The clip in question is at IO9's review of the episode.
Also...
"194 days since Wildfire was declared and 63 days since the disease went global."
Well it seems that it was localized for a long time before they lost containment. Space born ala Andromeda?
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It appears from that article that the writing staff only wrote 2 of the 6 episodes, Darabont wrote another 2 himself, and the last 2 were written by work-for-hire writers. So the move is not that suprising.
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This is all news to me. I knew nothing of the comic or any of these problems with the writers. I'm just glad there is still gonna be a next season.
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It would, at least on the surface, allow for some more standalone, or more varied writing, since Darabont would be bringing in outsiders/freelancers, which may be a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
It appears from that article that the writing staff only wrote 2 of the 6 episodes, Darabont wrote another 2 himself, and the last 2 were written by work-for-hire writers. So the move is not that suprising.
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Episode 4 was written by Kirkman as primary.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
It appears from that article that the writing staff only wrote 2 of the 6 episodes, Darabont wrote another 2 himself, and the last 2 were written by work-for-hire writers. So the move is not that suprising.
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Well here is some wonderful news. Darabont has fired every last one of the writers from the series. He doesn't plan on hiring a new staff of writers either. He's just going to shop the scripts out to freelancers.
I can see it now
scene: zombie shuffles into a bar full of patrons.
ALL PATRONS: Norm!
Jack Black (in a special guest appearance): Fear not citizens for I Buddy the Zombie slayer will destroy this foul creature with my guitar chords of doom!
Wisecracking kid type: (looiking directly into the camera) Now you guys are probably thinking this guy is gonna get eaten. But I've seen him in action and he's not too bad. And he's also pretty good at fighting zombies.
Edit: It appears I'm a bit late with the news. But the thought behind it stands. Freelancers generally suck if they try to write anything deeper than an episode of friends.
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I counted Kirkman as a freelancer as he wasn't part of the hired staff.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Episode 4 was written by Kirkman as primary.
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Good. As I feel the writing is the worst part of the show. I shouldn't want to fast forward a zombie show because of excessive obvious dialogue.
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If your gonna put Jack Black in there you gotta stick Kage in there with him somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Well here is some wonderful news. Darabont has fired every last one of the writers from the series. He doesn't plan on hiring a new staff of writers either. He's just going to shop the scripts out to freelancers.
I can see it now scene: zombie shuffles into a bar full of patrons. ALL PATRONS: Norm! Jack Black (in a special guest appearance): Fear not citizens for I Buddy the Zombie slayer will destroy this foul creature with my guitar chords of doom! Wisecracking kid type: (looiking directly into the camera) Now you guys are probably thinking this guy is gonna get eaten. But I've seen him in action and he's not too bad. And he's also pretty good at fighting zombies. Edit: It appears I'm a bit late with the news. But the thought behind it stands. Freelancers generally suck if they try to write anything deeper than an episode of friends. |
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Here's some of my thoughts on Dr. CDC.
1) Agree with Frogfather: I got the impression the guy was despondent from long isolation, feeling like he failed and possibly thinking he's the last person left alive. 2) I don't think he infected himself. Whatever that stuff was he spilled was VERY corrosive and he didn't seem to be in pain, so I don't think it burned his skin. 3) As to why he said "Go away," well, I believe anything we can come up with for that is pure speculation. Anyway, my pure speculation is that he has something to hide. I'm guessing that he maybe killed someone to keep them from leaving and possibly letting zombies in. Or he killed someone to extend the food supply (not cannibalism, just fewer mouths to feed). Or maybe...maybe...TS-19 (the destroyed tissue sample) was from someone he infected before and he's afraid he'll do it again, or that he'll be found out. 4) From #3...why *is* the CDC empty except for this guy? I'm guessing there are at least a few hundred people who work there, counting all the scientists, clerical staff, maintenance, etc. It seems that SOME of them should still be there. More than just Dr. CDC, I would think. |
You know, I'm starting the think the easiest answer might be he ditched everyone when the crap hit the fan. He might have had the same kind of thinking that St0ner brought up; he saw people dying and getting infected and he just happenned to be able to shut down the base from the inside and saved himself.
He's probably been working on the cure out of guilt for saving his own hide when he had the chance. Finding the cure might not be his attempt to maintain his duty to humanity but a desperate act of redemption? Maybe he didn't want the others outside to find out what he did, especially when he lost any chance of a cure so maybe it was desperation/shame?
Or maybe i'm giving the writing too much credit and the obvious answer is the right one? Everyone just died...
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As someone who has seen .60 cal machine guns in action Im always amazed that slow moving zombies (as opposed to the fast ones from 28 Days later and the like) could overrun any military checkpoint like they obviously did in that episode. Two or three rounds would cut a zombie in half, so there should be more half zombies running around.|
Originally Posted by NiVra
You know, I'm starting the think the easiest answer might be he ditched everyone when the crap hit the fan. He might have had the same kind of thinking that St0ner brought up; he saw people dying and getting infected and he just happenned to be able to shut down the base from the inside and saved himself.
