A Remarkable Issue

That's why it's/they're a super power. They have minor levitaton/antigravity

That pretty neat. I still prefer a slightly bulkier chest on my power armor but it does manage to avoid the "bullet trap" problem quite well.

Wow... touchy crowd today. You must be a member of the IBTC. Need some kleenex? Nevermind, you're probably carrying some already.

But seriously, I'm done with reading whatever spews out of your mouth in the future. You are WAY too sensitive for my liking. Welcome to global ignore.

I didn't miss that at all... neither did I miss his follow up...
Which is what I addressed, but which you seem to be conveniently ignoring.



I agree, it's a pretty darn good costume.
But IMO, the shoulders are still... too "delicate" & disproportional.

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Don�t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary. - R.W. Emerson

Thank you, Mr. Tyger42 for helping me introduce some logic into the system.

When I point out that the OP's problem might be their overly-sensitive nature instead of the game, I'm suddenly the antichrist.

[shakes head and walks away]

One retort to your poorly phrased response on the OP and you react by saying you've been called the anti-christ?

Guess they're not the only 'overly sensitive' one, aye?

Spoiling for a fight are we, Mountie?

What? A person who makes a point of announcing that they're putting someone on "global ignore" every time someone posts something that's critical of or disagrees with their posts is sensitive? Say it isn't so.

Incidentally, what the hell does "global ignore" even mean in the context of the forums? Is there some advanced version of the ignore list that not only redacts the ignored person's posts on the forums, it also ignores their game accounts, as well as blocking their gmail, twitter, myspace, and facebook accounts?

The most common superpower amongst female superheroes is strong back muscles

There are plenty of real world girls, not enhanced by silicon who have large breasts. I knew a slim girl who was a 36-I, yes I.

Now....why can't the chest slider go larger? How am I supposed to make a Red Monika homage style character or a Power Girl type character or a Panda (body bags) type character when the slider makes them look flat?

The hair you mentioned was one of the first made, I'm pretty sure that artist is long gone or has gotten better over the years The newer hair styles are much better.

Now mind you I have a huge laundry list of costume creator / costume issues that I'd like to see resolved. Things like why don't we have a thigh selection for holsters, thigh pouches, armor, etc.. Why are only some items in some categories when they could be in many more without clipping or very minimal clipping? why aren't things duplicated into other categories so you can use 2 of them at the same time (and what i mean by this is things like the neck collar in shoulders, why isn't that in detail 2 where all the other neck style items are? or most of the detail 1 items, they could go into another category so we can use horns and a monicle for example) why isn't there a neck category for neck items. when will we get backpacks (natural, synethic, high tech, steampunk)....etc etc etc..

The biggie...Why hasn't the player models been updated to be a bit better built? Those angled chests could use a few more polys and same with a couple other parts.

In fact, one way to get people in the game to assume that you're an IRL guy is to have an outrageously endowed character in a skimpy outfit, because everyone knows that IRL women wouldn't make their characters look like that. Reverse psychology is fun!

I join the OP in wishing that it were possible to make more muscular female characters, and I'd also like to be able to make more slender male characters.

However, I suspect at the end of the day it comes down to the practical limits of ensuring costume pieces fit adequately. With the female model it's already easy to get belts to clip by setting the waist slider too far to the right. Truly muscular female characters would presumably require a whole new body shape. And the effort required to port a significant proportion of costume pieces over to a new body type would simply be prohibitive.

That has zero bearing as to it being "the crux" of the problem (especially when people of all genders and sizes have expressed the same thoughts about the slider minimum) nor does it have a single thing to do with the reply to ChaosExMachina.


With all due respect, your "devil's advocate" reply really didn't amount to much other than to perpetuate a misinformed stance.

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Totally off topic, but I believe your sig quote should actually be:

"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."

Mind you, that's just the way I remember it, and it's not like Kosh was ever clear.

Heehee, sounds pretty on topic/relevant, if ya ask me!

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@Zethustra

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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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Realism in bodyshapes? In a Super Hero style game? Have you looked at the "real" bodyshapes in comic books at all? there are many many unrealistic bodyshapes in comics from rotund to twigish to super muscular and beyond.

On back pain. I seriously doubt that any of these super fit super heroes are going to have poor back muscles and then there are the common cases of the super strenght types like Power Girl or She Hulk. You think someone who can lift a freight train is going to have a problem with 10 lb boobs?

I have no problem with you wanting a more tomboyish look for the females, though I've always felt that sliding the slider to minium did a pretty good job of that, that and thickening the waist a tad.

