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Being slutty is evil?!
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Deciding someone is a villain by the way they dress is not the same thing as deciding someone's evil because of their physical apperance at all.
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Michael Jackson would beg to differ on the skin.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Well, maybe not height and skin. But there are certainly ways to give the illusion you are taller or shorter than you are.
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Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
Being slutty is evil?! |
But it's thought of as a negative thing.
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Yeah, there is a double standard for guys who get around a lot, and women who get around a lot.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not at all
But it's thought of as a negative thing. |
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Not to me. No wonder you're getting so offended.
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not at all
But it's thought of as a negative thing.
Stop caring so much about labels and popular definition. This isn't high school. 
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Originally Posted by GreatRock
it's because I'm 14, turning 15 tomorrow btw. *
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I was going to get you a couple of these . . .
But then I remembered your only 15 so you'll have to wait until your 18 for them, 30 if your parents have any say in the matter.
I might borrow number 1 and 3 until she's old enough.
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No. They want flatter. More teenaged chest shape is subjective. Haven't you been reading the thread? |
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Let me just say that if there are people who are serious about asking for females with a more teenaged chest shape, then what you need to be asking Noble Savage/Sexy Jay for is a new UPPER BODY MODEL. Something similar to the Armored top.
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Not to belabor the point, (OK, it is TOTALLY to belabor the point!)|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You're missing the point - the ofesnive part is associating someone's physical appearance with their morality.
Think of the different ways that can - and has been - interpreted. |
But seriously, GG, you actually SAID 'physical appearance' right THERE.
Claws' point is valid - if you say 'clothes should clearly imply morality', that indeed contradicts your above statement.
Also, as Schism said, the things you listed as 'Unalterable' are all totally alterable.
TLDR (forget that, I bloviate.): No one is implying that any particular physical feature determines morality. I believe the reasoning may go something like this:
Player: Hmm, I think I want to make a new character, and call her Loosey Morals. And I want to keep in that theme. How can I communicate that particular idea PHYSICALLY to people who don't necessarily understand the innuendo, or who can't see my name, or <reason> <reason>...?
Well, I can wear these clothes (revealing), and I can use this hairstyle(feminine), and I think I may slide the slider way over here, because people often associate people who accentuate secondary sexual characteristics with sexual proclivity - even if that is wrong, it is TRUE. ("I'm not saying it's right, but I understand." - Chris Rock.)
This may be news to some, and I may get some heat for saying something controversial, but I don't think it's really news.
This is NOT to say that a very thin, bald woman in an unflattering grey business suit can not be sexually promiscuous, but one would not be predisposed to assume such.
(I believe Dave Chapelle also addressed this exact point in his standup act, forming an analogy, "If you dress like a cop, people might assume you are a cop." And there is such a thing as 'dressing provocatively'.)
So let's all start acting like adults here. (I see many of the 'adults' are acting more childish than the younger posters, ironically.) I believe the OP meant that we need more options that illustrate that normal-shaped people can also be 'heroes'. I agree.
And it's simply foolish to say that "Well, what if I want a pony," because that is unrealistic in terms of the game engine, and not in the scope of current game plans, apparently. To ask for more realistic proportions is both in the scope of the engine, and within the current game philosophy. More options is always good. Quadripeds as an option is not realistic - that type o argument is called a Straw Man, iirc.
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I was saying that it probably would be possible to go from "flat" to "not quite flat" if the slider adjusted the proportions of the chest in that way. Making the breasts flatter, and not smaller. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
No. They want flatter. More teenaged chest shape is subjective. Haven't you been reading the thread?
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The current armored top, in fact, is "flat", and is altered by the chest slider in just that way. The only reason that's not usable for what is requested here is that the only textures available are those that are fully armored.
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Well, especially given how obviously fake the big boobs in the game are, it'd at the very least be a way to show that someone places a priority on secondary sexual characteristics in her appearances. Which may or may not tell you about "morality", but gives a strong hint as to personal motivation.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm reading it as someone saying that if they wanted to make a "slutty" avatar, they'd use their physical appearance to show their morality.
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WOW! That's a lot of replies!!!
Annnnnyway, thanks, Forbin, for that... uhm... present. Actually, Golden Girl, you can have them. I have a boyfriend already and I'm not interested in that sort of thing yet.
Also. Guys. Since when is this a thread about slutty looks? I just wanted more realistic proportions, never once did I say that boobs = bad. I just expressed distaste with how they were rendering, but did not insinuate that I don't like people with big boobies. If you guys want to have an argument about how to make yourself a ****, then, sure, but let's stay on topic, shall we?
Moving on.
I agree, a monsterous top would be good. It wouldn't be too hard to render, either... just change the size of the chest area and make the biceps larger.