He's probably been working on the cure out of guilt for saving his own hide when he had the chance. Finding the cure might not be his attempt to maintain his duty to humanity but a desperate act of redemption? Maybe he didn't want the others outside to find out what he did, especially when he lost any chance of a cure so maybe it was desperation/shame? Or maybe i'm giving the writing too much credit and the obvious answer is the right one? Everyone just died... |
The body count isnt high enough around the nest, assuming the military knew what was coming (and by knew I mean 10-15 mins of lead time)...but the novel World War Z covered that when they mentioned the US Military is trained to shoot center of mass. Unfortunately that just staggers a zombie....so its possible the zombies got up to the gate with flesh wounds....
Anyhow my point to all this was its likely the checkpoint fought a delaying action as they evacuated the site. If one person wanted to stay behind, maybe the chief researcher, I dont think anyone would argue with him in that situation. Thats why the bodies roll all the way back to the CDC building and arent stacked high at one particular spot. So lets assume he told his junior techs "the research is too important to move...Im going to stay here....you evacuate with the military". I could see that.
Here are some random thoughts re Dr. CDC: (sorry if repeating, haven't read the whole thread)
-He created the original vaccine, and feels guilty for (killing all of the CDC staff, and everyone else)
-He is immune - thus his unconcern for himself getting infected when his protective gear gets compromised
Just some thoughts. I am enjoying the show, though they fall back on some annoying survival-movie tropes (some unnecessary splitting up, some unnecessary panics...) though less often than most of this genre. I'm looking forward to more.
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I wouldn't have minded this so much if they weren't going against character. I really don't mind the plot deviations, if I wanted a direct adaptation I'd just go re-read the comic. But when you have Rick leading his family and group into direct danger, and than freaking out once they got there, that is just so contrary to the Rick's motivations and demeanor in the comic that it puts me off a bit.
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Originally Posted by galadiman
Here are some random thoughts re Dr. CDC: Just some thoughts. I am enjoying the show, though they fall back on some annoying survival-movie tropes (some unnecessary splitting up, some unnecessary panics...) though less often than most of this genre. I'm looking forward to more.
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Well, to be fair, (re: Rick panicking) on one hand I agree completely; on the other, it was his push to come here, his hopes were apparently high, then when he gets there, the door is not only closed, but someone is apparently inside actively watching them. Might send a lawman (who is probably somewhat accustomed to being able to command a modicum of acquiescence) a little batspit.|
Originally Posted by SuckerPunch
I wouldn't have minded this so much if they weren't going against character. I really don't mind the plot deviations, if I wanted a direct adaptation I'd just go re-read the comic. But when you have Rick leading his family and group into direct danger, and than freaking out once they got there, that is just so contrary to the Rick's motivations and demeanor in the comic that it puts me off a bit.
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Of course, what I was actually thinking during the panic in question was, "Dude, the building is BIIG. You're not in imminent danger. CHILL. There might be another way in, dummy! GO AROUND!"
And to (Quiet American, if I recall correctly), re: talking^8, I really LIKE the talking. Too many people insist that DOING is the most important thing, "DO SOMETHING NAO!" But in this kind of situation, each decision could very well be LIFE or DEATH, for ALL of them. [I recall the mushroom incident - (paraphrasing) -"There's only one way I know to figure out if it's poisonous..."]
So while it is dramatically less interesting to the viewer, it seems more real that in any plan as vital as these plans are, you'd spend 90% talking/thinking about it, then the rest of the time actually carrying out the plan.
And I recall a favorite movie of mine that is 90+% talking to my recollection - "The Green Mile." Also, come to think of it, "The Shawhank Redemption" is similar... In fact, if I didn't know any better, knowing Darabont direct... NM, just found out that Darabont actually wrote those, so THAT makes sense. LOL at me, just don't point
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I agree. I think looking at it as "a zombie show" is completely the wrong approach. As a zombie show, I'd agree...you would want to FF to "the good parts". But it's not a zombie show, it's a show about these people trying to stay human.
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Well, to be fair, (re: Rick panicking) on one hand I agree completely; on the other, it was his push to come here, his hopes were apparently high, then when he gets there, the door is not only closed, but someone is apparently inside actively watching them. Might send a lawman (who is probably somewhat accustomed to being able to command a modicum of acquiescence) a little batspit.
Of course, what I was actually thinking during the panic in question was, "Dude, the building is BIIG. You're not in imminent danger. CHILL. There might be another way in, dummy! GO AROUND!" And to (Quiet American, if I recall correctly), re: talking^8, I really LIKE the talking. Too many people insist that DOING is the most important thing, "DO SOMETHING NAO!" But in this kind of situation, each decision could very well be LIFE or DEATH, for ALL of them. [I recall the mushroom incident - (paraphrasing) -"There's only one way I know to figure out if it's poisonous..."] So while it is dramatically less interesting to the viewer, it seems more real that in any plan as vital as these plans are, you'd spend 90% talking/thinking about it, then the rest of the time actually carrying out the plan. And I recall a favorite movie of mine that is 90+% talking to my recollection - "The Green Mile." Also, come to think of it, "The Shawhank Redemption" is similar... In fact, if I didn't know any better, knowing Darabont direct... NM, just found out that Darabont actually wrote those, so THAT makes sense. LOL at me, just don't point . |
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Originally Posted by galadiman
Well, to be fair, (re: Rick panicking) on one hand I agree completely; on the other, it was his push to come here, his hopes were apparently high, then when he gets there, the door is not only closed, but someone is apparently inside actively watching them. Might send a lawman (who is probably somewhat accustomed to being able to command a modicum of acquiescence) a little batspit.
