Honoree mission Awful
By
Airborne_Ninja,
Posted on: 2010-11-30 13:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Go read the beta posts about this mission. Charging into the last room with Honoree is not the best strategy to use. Even some of my melee characters can't just charge in and expect to live through it.
Pulled Honoree solo, he still held then 2 shot me, 3 times.
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Which mission is this?
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Shubbie: the developers were pretty explicit that the Incarnate content is supposed to be harder to accomplish than "normal" gameplay content.
I'm sorry if you somehow didn't pay any attention to anything that was ever posted about the Incarnate content, but you might want to get used to the idea that unless you are a tricked-out soloing power-house, you are going to need a team and friends in the game.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Pulled Honoree solo, he still held then 2 shot me, 3 times.
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@Quasadu
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I've soloed this mission with beta-buffed, SO only, no temp powers versions of the following:
Empathy/Rad - Defender
Empathy/Grav - Controller
Devices/Dual Pistols - Blaster
Mercs/Pain - Mastermind
Electric/Storm - Controller
No IOs are needed. This is not your standard mission. It is doable by any character solo.
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Doesnt help the mission is not cross faction and villianside is a complete and desolate wasteland on almost every server.
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Go heroic?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Doesnt help the mission is not cross faction and villianside is a complete and desolate wasteland on almost every server.
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He holds right through it... tried it...
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
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yeah thats a great idea, so why not just pack up and close up villian faction if that is the only answer.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Go heroic?
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I have no problem with Apex being difficult, that should be difficult.
But normal missions should still be doable, and having this non cross faction is just silly.
And whats the point if many and possibly most are jsut dropping it, this was the advice that was most often given in BC.
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What was your inspiration load? What did you use before pulling, and what did you use after?|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Pulled Honoree solo, he still held then 2 shot me, 3 times.
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We went through this again and again in the beta, like Gruumch said. The beta threads are full of advice and tactics for handling the mission, from people who soloed it repeatedly with squishies. I finished it on my IO-heavy emp/dark without dying, and others did it on SO-only defenders and controllers. Notably, EvilGeko completed it repeatedly on various builds that he had never played before; he created new characters that got auto-bumped to 50, loaded them with SOs, and ran the arc. It is soloable by squishies.
It's more difficult than the average arc, yes. You may need new tactics, or a different load of inspirations. This is the beginning of your character's apotheosis--did you expect it to be easy?
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hey, I gave a you a solution, you choose not to use it.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
yeah thats a great idea, so why not just pack up and close up villian faction if that is the only answer.
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Face it, many folks preferred heroside and went there. Keep in mind many villains also went rogue.
Also it has been shown repeatedly that the mission is soloable. Go read the threads showing how or wait till later in the day when more folks are on.
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Did you try eating purples? Sometimes that works at keeping the EBs missing, although sometimes they get lucky and punch right through it. x_x;
In the end, there's other guys online that can help, as there's that whole teaming mechanic.
coh wasnt hard before i19.
coh is not hard after i19.
Use insps, they are part of the game.
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Yeah that is the second problem that needs dealing with.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Did you try eating purples? Sometimes that works at keeping the EBs missing, although sometimes they get lucky and punch right through it. x_x;
In the end, there's other guys online that can help, as there's that whole teaming mechanic. |
Villianside is DEAD on most servers because of the TF/merit imbalance for heroes. Got a bunch of help offers, all from hero characters...
Wound up just dropping it for bad game design.
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That's the only thing I'll agree with. It really should be a cross faction arc.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Yeah that is the second problem that needs dealing with.
Villianside is DEAD on most servers because of the TF/merit imbalance for heroes. Got a bunch of help offers, all from hero characters... Wound up just dropping it for bad game design. |
It's not at all bad game design, as that mission has to be shown to be soloable by the weakest of characters. Evidence after evidence in both closed and open beta has shown that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Which still leads to my original point.
For players who dont read the forums, the advice most often given out in BC is just drop the mission, its not worth banging your head against.
Is this really what the devs want?
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The same thing happens for something in just about every new Issue:
It goes along the lines of "OMG! New content X is too hard. The Devs should either nerf it or fix it NAO!"
Then a week or so passes, everybody learns how to beat it and finally no one ever whines about it again. 
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We complain the game is too easy.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Which still leads to my original point.
For players who dont read the forums, the advice most often given out in BC is just drop the mission, its not worth banging your head against. Is this really what the devs want? |
They give us a challenge, one that would require many people to alter their normal strategy for defeating mobs.
We complain the game is too hard.
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Do you mind sharing with us what your Primary/Secondary/APP-PPP was? Also, have you had any problems defeating Holtz?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Yeah that is the second problem that needs dealing with.
Villianside is DEAD on most servers because of the TF/merit imbalance for heroes. Got a bunch of help offers, all from hero characters... Wound up just dropping it for bad game design. |
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Okie so if you played the game forever, read forums and make perfect builds and have perfect inspiration load its soloable.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
That's the only thing I'll agree with. It really should be a cross faction arc.
It's not at all bad game design, as that mission has to be shown to be soloable by the weakest of characters. Evidence after evidence in both closed and open beta has shown that you don't know what you're talking about. |
But if you dont and the advice you get is get a team, but there are no teams villianside and the other advice is oh well if you cant get a team just drop it.
You can say this is a player problem, but there wouldnt be a ton of complaints if there wasnt some problem with the mission and some problem with villianside teaming
Though two seperate issues, they are problems.
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What server are you on? Almost all of my 50's are villains and I will be running this arc later tonight on a couple of them. I am on Freedom and will be looking for a group to run this.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Doesnt help the mission is not cross faction and villianside is a complete and desolate wasteland on almost every server.
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I would also assume TEAMING would be a suggestion also.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Which still leads to my original point.
For players who dont read the forums, the advice most often given out in BC is just drop the mission, its not worth banging your head against. Is this really what the devs want? |
People are going to use the drop function no matter how easy a misison is or isn't. I often use it to speed through arcs just to get the reward at the end.
the ITF is one of the best designed TFs in game and people still speed through it
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This is one of the worst missions Ive ever seen in the game, getting held and 2 shotted is not in any way shape or form fun.
This mission is darn near undoable by squishies unless they are bleeding io's from their ears.
Melee's are soloing this fairly easy and dont want or need to team up with the squishies.
And I saw alot of people saying just drop the mission, its not worth it...
whats the point of putting in a mission so many people are just going to drop.
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