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I honestly felt he'd reached his breaking point with filing video reports that very likely were not being seen, not finding a solution to the problem he was working on and now his best sample for continuing his work was gone due to his error, so his growing his frustration and the knowledge that going out was not feasable brought him to a point where just giving was an attractive thought. Not that he would necessarily follow through, those sort of things ususally pass.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Basically I figured the whole point behind him becoming suicidal and saying "No, go away!" to the campers on his monitor is -precisely- because he knew he might have infected himself. The whole thing comes off as fairly confused if we the audience can't be sure which way to interpret what happened in the lab.
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I thought he just didn't want to take the responsiblity for the newcomers and the protocols for not breaking containment would be pretty ingrained in him.
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Sure he's frustrated, tired and lost his best sample to work on. Would that be enough to, right at that point, decide to kill himself? Maybe. But I think all those things PLUS the idea that he now managed to potentially infect himself would be the tipping point. He did mention sparing others from his "embarrassment". He's drinking wine (so presumably has plenty of food) and he seems to be safe from the Walkers. Why kill yourself right then unless there was a REAL reason to hurry up and do it more or less ASAP?|
Originally Posted by Baler
I honestly felt he'd reached his breaking point with filing video reports that very likely were not being seen, not finding a solution to the problem he was working on and now his best sample for continuing his work was gone due to his error, so his growing his frustration and the knowledge that going out was not feasable brought him to a point where just giving was an attractive thought. Not that he would necessarily follow through, those sort of things ususally pass.
I thought he just didn't want to take the responsiblity for the newcomers and the protocols for not breaking containment would be pretty ingrained in him. |
It's possible he was reluctant to break containment protocols, but he would have likely muttered to himself, "No, I can't let you in!" instead of, "No, go away!" if that was the only thing motivating him. It really was as if he was trying rationalize whether there was any point to letting them in because they would be no safer inside than out.
Frankly I think we are dealing with some confused editing and some uncertainty on the show's part which way they want to take this CDC guy motivation-wise.
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I think its because he knows he needs "Fresh Meat" to work on his experiments. His last culture was destroyed, and he needs more brain material to experiment on. He wanted them to go away, and new that if he let them in, then he'd be tempted to "experiment" on them. That's the feeling I got.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Basically I figured the whole point behind him becoming suicidal and saying "No, go away!" to the campers on his monitor is -precisely- because he knew he might have infected himself. The whole thing comes off as fairly confused if we the audience can't be sure which way to interpret what happened in the lab. |
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I thought they were trying to channel/homage a little Will Smith/"I am Legend".
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Originally Posted by Baler
I honestly felt he'd reached his breaking point with filing video reports that very likely were not being seen, not finding a solution to the problem he was working on and now his best sample for continuing his work was gone due to his error, so his growing his frustration and the knowledge that going out was not feasable brought him to a point where just giving was an attractive thought. Not that he would necessarily follow through, those sort of things ususally pass.
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Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
I think its because he knows he needs "Fresh Meat" to work on his experiments. His last culture was destroyed, and he needs more brain material to experiment on. He wanted them to go away, and new that if he let them in, then he'd be tempted to "experiment" on them. That's the feeling I got.
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Yeah it was clearly a "I am Legend" homage. I'm just making the point that he may be having a mental breakdown over the fact after everything else he might have just infected himself as well.
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I thought they were trying to channel/homage a little Will Smith/"I am Legend".
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Quiet American... You are not the only one (I guess you missed my earlier posts, hehe).
Still... this thread has been more entertaining to me
I stopped watching after Episode 2, however, I'm thinking I'll give the rest a shot again, so I've skimmed over most of the details people discuss here.
And... Lumi... now we see... this was all just a platform for your pro-farming propaganda!! 
I'm hesitant to comment on this (usually means I shouldn't bother), but...
St0ner... Pride in being one is what truly makes you one.
We all have the potential, but those of us who embrace our worst elements and resign ourselves to our faults, instead of focusing on overcoming them and improving... are an ugly nuisance, not only to others, but to themselves.
I've found that someone who considers themselves an *** applies a bit of a different definition for *** than others.
As though being an *** is more about being a tough guy, individual and seen by others as too much to contain.