I fully support more hairstyles for guys, but I am not talking about how hair looks for them, nor am I comparing the two.
Larger shoulders wouldn't change the proportions of the arms, now, would it. SO why not? If it looks out of proportion we can ust increase the phisique.
Chest icons float above the skin for all models. Otherwise, clicking would become huge if you bend over. This would be true for larger chest models as well, and I now realize this.
A way to get spikey, short hair that doesn't click with the Reaper detail 2 would be fantastic.
The remark about the hairstyles for females was a plea for more hair like Resistance 1 and 2, but I just got GR, so now I have them. Go birthday presents.
Ah, to be sumo wrestler ould be cool, but making a different top option for females is easier. Much easier. The day we get 4 or 5 boob sliders, for weight, together-ness, size, flattness, ect, is when I'll admit that that is possible. But, if you were reading, you'll realize we want the exact same thing.
Thanks for the responses guys!
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Gah. SInce when did I say they didn't exist? You know, .001 of the world is a hell of a lot of people. Just saying. .001 of a billion is one million. That's a million people with big boobs per billion. And that's a lot of people.|
Originally Posted by Tyger42
You said they don't exist. Now you're being all snotty with "Well, fine, they're a tiny outlier". That's not really the case either. While they're not the majority, they're also not the rare oddity that you're suggesting. Face the fact that some women do have such breast sizes and get the hell over it already. No one's saying that to argue against the option for smaller sizes. Just to point out that your perceptional bias is skewing your...er, figures. >.> It's not like it's a slight against you to say that there are a reasonable amount of women with naturally large breasts out there.
This might explain your perceptional bias. Your peers are high school students either going through or barely out of puberty... |
You, sir, are missing the point.
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Skin is quite possible, and it's also possible to add or subtract at least a couple inches of height. While uncommon as elective surgery there are numerous procedures that can alter skeletal proportions and skin tone in addition to the more common surgeries used to alter soft tissue volume and distribution.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Well, maybe not height and skin. But there are certainly ways to give the illusion you are taller or shorter than you are.
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The most extreme and widely known example that comes to mind in the world i live in is Michael Jackson. He went from looking like a fairly normal teen of African descent to a... thing that somewhat resembled an albino vampire alien dowager.
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Originally Posted by GreatRock
It wouldn't be too hard to render, either... just change the size of the chest area and make the biceps larger.
I fully support more hairstyles for guys, but I am not talking about how hair looks for them, nor am I comparing the two. Larger shoulders wouldn't change the proportions of the arms, now, would it. SO why not? If it looks out of proportion we can ust increase the phisique. Chest icons float above the skin for all models. Otherwise, clicking would become huge if you bend over. This would be true for larger chest models as well, and I now realize this. A way to get spikey, short hair that doesn't click with the Reaper detail 2 would be fantastic. The remark about the hairstyles for females was a plea for more hair like Resistance 1 and 2, but I just got GR, so now I have them. Go birthday presents. |
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You have a different definition of what "physical appearance" means than, well, most of the rest of the world. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Deciding someone is a villain by the way they dress is not the same thing as deciding someone's evil because of their physical apperance at all.
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Physical appearance is defined as: What you see when you look at someone.
That includes eye color, hair color, skin tone, height, apparent weight, the size of a woman's breasts, and the clothes you are wearing.
Unless you walk around naked all the time, the clothes you have on are part of what people see when they look at you, therefore they are part of your physical appearance.
Saying that it is okay to make assumptions about people based on the clothes they wear, but it is not okay to make assumptions about them based on, in this instance, the size of a woman's breasts is being hypocritical, because in both cases you are making those assumptions based on their physical appearance.
If one is okay, they both have to be because they are the same thing. Conversely, if one is NOT okay, then neither is, for the same reason. You can't say one is okay and the other isn't.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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You can choose what types of clothes you wear - you can't choose what size your chest is.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
You have a different definition of what "physical appearance" means than, well, most of the rest of the world.
Physical appearance is defined as: What you see when you look at someone. That includes eye color, hair color, skin tone, height, apparent weight, the size of a woman's breasts, and the clothes you are wearing. Unless you walk around naked all the time, the clothes you have on are part of what people see when they look at you, therefore they are part of your physical appearance. Saying that it is okay to make assumptions about people based on the clothes they wear, but it is not okay to make assumptions about them based on, in this instance, the size of a woman's breasts is being hypocritical, because in both cases you are making those assumptions based on their physical appearance. If one is okay, they both have to be because they are the same thing. Conversely, if one is NOT okay, then neither is, for the same reason. You can't say one is okay and the other isn't. |
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...thus allowing you to judge their taste in clothes, sure.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You can choose what types of clothes you wear - you can't choose what size your chest is.