EDIT: being able to make a decently muscular female would be nice too.

heh, I'm pretty sure i actually watched the episode when I typed that in, but I could have it slightly wrong, either way the meaning is clear

As has been explained to you, you're wrong here.

1) Real women can and have had large breasts.
2) (and this is the one that really makes me laugh) Not all female players put that slider all the way to the left. Another little silly myth I've seen people say, is females only make female toons. I know one female player who only makes male characters.
3) This complaint really seems to be focused on your own insecurities, more than anything else.

I've only seen this be a problem on the shirt option, where it moves the decal to the just below the shoulder.

AGREED! Would love even heavier armored female options. I think it has to do with clipping myself, though. I know when I use the Tri-Spiked should option (think that's the right name), I get clipping

I wish "Styled" didn't look so...so...so...blocky seems like the wrong word, but looks terrible from behind.

I think the hair spray look is just something to do with the animations myself. So doesn't bother me as much. However, I still only care for a few of the hairstyles.

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What you need to do, is remember this is a game. Based off a subject which tends to go towards the...I hate saying unrealistic as it's not so much unrealistic as not very likely.

Everything that's been said in this thread, I've seen counters for. Friend I have, she was extremely well endowed. Enough to make feel those issues. She suffered from those back issues, untill she joined the military and the physical fitness she underwent got rid of all her back pain.

Of course that back pain returned when she left the military and stopped the excersizing.

My point on that...you're playing superheroes/villains. Usually this entails A LOT of physical fitness. For people saying "realism" they always seem to forget this part of it. You're not playing someone who sits around and does nothing (unless you RP it that way) all day.

These aren't people (male or female) who work the treadmill for 30mins a day, every other day.

Widening the shoulders also helps. Wider shoulders tend to equal a little smaller looking chest.

No one called you the anti-christ. And while the OP admitted to a bit of oversensitivity (and doing so on forum takes guts! ), Chaos didn't state any such thing.

Because being blatantly hostile to the OP and others isn't antagonistic at all... right..../Dr. Evil
I think the shoulder slider - especially on the female body type, is one of the more underrated sliders.

Isn't the simplest fix to remove your pants?

Actually, the problems with the chest slider in CoH are more about calculation of expansion than size - the larger sizes are quite normal, but the way the slider maxes them push otuwards makes them look weird - when you have large breasts, you wear proper support that keeps them together and reduces the movement and the width.
The chest slider needs to calculate the forward expansion to be much bigger than the sideways expansion, to give a realistic looking bust shape - the way it does it now is to give the forward and sideways calculation equal amounts, which causes exaggerated separation, and doesn't give us any proper cleavage at all - there's totally no contatc between with breast, which is why the alrger sizes look un-natural.

I'm the opposite, and I usesd to be a bit sensitive about it when I was at school, because it seemd to be the main thing a lot of the other pupils associated with me, rather than my personality - but now it's not really a problem, and I find them useful for all sorts of things

I consider that a curvist remark, showing prejudice agianst rounded surfaces

Well, our basic chest icons are actually bigger than anything the boys have

The style I really want is a combination of the Shy and Shag styles, to match my RL hair - I use Shag on my avatar as it has the right length and shape at teh back and sides, but I really want to have the bangs over the right eye that the Shy style has.

That's just being silly - you must know that we come in all shapes and sizes -like you can't not have seen the variety of chest sizes we have in RL

Among my friends, there's a normal selection of different sizes and shapes - the CoH chest slider covers most of them, except for the lack of cleavage for larger sizes, and something smaller at the other end of the scale.

I'm normally large, not an outlier

Wait - you admit you're biased against us, but then you say it has nothing to do with your post?


More lesbains?

Seriously though, all this game needs to fix the chest problems we have is to remove the separation for the larger sizes, and add a smaller size at the other end of the scale.

No need to be snarky about people who are just conversing with you to tell you that they don't agree with your perception of things.

I think most are always in favour of more options. I'd like the ability to create a She-Hulk or Wonder Woman (when she's drawn as a warrior, not a super model) like character as well, as far as physicality is concerned (which is to say muscular, without concern for breast size). And that was brought up in one of the Art threads run by a Dev, and they eventually responded that they thought it was something that might be worked on at some point. So that's something, at least.
I don't think you'll find a concession from the Devs to putting female heads on male bodies, or such though. They won't even let male models wear skirts.

And there's no need to feed - or attack - the Troll. That's why I ceased responding to him as well. You might consider editing your post since wishing death on someone isn't generally that well accepted around here, I don't think.