one poster put it pretty well, anyone can pick up a wrench, not everyone can use it to smash recluse's head in, there is always a kind of meta-super aspect to our characters, really being able to kick or punch hard enough to smash a submarine, or to affect seemingly incorporeal entities is just as silly from the outside(more so, really), but for characters with the appended "super" power, its possible. there are examples from film, books and games where characters can do entirely unreal things with swords and firearms, just go with that.
Our origins mean nothing in relation to the incarnate abilities.
My main will remain the magic devil that he is, but he'll be that plus having a channel to the Well of the Furies after unlocking the alpha slot.
A normal with a gun will still be a normal with a gun, but he'll be that plus having a channel to the Well of the Furies after unlocking the alpha slot.
Our origins don't change when we slot inventions, why should they change when we slot incarnate abilities?
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The short answer is "however you want it to". You, of course, have the option of completely ignoring the Well of Furies fluff and making your own explanation for how your character is getting stronger but even within the bounds of the fluff there are plenty of explanations.
The simple version is that the character's skill with his weapon becomes better. A sword user might find that he is getting faster and stronger than he was before or is able to swing his sword for longer before tiring. A gun wielder might find that his sight improves and he is able to place his shots with more precision.
Or maybe the character finds himself able to use the power of the gods to imbue his weapon. His sword is now preternaturally sharp and never needs sharpening. The bullets he fires from his gun glow with a mystic energy and seem to penetrate armor more effectively.
Or maybe the Well does not directly increase the character's combat ability at all but instead grants him knowledge which he can use to increase his potency. While he sleeps the Sword user dreams of a small cave in the woods near Paragon City, when he wakes up he seeks it out and after passing many trials is granted a sword that is a relic of ages past when the Gods walked the earth and fought alongside humans. The gun user doesn't notice anything different but whenever he works on his gear things seem... clearer than they were before and he is able to make upgrades to his gear that he would never have thought possible.
I understand the game mechanics of it.
I just find the idea of a man with the gun of a god intriguing.
On top of that, a character that is a robot/android, developing these godlike powers is also intriguing.
I am in no way complaining about a single thing. I love the idea(being able the par with the most powerful of this world). I'm just inquiring on other's ideas of how characteristically and personal-lore-wize, the coming advancements will be with those of the Punisher/Dare Devil/Batman/Question level of power.
As a side note, I do find interesting how the "normals" can affect, and even "kill" ghosts. Perhaps they make themselves solid enough to affect the material world long enough to do either good or harm, and when they feel in danger they go FULL ghost and flea for a while(one thing I hate about the CoT, but it is good for reprive till you heal, at least a little).
Again, no complaints, just fascination about RP and lore possibilities.
I guess it gives you as many options as you can think of plus a few more...
it could be that the "guy with the gun" is a dead shot but the gun is just a gun... and the incarnate somehow empowers the bullet... so a "normal" hero's weapon might be be stopped by body armour but the incarnate's weapon is guided by his force of will and shatters the armour
it's an interesting question though.
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i'd post a video example of a super powered gun wielder from an anime called 'darker than black' [2], unfortunately i can't seem to find any short and clear enough to characterize the idea well.
essentially, the character has an internal 'well' providing a large browning .50 snipe rifle. not all that far off from the 'where did i put that [take it from]' when shouldering the assault rifle, etc.
/ymmv
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Didn't Punisher become an Agent of God and expanded his target list to demons as well? I didn't read it, but I think I heard something like that happened.
That's pretty much a gun user with the powers of a god. I haven't heard if it was a good story, though.
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There's really no such thing as "simply a man / woman" in this game. If that were the case, your character would be dead in a very short time.| but if you are simply a man(or woman)with a gun or sword(however technologically advanced), how would that work? |
Players who want to believe they're playing a "regular person" need to be tolerant of (or ignore) many things that frequently spoil that notion.
On that note, one should be able to accept the Incarnate System as an additional source of power without much fuss about it upsetting their origin.
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By this logic, the Silver Samurai would just be a man with a sword.|
Originally Posted by wildsider316
I was thinking about the Incarnate system, and found this idea intriguing.
How does a "normal" with a gun or a sword(replace "sword" with any melee weapon, "gun" is universal as it pertains to firearms)handle growing godlike powers? A man using barehands and feet, or utilizing any element, I'd understand(for the bare-handed godlikes, see the Dragonball saga), but if you are simply a man(or woman)with a gun or sword(however technologically advanced), how would that work? |
Of course, for him, the quality of the sword does not matter. He can cut a tank in half with a plastic sword. Ironic, since he currently hold a sentient katana of considerable power.
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I like Silver Samurai, lost touch with him in the comics....well....since I lost my comics(had a pretty good collection too, either Rita or Ike took 'em). The best memory I have, is when he fought Wolverine(in the cartoon). He had the ability to teleport, and was doing well, untill Wolverine timed his movement, and caught 'em.|
Originally Posted by Targoth
By this logic, the Silver Samurai would just be a man with a sword.