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Except comic-Rick wouldn't have led them back into the heart of the city again, at twilight, risking certain doom if he's wrong and the CDC isn't in fact a safe place. The whole thing was just so out of character, and when you're doing an adaptation, I think the most important thing to carry between mediums are the characters.
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I think the most important thing to carry between mediums are the characters.
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Ahem. Back to the zombies.
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Ya...the Battle of Yonkers...all the high tech toys and absurd RKRs won't beat a simple sniper up on the rooftop.
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The body count isnt high enough around the nest, assuming the military knew what was coming (and by knew I mean 10-15 mins of lead time)...but the novel World War Z covered that when they mentioned the US Military is trained to shoot center of mass. Unfortunately that just staggers a zombie....so its possible the zombies got up to the gate with flesh wounds....
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Originally Posted by galadiman
And to (Quiet American, if I recall correctly), re: talking^8, I really LIKE the talking. Too many people insist that DOING is the most important thing, "DO SOMETHING NAO!" But in this kind of situation, each decision could very well be LIFE or DEATH, for ALL of them. [I recall the mushroom incident - (paraphrasing) -"There's only one way I know to figure out if it's poisonous..."] So while it is dramatically less interesting to the viewer, it seems more real that in any plan as vital as these plans are, you'd spend 90% talking/thinking about it, then the rest of the time actually carrying out the plan. And I recall a favorite movie of mine that is 90+% talking to my recollection - "The Green Mile." Also, come to think of it, "The Shawhank Redemption" is similar... In fact, if I didn't know any better, knowing Darabont direct... NM, just found out that Darabont actually wrote those, so THAT makes sense. LOL at me, just don't point . |
Shawshank and Green Mile have memorable, entertaining, riveting dialogue. This show just has boring obvious forgettable dialogue. The point with the movies is although they were part of a genre (Jail movies), you really didn't know what was going to happen next. Would the guy escape? Would the other one get parole? And the dialogue explored and exposed the humanity of the characters, showed unexpected facets, and flaws.
This is a Zombie show, and right now its following formula. The dialogue isn't showing unexpected anything. For instance with the Merle episode, you Know they are going back for him, the dull sheriff character is so one dimensional that he HAS too, and the story is structured so that they HAVE to go or else there is no story, but to tell the story with 45 min of dialogue is BORING and pointless.
One of the reasons I'm watching the show is because I love the director, and I hoped for greatness. The first episode had some AMAZING moments, like the dead mother at the door, or the little kid taking a swing at the Sheriff thinking he's a zombie, or the Sheriff going out into the field to put the crawling zombie out of its misery. Scenes that show the character's flaws and make him interesting. .
I expect more from the writing and directing. I was hoping for something as unexpected and charcter deep with riveting dialogue like Breaking Bad, but with Zombies. I guess perhaps I'm asking too much.
I hope it picks up.
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Originally Posted by SuckerPunch
Except comic-Rick wouldn't have led them back into the heart of the city again, at twilight, risking certain doom if he's wrong and the CDC isn't in fact a safe place. The whole thing was just so out of character, and when you're doing an adaptation, I think the most important thing to carry between mediums are the characters.
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Comic-Rick drags along only Glenn to return to the city.
He also argues with, but never advances past that point in the conversation, Shane about relocating.
It is obvious that TV-Rick is supposed to be the leader of the group while it seems, so far, that comic-Rick will, at most, be the reluctant leader. Now, that will certainly change in the next volumes, considering the climax of Vol. 1. Mind you, I think the adaptation of Vol. 1 so far surpasses the actual volume one, which is full of rushed plot points, so-so dialogue and flimsy characterization.
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Ahh.. I haven't read the comics, so now that you say this, I guess my argument about the poor writing isn't totally with the tv writers. It goes back to the source material. Good to know.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
the actual volume one, which is full of rushed plot points, so-so dialogue and flimsy characterization.
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As I've said elsewhere, will my nerd card get revoked if I say after reading up to Vol. 4 of Scott Pilgrim and Vol. 1 of The Walking Dead if I liked their adaptations way more than their sources?
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As I've said elsewhere, will my nerd card get revoked if I say after reading up to Vol. 4 of Scott Pilgrim and Vol. 1 of The Walking Dead if I liked their adaptations way more than their sources?
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The Scott Pilgrim movie is a lot of fun and good adaptation, but I like the fleshing out of the characters way more in the comics because well, they actually get fleshed out.
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