A Remarkable Issue

Sigh...

Ok, maybe the direct approach is NOT what you people want.

Yes, yes. I want ponies and unicorns and whatever. Oh, wait. I don't want a completely different mechanic, I just wanted more buff looking armor.

Thats all, guys. I just wanted more buff looking armor. And, as a side note, I mentioned, that the breast scales seem catered toward the positive end of the spectrum. Ok, I mentioned my side note first, but who cares? I apologize for asking a question, which was, by the way, "Why is there not a way to make more buff or realistic female proportions?" and not "I want smaller boob sizes cause mine are too small."

I asked a question, and I was not satisfied with the answers people gave me. This is because they didn't answer my question until they actually re-read my post.

And yes, I am snarky. If you did a little research, it's because I'm 14, turning 15 tomorrow btw. * And I don't act like an adult, that's for sure. I'm not blaming my age as a reason for my snark, no. I'm simply stating the facts here. I want a female hero I can hope to be in my life. Not the superpower part, no, but the warrior female. I'm going through a rough patch with bullies right now, and the hope of one day being the strong, valiant hero is an allure I can't resist.I saw a part of the game I was dissatisfied with, and I asked a question about it. Let's try to answer it, ok? Let's not spend time trying to prove me wrong. Just tell me I'm wrong if I am, but I don't know where there has been anything I've said that I insisted was the case.

(Also, I'm editing out the previous post's ending paragraph. Trolls suck.)

*I admitted this in the Rude Tells thread, on page.... uh.... low 200's, I think. That was about 3 months ago. You can look it up if you wish, I have no trouble with it...

ANd, as a final note, yes. I am biased. And I admitted it. I just wondered why there wasn't a more realistic way to make female figures.

Yeesh. I'm sorry, I didn't know it was a sensitive topic. Boobs are a lot more popular on the forums then I thought.... >.>

While most of my characters are male like my real self, I do have some girls in my roster. When I make female characters, mine tend to be on the smaller end of the scale as far as breast size goes, but it varies with the needs of the concept, and characters who are larger as a whole will tend to have larger breasts.

But in general, I don't think I've ever made one with the breast slider moved too far to the right, since, at least to me, there comes a point with both real-life and fictional women where breasts start to look more like balloons stuck to her chest than a natual part of her body, and I just don't find that attractive.

Also, my female characters tend to be more conservatively dressed. Although my two most commonly played girls both sport the thigh-highs and miniskirt look (one of whom has flight as her travel power) they aren't too revealing when viewed from the angles other players would see them from.

As for the hair, there was a fairly large set of new hair added to the game a year or two ago. If you think what we have now is limited you should have seen it then. The new female hairstyles are the ones that have better highlighting/frosting color ability while the old hairstyles simply blended the primary and secondary color.

I also tend to end up on the left side of the slider and increase the waist for a more "realistic" female form. Unless I'm intentionally going slutty. I think my main female villain is rather on the top heavy side. Had to edit one of her outfits to give her an obvious top, original top hidden by the trenchcoat, so she stops getting pestered by hormone drienched yobs.

Well large breasted and scantily dressed. Watched too many soft porn titles on Cinemax in my youth coupled with a very conservative upbringing.

So, I have issues.

First as to the reasons you started the thread. I have to agree completely. I've wanted a more muscular and bulkier option for women for years. Basically I've wanted a female version of the Huge model. I would like to be able to make female bodybuilder types. I would like to be able to make females in plate armor who look like females in plate armor.

As for the other things.

All the hair styles for both sexes pretty much look unrealistic except for the buzz cut and bald styles. And they will never look good until we get flowing hair. Anything even semi long will look hairspray laden because it doesn't ever move.

All the chest symbols for both female and male should have a slider. Many has been the time when I've created a male toon and skipped the symbol just because I didn't want something that covered half their chest. I want to be able to have a chest symbol that ranges from the size of Batman or Robin up to the size of Superman or Captain Marvel.

Now as to the reason so many people seem to be focusing on a side issue of your post instead of what you consider the main focus.

The problem was that you need to reread your own initial post from the view of an outsider and read only the words that are there not the thoughts that inspired them. It's not an easy thing to do because most people automatically fill in the blanks in their own writing. That is why any good author gets an editor. What may seem blatantly obvious to the person who wrote something is often not even slightly obvious to a reader. So although your intent may have been obvious to you it basically came across as "I hate big boobies because I have small boobies and nobody in the world has big boobies like that." with some extra stuff tagged on as an afterthought.

You're a young girl still in school. Of course the majority of girls you know have small (or at least smaller) boobs. That's like somebody from Japan complaining that the boobs are unrealistic because none of the women they know are even as large as the smallest setting. Environment alters perceptions of normality.

I myself just ran through a list of my female friends and about 25 percent of them would match up with mid range to high range on the slider. Then again I'm an adult with fully matured friends.

And you basically distracted everybody from your own initial suggestions and arguments yourself by focusing not on the alterations you want but rather on arguing with anybody who said that large boobs were fairly common.

You know its only after reading this thread and taking a closer look at the female model that I realized what was bothering me about. I've never made a female character that lasted past level 10 and now I know why. It isn't the boob slider though thats bothered me. Its the way that the upper body is so much smaller than the lower body. That and the twiggy arms. Them twiggy little arms. If you max out the physique slider the character doesn't look stronger, they just look... wider.

There isn't much that can be done about it though. Giving female characters an option for a more powerful upper body would require either a split in the physique slider allowing for seperate sizing of the upper and lower body (so that you can get a larger upper body without super wide hips and thighs) or making an alternate female model that has a much more powerful build. Either option probably isnt going to happen since so many costume peices would have to be rebuilt.

But ya thanks everyone in the thread, trolls and all, for helping me realize what it is thats been bothering me about the in-game female character model.