Where the reality is... most others view an *** as someone to pitty, look down upon and/or someone who basically hates themselves so much, they've given up trying to convince (prove to) anyone else that they have redeemable qualities.
I'm not saying any of this to be mean or call anyone out. Not at all.
I honestly only post such things for the possibility that someone might find it helpful, useful or, at least, interesting.
Anyways...
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Theres a certain amount of depression that comes with isolation. Humans are by nature social creatures. Im sure people poo-poo the idea of breaking down because youre alone as something thats just insane but stress plus isolation is a strong source of despair. How long has he been the only one in that lab...? 120 days or more right?|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Sure he's frustrated, tired and lost his best sample to work on. Would that be enough to, right at that point, decide to kill himself? Maybe. But I think all those things PLUS the idea that he now managed to potentially infect himself would be the tipping point. He did mention sparing others from his "embarrassment". He's drinking wine (so presumably has plenty of food) and he seems to be safe from the Walkers. Why kill yourself right then unless there was a REAL reason to hurry up and do it more or less ASAP?
It's possible he was reluctant to break containment protocols, but he would have likely muttered to himself, "No, I can't let you in!" instead of, "No, go away!" if that was the only thing motivating him. It really was as if he was trying rationalize whether there was any point to letting them in because they would be no safer inside than out. Frankly I think we are dealing with some confused editing and some uncertainty on the show's part which way they want to take this CDC guy motivation-wise. |
Also, the isolationism could have been what prompted him to say "Go Away" like a hermit in the hills that secretely craves interaction but acts gruff to all outsiders. Thats a staple of science fiction and comics....
For the record I wouldnt be offended if you saw the truth for yourself about the researchers infection. Just make sure you come back and tell me Im correct...
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For the record I wouldnt be offended if you saw the truth for yourself about the researchers infection. Just make sure you come back and tell me Im correct...
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I did an internet search and no one that I could find has mentioned the scientist being exposed. So now I'm doubting myself. I don't like doubting myself, because I very much like to be right.
I'll just have to record it and see it again. I can't believe I'd make that all up in my head. And if I did then I love this show that much more for making my brain see things! 
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Sure he's frustrated, tired and lost his best sample to work on. Would that be enough to, right at that point, decide to kill himself? Maybe. But I think all those things PLUS the idea that he now managed to potentially infect himself would be the tipping point. He did mention sparing others from his "embarrassment". He's drinking wine (so presumably has plenty of food) and he seems to be safe from the Walkers. Why kill yourself right then unless there was a REAL reason to hurry up and do it more or less ASAP?
It's possible he was reluctant to break containment protocols, but he would have likely muttered to himself, "No, I can't let you in!" instead of, "No, go away!" if that was the only thing motivating him. It really was as if he was trying rationalize whether there was any point to letting them in because they would be no safer inside than out. Frankly I think we are dealing with some confused editing and some uncertainty on the show's part which way they want to take this CDC guy motivation-wise. |
We don't know he was actually about to top himself right then and there. And we don't know how much wine he'd had, who among us hasn't had a good drunken ramble about the inequities of life and had "the thought"?
Like the majority of the main characters in the show we know next to nothing about how he got to this point. And with CDC guy we've "known" him for less than 15 minutes. All the speculation is fun, and obviously the writers did something right since it's sparked such diverse takes. But we can only go with what was said in the episode. "[W]ould have likely..." doesn't enter into the discuss IMO. And I'm pretty certain the writers and producers had CDC guy's motivation pretty solidly in place months ago when they were filming.
Anyway, I'm gonna take the novel approach and wait to see where the show takes us in this (completely different direction from the comic? Been a while since I read them) turn of events. But tbh I'll be pretty disappointed if he conveniently got himself infected just before he gets company. I think it just might be the final, lazy, serve-the-plot convenience for me.
I just reviewed the parts with CDC guy from the last episode (I'm saving them on my DVR because my wife says that she will check it out at some point). He knocked over something in the dish with the brain tissue in it that caused a reaction. He then, stupidly, rubs his hand in the dish, maybe trying to see what the reaction is doing. He notices a corrosive effect on the outer glove and rips it off, to see the same effect on the inner glove, on the finger, it appears that the skin might have been showing through a bit. It was difficult to see. And then he runs out and gets decontaminated, and the computer destroys the sample. I took his statements to the camera to be despondence over having his work destroyed, and that he seemed to believe that he was the only person left and that any further actions would be futile. It seemed like he was surprised to see other people at all. At least that's my take on it. Also, I didn't notice a band aid or anything, but there could have been a little discoloration on his finger. Again, hard to see. I wouldn't rule out possible infection in the guy.
