Honoree mission Awful
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Posted on: 2010-11-30 13:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Do you mind sharing with us what your Primary/Secondary/APP-PPP was? Also, have you had any problems defeating Holtz?
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Never got to holtz couldnt get past Honoree, went in first time with 2 medium purple and 1 medium break free, got a few hits off on him then got held and 2 shotted.
Second two times when I had to shift down to smalls it got worse even though I used more insp.
At this point tried to team, got a heroic brute and couldnt get in, tried again got squishie teamates but never got past 4 people because people kept running off to drop it and start incarnate.
Then I got frustrated and dropped also since this is what was being said on BC.
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An endgame mission where you are on the path to gain godly power? Yeah, I sure hope they are all difficult missions.
I, personally, haven't played any of the I19 content but I really do hope that everything Incarnate related is VERY challenging. This is what I've been wanting for a long time.
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Im finnished now, I already dropped it.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
And I'll ask you again, as you keep avoiding it: what toon are you using? What's their pri/sec, etc?
YOU are on the forums and I assume you are here cause you want help soloing the mission? Or did you just come here to complain? |
Im saying this is bad game design, the teaming situation is doubly exasperated by villian imbalance, no cross faction and people are dropping it all over the place.
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This. THIS IS ENDGAME CONTENT.|
Originally Posted by blueruckus
An endgame mission where you are on the path to gain godly power? Yeah, I sure hope they are all difficult missions.
I, personally, haven't played any of the I19 content but I really do hope that everything Incarnate related is VERY challenging. This is what I've been wanting for a long time. |
It's not supposed to be something that you can just walk in and press one or two buttons and win.
To be honest with you the mission isn't that difficult if you just use some strategy.
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Isn't that what the "Complete Mission" function is for?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im finnished now, I already dropped it.
Im saying this is bad game design, the teaming situation is doubly exasperated by villian imbalance, no cross faction and people are dropping it all over the place. |
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No all the other missions are actually fairly easy, the guardian is just a pounder he hits hard but you can kite him.
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
An endgame mission where you are on the path to gain godly power? Yeah, I sure hope they are all difficult missions.
I, personally, haven't played any of the I19 content but I really do hope that everything Incarnate related is VERY challenging. This is what I've been wanting for a long time. |
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The only thing I'd agree on is that it needs to be cross faction.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im finnished now, I already dropped it.
Im saying this is bad game design, the teaming situation is doubly exasperated by villian imbalance, no cross faction and people are dropping it all over the place. |
Everything else you're talking about, you're wrong about. As has been proven multiple times with the weakest of characters SOLO with just SOs.
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That's what you did wrong there. You should have brought in a tray full of purple.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Never got to holtz couldnt get past Honoree, went in first time with 2 medium purple and 1 medium break free, got a few hits off on him then got held and 2 shotted. |
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Did you aggro both at the same time?
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Originally Posted by Scythus
That's what you did wrong there. You should have brought in a tray full of purple.
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I assume you are level 50, so I would take 6 purples - 4 or 5 reds and 2 break frees. In MANY EB fights you require a tactic to defeat them. I have solo'd some EB's on my blaster that I just used brute force and ignorance - popped 6 reds and nuked them down. The others require difference attempts. I am sorry 2 purples and one BF didn't do it.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
TA/arch/mu
Never got to holtz couldnt get past Honoree, went in first time with 2 medium purple and 1 medium break free, got a few hits off on him then got held and 2 shotted. Second two times when I had to shift down to smalls it got worse even though I used more insp. At this point tried to team, got a heroic brute and couldnt get in, tried again got squishie teamates but never got past 4 people because people kept running off to drop it and start incarnate. Then I got frustrated and dropped also since this is what was being said on BC. |
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OK, since you put Trick Arrow first I'm going to assume this was a Defender. Please let me know if that's not correct.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
TA/arch/mu
Never got to holtz couldnt get past Honoree, went in first time with 2 medium purple and 1 medium break free, got a few hits off on him then got held and 2 shotted. Second two times when I had to shift down to smalls it got worse even though I used more insp. At this point tried to team, got a heroic brute and couldnt get in, tried again got squishie teamates but never got past 4 people because people kept running off to drop it and start incarnate. Then I got frustrated and dropped also since this is what was being said on BC. |
My suggestion, if you're interested in soloing this arc, is to make sure you use enough lucks to get to soft-cap, then before you even think about damage, get the Honoree good and immobilized. Entangling Arrow should be able to accomplish this on its own. Make sure you keep him immobilized and stay a good distance away from him since Entangling has such a long range anyway.
Then keep your lucks up, apply the debuffs (especially -res) and go to town.
If this is a Corruptor, the strategy is the same, but ironically, you might have an easier time with the damage buff of the Defender. I'm not sure you'll get much use out of Scourge with the Honoree giving up before he's defeated.