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People are talking amongst themselves about a different topic. No one's berating on your on the whole 'slutty' discussion. It's more about someone saying something, and someone else taking offense, and everyone telling her she's being silly, and her denying it.
Originally Posted by GreatRock
WOW! That's a lot of replies!!!
Annnnnyway, thanks, Forbin, for that... uhm... present. Actually, Golden Girl, you can have them. I have a boyfriend already and I'm not interested in that sort of thing yet.
Also. Guys. Since when is this a thread about slutty looks? I just wanted more realistic proportions, never once did I say that boobs = bad. I just expressed distaste with how they were rendering, but did not insinuate that I don't like people with big boobies. If you guys want to have an argument about how to make yourself a ****, then, sure, but let's stay on topic, shall we?
You do not know how hard or easy it would be to implement this. You're not a programmer. You're not a designer. You're not a 3D Modelling artist. And last but not least, you do not work in Paragon Studios to have any clue on how the game engine functions. Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatRock
I agree, a monsterous top would be good. It wouldn't be too hard to render, either... just change the size of the chest area and make the biceps larger.
You do not know how this game works, and how such features would be implemented, and whether or not they would affect other parts of the game, and whether or not the majority would embrace the additions. You're not a programmer. You're not a designer. You're not a 3D Modelling artist. And last but not least, you do not work in Paragon Studios to have any clue on how the game engine functions. Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatRock
Larger shoulders wouldn't change the proportions of the arms, now, would it. SO why not? If it looks out of proportion we can ust increase the phisique.
It's CLIPPING. Not "clicking". Clipping is when a part of a geometry collides and is inserted into another geometry (or itself) and hence part of it is "clipped" from the rendering pipeline, and would not be rendered. Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatRock
Chest icons float above the skin for all models. Otherwise, clicking would become huge if you bend over. This would be true for larger chest models as well, and I now realize this.
Okay. Awesome suggestions! I would love new hairstyles! I'm hoping Issue 20 comes with more customization options, as David N. hinted at revamp of old costume pieces at some point!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatRock
A way to get spikey, short hair that doesn't click with the Reaper detail 2 would be fantastic.
The remark about the hairstyles for females was a plea for more hair like Resistance 1 and 2, but I just got GR, so now I have them. Go birthday presents.
You do not know how hard or easy it would be to implement this. You're not a programmer. You're not a designer. You're not a 3D Modelling artist. And last but not least, you do not work in Paragon Studios to have any clue on how the game engine functions. Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatRock
Ah, to be sumo wrestler ould be cool, but making a different top option for females is easier. Much easier. The day we get 4 or 5 boob sliders, for weight, together-ness, size, flattness, ect, is when I'll admit that that is possible. But, if you were reading, you'll realize we want the exact same thing.
And finally, all you're stating are various suggestions that you, personally, would like to see in the game. Why did you make this thread here and not in the Suggestions Forum? And if that's true, why is your thread titled "remarkable issues" and your original post labels the lack of these features flaws and issues with the game?! I do not get this!
Even you don't know what this "thread is about"! xD
Just wanted to add on.. that you should be glad that there are some sliders for the model manipulation. In every other MMO I've played, you could change a few bits of their appearance, but not height, not muscles, and certainly not boob size. Would you honestly prefer if everyone had the exact same body type?
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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid
Just wanted to add on.. that you should be glad that there are some sliders for the model manipulation. In every other MMO I've played, you could change a few bits of their appearance, but not height, not muscles, and certainly not boob size. Would you honestly prefer if everyone had the exact same body type?
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At launch we had the three genders
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I'm in agreement with Master-Blade. Furthermore, the line that I've highlighted is flat-out false. Or are you overlooking the existence of implants?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's not the same thing at all - a football player is muscular because they train a lot - and it has nothing to do with morlaity either.
Saying that big breasts = "slutty" is linking morality to genetics - the size of our breasts is decided before we're even born. Thinking that morality and geneitcs have anything to do with each other is a very old fashioned mindset. |
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
My point is, I'm not saying "big breasts = slutty". You're just incorrectly reading it that way.
On a side note, there are no genetics in a video game. |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm reading it as someone saying that if they wanted to make a "slutty" avatar, they'd use their physical appearance to show their morality.
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Well, not wanting to make a joke (and a bad one) about this... I am all in for MORE!
More choices of chest sides, from the minimum to the maximum.
More choices of body adjustment.
More hairs.
More textures.
More everything!
Well, if I could, I would chain Sexy Jay to his computer and only allow him to get away from it if he doubled all the choices we have on customization! And no, not even to do Bio-breaks.
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