Of course, for him, the quality of the sword does not matter. He can cut a tank in half with a plastic sword. Ironic, since he currently hold a sentient katana of considerable power. |
Also(from wiki):
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| Silver Samurai, the illegitimate son of Shingen Yashida, is a Japanese mutant with the power to charge almost anything, most notably his katana, with mutant energy (described as a tachyon field) which enables it to slice through any known substance excluding adamantium. He also sports a suit based on traditional samurai armor. It is made of a silver metal, hence his name. |
I meant people as normal as you(possibly, I don't know)or me. No mutant powers, no advanced cybernetics, no magical spells, no scientific advantages. Just normal, plain, ordinary people.
You would become a modern version of various mere mortals that have done astounding things with just skill, muscle and limitless will. Mythology is full of them.
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Just watch movies like Iron Monkey or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, etc.
Some naturals do what normal people can do and others do astounding (impossible) things. The natural has simply now tapped into a source of power that enables him/her to do the most incredible things.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Wasn't here when they were being released, but it'll be just like patron powers. People will RP it out to be something else.
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the term "god" has become kind of degraded in popular culture to mean some fairly unimpressive powers, so i kind of avoid using that in relation to incarnates (leaving out its emotionally charged nature as well) my conception of the incarnate power goes mroe along with the imvestment of incredible primal power, kind of like the silver surfer's power cosmic, that is how i see incarnates, the "power cosmic", it seems to work out in general comic book power level, and it avoids any unpleasent side digressions. For good examples of characters making guns do nutty stuff, various anime (trigun, outlaw star and hellsing come directly to mind) may help you concieve a cosmicly powered gunman, also the matrix and equilibrium.
(it also resolves any conflicts because a number of my characters are directly in the employ of specific divine entities).
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In the end you can always handwave it away. If you want. Do the content to improve your character and have the ability to do the TFs and just say the character really isn't an incarnate.
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Originally Posted by wildsider316
I was thinking about the Incarnate system, and found this idea intriguing.
How does a "normal" with a gun or a sword(replace "sword" with any melee weapon, "gun" is universal as it pertains to firearms)handle growing godlike powers? A man using barehands and feet, or utilizing any element, I'd understand(for the bare-handed godlikes, see the Dragonball saga), but if you are simply a man(or woman)with a gun or sword(however technologically advanced), how would that work? |
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Originally Posted by Terminal Velocity
Wasn't here when they were being released, but it'll be just like patron powers. People will RP it out to be something else.
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Well, "god" has traditionally referred a wide variety of supernatural entities, some with rather limited domains or capabilities. Of course this is referring to lower-case "g" gods. It's primarily adherents of the Abrahamic religions that reserve god as something used in the singular, upper-case and omnipotent sense. Comics tend to avoid the upper-case divinities and use the mythological lower-case gods. The most consistent attribute they all share is being nearly unkillable. Actual power level tends to vary depending on the original source material and writer's fiat.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
the term "god" has become kind of degraded in popular culture to mean some fairly unimpressive powers, so i kind of avoid using that in relation to incarnates (leaving out its emotionally charged nature as well) my conception of the incarnate power goes mroe along with the imvestment of incredible primal power, kind of like the silver surfer's power cosmic, that is how i see incarnates, the "power cosmic", it seems to work out in general comic book power level, and it avoids any unpleasent side digressions. For good examples of characters making guns do nutty stuff, various anime (trigun, outlaw star and hellsing come directly to mind) may help you concieve a cosmicly powered gunman, also the matrix and equilibrium.
(it also resolves any conflicts because a number of my characters are directly in the employ of specific divine entities). |
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I kind of expect to be doing that with at least one of my characters... I prefer to imagine her being powerful on her own and not relying on power gained from an outside source. I'll play through, read all the relevant background, etc and then say "uh-huh... nice. Doesn't apply to me."|
Originally Posted by Terminal Velocity
Wasn't here when they were being released, but it'll be just like patron powers. People will RP it out to be something else.
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I've seen a number of Kheldians who stay in human form and RP that they are normal humans with "powers similar to a Kheldian"...
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Give the guy one gun, and he's Superman.
Give him two, and he's God.
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Our origins mean nothing in relation to the incarnate abilities.
My main will remain the magic devil that he is, but he'll be that plus having a channel to the Well of the Furies after unlocking the alpha slot. A normal with a gun will still be a normal with a gun, but he'll be that plus having a channel to the Well of the Furies after unlocking the alpha slot. Our origins don't change when we slot inventions, why should they change when we slot incarnate abilities? |
A regular guy getting a shot of magic? He becomes magic, period.
Therefore, some of my characters will have to completely ignore Incarnate stuff, just as they ignore the Origin of Power stuff, the Power Proliferation nonsense and the backstories behind the Patron Power Pools of CoV.
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I was thinking about the Incarnate system, and found this idea intriguing.
How does a "normal" with a gun or a sword(replace "sword" with any melee weapon, "gun" is universal as it pertains to firearms)handle growing godlike powers?
A man using barehands and feet, or utilizing any element, I'd understand(for the bare-handed godlikes, see the Dragonball saga), but if you are simply a man(or woman)with a gun or sword(however technologically advanced), how would that work?