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Im sure you are soooooooooooo Leet that this might be true.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
The only thing I'd agree on is that it needs to be cross faction.
Everything else you're talking about, you're wrong about. As has been proven multiple times with the weakest of characters SOLO with just SOs. |
But in BC there were tons of people having trouble with the mission.
Honestly im just going to drop it on all my characters, its just not worth the hassle if your not a melee.
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That's your choice, of course, but it's fun when you can take that mission down on your own.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im sure you are soooooooooooo Leet that this might be true.
But in BC there were tons of people having trouble with the mission. Honestly im just going to drop it on all my characters, its just not worth the hassle if your not a melee. |
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Nah I know how to pull correctly|
Originally Posted by RadDidIt
Did you aggro both at the same time?
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really doesnt matter now, already dropped it.
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Has nothing to do with being leet, as again has been proven MULTIPLE times.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im sure you are soooooooooooo Leet that this might be true.
But in BC there were tons of people having trouble with the mission. Honestly im just going to drop it on all my characters, its just not worth the hassle if your not a melee. |
You can however drop it. Nothing wrong with that.
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Ill do it on my scrapper whenever I finnish and get to 50.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
That's your choice, of course, but it's fun when you can take that mission down on your own.
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Actually it hasnt, its been proven some people can do it, not all.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Has nothing to do with being leet, as again has been proven MULTIPLE times.
You can however drop it. Nothing wrong with that. |
I can give just as much anecdotal evidence by counting the amount of people in globals, and bc saying they cant do it.
All that has been proven is a few very dedicated players who have researched everything till their brains leek out have managed to do it with some rather weak builds.
Wait till tonight and lets see how many more complaint threads show up.
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Actually I'd argue you'll see less as there will be more players on, thus more teaming to bang out the arc fast. Since EVERY mission in the arc uses the group complete feature (if you have the same mission you are given the option to complete it when your team leader does).
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Actually it hasnt, its been proven some people can do it, not all.
I can give just as much anecdotal evidence by counting the amount of people in globals, and bc saying they cant do it. All that has been proven is a few very dedicated players who have researched everything till their brains leek out have managed to do it with some rather weak builds. Wait till tonight and lets see how many more complaint threads show up. |
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The content is supposed to be hard. In fact, content related to the Incarnate slot is supposed to be harder than anything we have ever had to do.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im sure you are soooooooooooo Leet that this might be true.
But in BC there were tons of people having trouble with the mission. Honestly im just going to drop it on all my characters, its just not worth the hassle if your not a melee. |
It hasn't even been 12 hours. The strategies for beating Honoree have not been widely disseminated yet. How to beat Hamidon wasn't common knowledge when that raid was first released, either. (In fact, the strategy that we players came up with turned out to be a surprise for the Devs. The Devs designed Hamidon with a victory strategy in mind, and apparently, in the four to five years the original Hamidon raid lasted, it seems that no one figured out that strategy.)
You are obviously forum savvy. Why you came here to complain rather than learn, I'll never know. If you just wanted to whine about how hard it is, you could have done that in Broadcast right along with everyone else you are championing, and you might have gotten some sympathy. If you had asked politely in the Help Channel, you might even have gotten some good advice, but I'm guessing you decided to give up rather than go through the effort of learning.
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Actually I did read the strategies but didnt pay too much attention because I thought I would be getting help from a freinds brute, kinda surprised the heck out of me when I couldnt bring them into a mission in RWZ.
Probably got more frustrated by that than anything else..
The Villian imbalance has been a LONG time problem Ive been complaining about.
There really is no reason why Sister pysche should award twice the merits of LRSF.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
This is one of the worst missions Ive ever seen in the game, getting held and 2 shotted is not in any way shape or form fun.
This mission is darn near undoable by squishies unless they are bleeding io's from their ears. |
See, I finished it with a non-IO'd Earth/FF. Not exactly high damage. And solo. Along with the rest of the arc. Also with an Emp/Rad. An Elec/Elec. And multiple other squishies. I'm making it a point to solo this arc. I'm looking forward to yawning through it on my masterminds and doms.
None of these, btw, are particularly IO'd, and certainly not purpled, soft-capped, hard-capped, baseball-capped or anything else.
Perhaps you need to rethink your approach.
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But if you dont and the advice you get is get a team, but there are no teams villianside and the other advice is oh well if you cant get a team just drop it.
You can say this is a player problem, but there wouldnt be a ton of complaints if there wasnt some problem with the mission and some problem with villianside teaming
Though two seperate issues, they are problems.
YOU are on the forums and I assume you are here cause you want help soloing the mission? Or did you just come here to complain?
EDIT: Also whether you like to hear it or not most players (for various reasons) have gone HEROSIDE. You can easily go there now. So honestly the lack of villain players is something I couldn't care less about since there is option for folks who just need to team to clear this mission. Which you don't. Nor do you need IOs.
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