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Well frankly if we had to "swallow the pill" that Rick somehow managed to find is his family so quickly after waking up from his coma then sadly I think we have to accept that this show is willing to have other "highly convenient" deus ex machine moments like the CDC guy infecting himself just before he had visitors. Let's just say having that happen would not surprise me at this point. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Baler
Anyway, I'm gonna take the novel approach and wait to see where the show takes us in this (completely different direction from the comic? Been a while since I read them) turn of events. But tbh I'll be pretty disappointed if he conveniently got himself infected just before he gets company. I think it just might be the final, lazy, serve-the-plot convenience for me.
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Here's some of my thoughts on Dr. CDC.
1) Agree with Frogfather: I got the impression the guy was despondent from long isolation, feeling like he failed and possibly thinking he's the last person left alive.
2) I don't think he infected himself. Whatever that stuff was he spilled was VERY corrosive and he didn't seem to be in pain, so I don't think it burned his skin.
3) As to why he said "Go away," well, I believe anything we can come up with for that is pure speculation. Anyway, my pure speculation is that he has something to hide. I'm guessing that he maybe killed someone to keep them from leaving and possibly letting zombies in. Or he killed someone to extend the food supply (not cannibalism, just fewer mouths to feed). Or maybe...maybe...TS-19 (the destroyed tissue sample) was from someone he infected before and he's afraid he'll do it again, or that he'll be found out.
4) From #3...why *is* the CDC empty except for this guy? I'm guessing there are at least a few hundred people who work there, counting all the scientists, clerical staff, maintenance, etc. It seems that SOME of them should still be there. More than just Dr. CDC, I would think.
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If Dr. CDC was suicidal because of isolation (your point #1) then why would he want obvious non-zombie humans to go away when they showed up on his doorstep? You'd think such a person's first reaction would be to let them in even if it went against quarantine protocol. Clearly something's not adding up here.|
Originally Posted by sleestack
Here's some of my thoughts on Dr. CDC.
1) Agree with Frogfather: I got the impression the guy was despondent from long isolation, feeling like he failed and possibly thinking he's the last person left alive. 2) I don't think he infected himself. Whatever that stuff was he spilled was VERY corrosive and he didn't seem to be in pain, so I don't think it burned his skin. 3) As to why he said "Go away," well, I believe anything we can come up with for that is pure speculation. Anyway, my pure speculation is that he has something to hide. I'm guessing that he maybe killed someone to keep them from leaving and possibly letting zombies in. Or he killed someone to extend the food supply (not cannibalism, just fewer mouths to feed). Or maybe...maybe...TS-19 (the destroyed tissue sample) was from someone he infected before and he's afraid he'll do it again, or that he'll be found out. 4) From #3...why *is* the CDC empty except for this guy? I'm guessing there are at least a few hundred people who work there, counting all the scientists, clerical staff, maintenance, etc. It seems that SOME of them should still be there. More than just Dr. CDC, I would think. |
I'm willing to accept that something's "fishy" about the whole situation surrounding Dr. CDC and hopefully we'll get some reasonable answers in the next episode.
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Well I will say that one of the things that bugs me is the convienience of no zombies around for "important" yet long-winded scenes. But I just re-read the first TPB (forgot I even bought it) and the book was guilty of this as well. I bring this up because like Sleestack, I too wondered where the rest of the CDC staff was. I would assume a couple of them were the "fresher samples", but one guy was able to clear the CDC to a level that he could move around? I want him on my team! Until he turns into a zombies from the acid/contagion cocktail that I dreamed up.
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I think he, as a member of the CDC, may feel guilty about the spread of the zombie plague and the appearance of other people just throws that into sharper relief. He was complaining about feeling isolated, but maybe he likes to feel isolated, rather than stare the guilt of being a survivor in the face. Survivor's guilt, y'know? |
Originally Posted by Lothic
If Dr. CDC was suicidal because of isolation (your point #1) then why would he want obvious non-zombie humans to go away when they showed up on his doorstep? You'd think such a person's first reaction would be to let them in even if it went against quarantine protocol. Clearly something's not adding up here.
