeit in private, apparently), and then said we were the butthurt ones?
My hat is off to you, sir.
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Originally Posted by The_Overlord
Wait, wait, wait... so he threw a fit, deleted all of his posts, threw another fit (albeit in private, apparently), and then said we were the butthurt ones?
My hat is off to you, sir. |
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Query: So, what did we do?|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
muahahahahaaha I got a reply to this post.
"Actually, it's because, after my experience here, I have zero interest in socializing with butthurt *&*&*&. I've deleted all my messages and I'm moving on. You needn't bother replying. " I censored the same derogatory term he used in this thread. I was going to tell him that I wasn't broken up over his departure after the attitude he demonstrated. But, since he said I needn't bother replying, I didn't. |
I just went through the entire thread, and at the beginning we were polite and informative. We pointed him towards channels and servers he liked, and his experience with the game seemed to be improving.
After that, it seems we largely ignored him. I saw two posts in the last six pages where no one replied to or quoted him.
The two topics of debate were whether we liked comic books, and what defines heroic and superheroic in relation to City of Heroes and the usage of gender neutral pronouns. The last is the only place I really saw people getting bent out of shape, and the split seemed to be about 50/50.
What got his knickers in a twist?
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At a guess? Not enough people fell all over themselves to agree with him.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
What got his knickers in a twist?
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Maybe he realized focusing a forum's attention on yourself means getting a laser pointer shined in the virtual eye.|
Originally Posted by Lightfoot
Query: So, what did we do?
I just went through the entire thread, and at the beginning we were polite and informative. We pointed him towards channels and servers he liked, and his experience with the game seemed to be improving. After that, it seems we largely ignored him. I saw two posts in the last six pages where no one replied to or quoted him. The two topics of debate were whether we liked comic books, and what defines heroic and superheroic in relation to City of Heroes and the usage of gender neutral pronouns. The last is the only place I really saw people getting bent out of shape, and the split seemed to be about 50/50. What got his knickers in a twist? |
You really shouldn't jump and and down screaming "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" if you aren't ready for people to tell you what they see.
Rereading the original post, I have a hard time believing this guy/girl was a real newbie and not someone trying to win some recurring board argument with a throwaway account. One of the most ridiculous endeavors of the boards are trying to lay claim to what "new players want." I mean, who really talks like this:
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It took all of my energy not to reply "Well, I do say, my dear sir, perhaps tea and scones with the madame would unnettle the disquiet of your indecorous accostation at the hands of the local chimneysweeps."
| The final straw for me may have been the exchange I had last night with a "50" where I sent hir a message that sie had a few typos in hir background, and helpfully provided the corrections. Sie replied that if sie wanted someone to edit hir background text sie would ask over Global, and that I was now welcomed to (and I quote) "iggy." I was taken aback by the sheer sour rudeness, and it ruined all my sense of enjoyment for the evening. |
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Ah, such a waste of energy. That reply would have been spot on.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Rereading the original post, I have a hard time believing this guy/girl was a real newbie and not someone trying to win some recurring board argument with a throwaway account. One of the most ridiculous endeavors of the boards are trying to lay claim to what "new players want." I mean, who really talks like this:
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i make stuff...
Who was that one doofus who badmouthed and griefed people in PvP to write some paper about bad behavior in MMOs. I'll bet that's who PP is.
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The Silver Age is where most of the well-known cheese comes from, not the Golden Age, which has an entirely different sort of cheese (mainly consisting of Designated Heroes being absolutely brutal to villains, even normal human thugs). To contrast: Silver Age cheese would be Superman being a jerk to Jimmy Olsen in order to protect his secret identity or to teach him a lesson; Golden Age cheese would be Superman threatening to throw a wife-beating man out the window if he doesn't stop, or in several cases actually killing criminals with no repercussions (either legal or ethical).
The '51 comic would almost certainly be dated to the "middle-period", no?
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."