A god with a gun

give him three, he's a juggler so was captain hammer. his hammer wasn't mjolnir though.

The OP was asking how someone with a sword or a gun could be godly. I pointed out a Norse deity renown for his hammer.

...and rian made a joke tangentially related to your post. That whooshing noise you hear is the joke sailing over your head.

Who said the Well was magic? The Well is power, not magic, not natural, not science, not technology, not a mutation, just raw power. How a character 'uses' it is up to them.

For example, a Mutation Origin character can view this as the Well unlocking greater innate abilities, similar to how Jean Grey became Phoenix, or Iceman without his belt. It's all in how you envision your character gaining power from this new source of power.

Game lore says so.

you should see dr horrible''s sing along blog, its very funny and ingraned in the nerdosphere enough that people here would get the semi-naughty joke i made.

To me origin has never been "this is what makes all of your powers work" but "this is what makes you special". As an example, lets say you have two Broadsword Scrappers.

The first one has a magical sword that makes him faster, stronger and more skillful than he would be without it.
The second has a perfectly normal sword but works out a lot to become an excellent swordsman.

Obviously the first one is magic origin while the second is natural. Now suppose the second scrapper finds a magic sword that shoots fire (an explanation for picking up the Blaze Mastery APP). Does that suddenly make him Magic Origin? IMHO not really, the sword is a magical item but it's his skill that makes him a hero, the sword merely grants him a few abilities that he wouldn't have otherwise.

A characters origin will generally describe where a large portion of his powers come from (at the very least it should probably explain the powers in either your primary or secondary set) but it doesn't encapsulate all of a character's power. Magic and Technology function very well as "bolt on" powers to an existing Origin since they can be easily used to explain artifacts or gadgets that grant specific abilities. Science and Mutation can also work, a character finds out he has a minor mutation that he manages to harness giving him new powers or exposure to radiation changes his DNA for a similar effect (comic book physics, obviously ). Even Natural can explain new powers for otherwise non-natural characters, using the example of the Magic Sword Wielding Scrapper above, he discovers early in his career that although the sword enhances his abilities he tires quickly and starts working out to increase his ability to wield the sword (i.e. he takes the Fitness pool).

Another way of looking at it is that the Origin is what starts the character on the path to being a hero. Powers he picks up later could conceivably be from any origin but they don't fundamentally change who he is and his origin remains unchanged.

It doesn't really matter if it works for you or not. As a natural character, you've accepted that you can craft items that allow you to do things that natural humans can not accomplish.

You can't jump over a bus. You can't run at 40 miles per hour. You're already tossing out your "natural" origin by creating a character in I-19 thanks to the inherent fitness pool.

One's ORIGIN does not change by adding the Perf Shifter Chance for +End. One's ORIGIN does not change by picking up the Ultimate Nullifier and using it to scare off Galactus. One's ORIGIN does not change by adding an influx of power from the Well of the Furies.

If you wish to avoid the incarnate abilities based on the backstory of your character, so be it, but don't try to pretend that he shouldn't because it will change his origin.

That's fine... for you. I don't see it that way.

new side story, the incarnate enema. down side is, its solo only.

Which IOs do these guys have slotted?

Let's do this, shall we? You play your way, I'll play mine.

My Natural guy does NOT run at 40 mph. That's a game mechanic which I ignore. He does NOT get a boost from IOs, he's in top physical condition. Now, in Paragon City, people are more fit than they are here on our world, but my guy is still Natural. Shoving a Magic suppository up his bum isn't going to happen: the Incarnate stuff is just going to be him firing on all cylinders and having a better-than-usual day, end of story.

Watch this: here's what people can do in OUR world. See this video, too: despite the one "running on water" thing which was a fake video by a shoe company, that's an example of the Natural origin. There are dozens of such videos of incredible athletic abilities people have. Look up Cirque du Soleil or Billy's Balls (ping pong ball tricks) or business card throwing... there are all sorts of gifts people have.

So yeah, my Natural guy can go head-to-head with demons and gods because he's just that good. That's how I play, and it's not wrong.

mmm yes...you can tell yourself whatever story you like but it's a bit foolish to get upset at others who don't want to play along when you ignore the game story.

They already did!

You don't actually drink from the well so far! There are in fact other ways besides drinking from the well. :O

Do you remember the posts about those that would never touch the market again because of the market merge "forcing" them to accept goods from evilbadhorrible villains?

Yes, Emberly, the RPers are often silly.

... This guy is my new hero... I mean, seriously. He is impressive, skilled, intelligent, modest and made transition from war to peace rather easily, if the wiki is to be believed.

My hobby is to make characters whose behavior and concept are contradictory to vital City of Heroes' core concepts and then make threads about it.

I'm still typing up my thread on my Buddhist hero that considers rankings so offensive as to be as close to blasphemy as the Buddhist faith allows. It's insulting to me that the devs still have a leveling system after I made this character.

Jesus, with a shotgun and a smoke, giving us the Abhaya Mudra, a Buddhist gesture meaning "have no fear." Why can't religion be more like this?

If that is what you wish your religion to be like, so be it.

Get ordained on the internet and start a church.

But I think we've crossed the moderator line on this with that picture...and any response to it.

We'll see on Monday I suppose.

But they could be. I've seen the movies. A guy with a book, a cross and a vial of water went toe-to-toe with a demon inhabiting a little girl who vomited pea soup at him. Natural versus Demon, right there. Every week on Supernatural Sam and Dean take on all manner of magical baddies, and all they have is guns, guts and a kickin' Chevy.

What are you talking about? I just said that I am ignoring the Incarnate stuff the same way I'm ignoring the other stuff. (Not for all characters; for some of my characters the in-game story is fine. But for at least 3/4 my characters -- everyone who isn't Magic-themed or whose backstory isn't built upon the CoH lore -- I have to ignore that junk because it is, in a word, stupid.)

Because one is a game mechanic and the other is a ridiculous addition to the game story which constrains my creativity. As I said in the other thread, the Origin of Power story from Percy Winkley cheeses me off because it instantly invalidated nearly all of my characters. For some, such as my 117-year-old Mutant, it was right in his face when they said all Mutants originated in 1939. So suddenly my guy -- who existed *before* OoPs -- was rendered non-canon. And when Positron-NPC went on about Power Proliferation for no apparent reason, that notion suddenly made every single character some kind of ridiculous meld of magicky-techy mumbo-jumbo, completely altering our chosen origins. Even though the game doesn't actually support our Origins, some of us enjoy working with those while building characters. Having those characters invalidated because the Devs felt the bizarre need to explain a game mechanic -- and that's *all* Power proliferation is, you don't need a dang rationale for it -- is irksome.

I would prefer that they simply removed the idiocy of OoPs and PP because it's just that: idiotic. As I said in the other thread, there's no need to tell us that some characters share animations because we all were trained by the same guy. That kind of thing limits our creativity because suddenly your space alien, my boxer-turned-streetfighter and Joe Blow's time-traveling medieval ninja were somehow all trained by the same dude next to the bowling alley on 14th and Broad. The actual *reason* characters share animations is because of time and budget constraints while making the game. There's no need to explain it in the game world. That's an exact analogy to Powerset Proliferation. And now the Incarnate explanation.

Just let us be better and leave the explanations to us, mmkay?

As I said... sigh... I *do*.

I just wish I didn't have to.