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Gotta love suicidal guys in underground bunkers who find the will the live when others show up and proceeds to switch on a light
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Sorry Lumi, but I have home-canned food from about 5-6 years ago that is still good. It all depends on the quality of the canning process and the quality of the containers as well as the item being canned. Glass jars will last longer, in terms of storage time not in terms of durability, than a cheap can. I've had different types of soda last for different lengths of time. The lighter-colored, non-cola-based ones tend to last the longest, with the cola-based ones eating through the can relatively quickly.| Long-term survival depends primarily on your location. In the show, the group is scavenging supplies from Atlanta. This gives them approximately 18 months of available food, minus however long they were there before Rick joined them. That's the average shelf life of canned food, 18 months. Some is only good for a year, some is good for 3-5, and there have been examples of canned food still being edible and bacteria-free for as long as 46 years, but a good average is 18 months. After that, they'll start to run out of readily available food and have to resort to what the land provides, even if they've been supplementing their canned food with fish, game and edible plants. |
Anecdotal, I know. :/
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Based on the previews for next week, I bet we get some backstory for the CDC.
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Well I will say that one of the things that bugs me is the convienience of no zombies around for "important" yet long-winded scenes. But I just re-read the first TPB (forgot I even bought it) and the book was guilty of this as well. I bring this up because like Sleestack, I too wondered where the rest of the CDC staff was. I would assume a couple of them were the "fresher samples", but one guy was able to clear the CDC to a level that he could move around? I want him on my team! Until he turns into a zombies from the acid/contagion cocktail that I dreamed up.
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Same thing that happened to the people in the first farm house that Rick encounters on his way to Atlanta. Taking the express lane out of this life. I could easily see the researchers, who are human after all, doing so. Or they might've decided that they would rather be with their families and headed off like Random Family did. Or they just didn't get to the lab before things went kaput and/or they were the Sunday Brunch.
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Originally Posted by PowerStream
Well I will say that one of the things that bugs me is the convienience of no zombies around for "important" yet long-winded scenes. But I just re-read the first TPB (forgot I even bought it) and the book was guilty of this as well. I bring this up because like Sleestack, I too wondered where the rest of the CDC staff was. I would assume a couple of them were the "fresher samples", but one guy was able to clear the CDC to a level that he could move around? I want him on my team! Until he turns into a zombies from the acid/contagion cocktail that I dreamed up.
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I'm starting to have a vague feeling that after I watch the next episode I'm going to conclude that they really needed about 10-12 episodes to properly tell the story that they crammed down to 6. There are just enough rushed plotholes here and there that are raising too many questions for me. With a bit more time I think they could have fleshed out (pun intended) some of these spots and made the story flow a bit more smoothly. Time will tell of course.
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Darabont has said that they did rush things because they had no idea they would be renewed.
That's why half the camp went with Glenn in to Atlanta and were introduced then.
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That's the best you can do? Weak attempts to redirect the heat with grade school insults? I expect better in an argument. I demand better. If you're going to insult me, do me the courtesy of being clever, or at the very least, less unoriginal and predictable.
I'm not an expert. I would never refer to myself as an expert. I'm functionally incapable of thinking of myself as an expert, in any aspect of my life. I certainly didn't give any indication that I would call myself an expert, or want anyone to address me as such. Nor have I implied that I know everything. More than you? Yes, based on your own admissions and unintentional revelations when you were posturing, but everything? Quite the opposite, in fact, I stated that no-one, not even experts, know everything or can prepare for everything, thus the need for companions. But I am capable. I had to learn survival skills to take care of myself, and if I weren't at least moderately competent, I'd already be dead several times over, from exposure, starvation, injuries. Mom has a basement now? Good for her. I haven't seen any of my family in over fifteen years, so I wasn't sure how they were getting along. |
He rips off a glove to reveal a bubbling glove underneath it. Then runs to the decon shower and you can see both of his hands still with gloves on. The water/solution would have diluted the compound pretty quickly, likely without the stuff being a problem.
I didnt see a band aid on his hand when he was drinking.
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