Discussion: What's your Origin?
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Acroyear2,
Posted on: 2010-10-20 11:38 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I know this was from a few pages back, but I wanted to comment on a few things about this quote, particularly the parts in bold.|
That's not true. Issue 19 and probably 20 include content that do not require Going Rogue. More tip missions, merged Trains, inspirations in every hospital, 2 free auras, Calvin Scott Task force in oroborous, One brand new story arc for each side, alternate power animations, inherent fitness, the ability to log out to character select, and new badges are ALL FREE. |
I haven't seen any official mention of those parts of i19/20 anywhere on the boards. How do we know about them?
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This pack rocks, can't wait to buy it.
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Well, hmm. They just had some (small) layoffs, and they're now releasing more stuff that costs money. Maybe they are, in fact, hard-up for cash.
I don't much care; I like the auras, I can afford them, I'll probably get them. Haven't done the party pack, because it's not appealing enough to me -- I don't spend much time emoting, I spend a lot of time having my characters go around in costume. 
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They're aiming these at players who don't mind spending the equivalent of a movie ticket, six pack or frozen pizza to spruce up their characters, not people who think ten bucks constitutes a "pile of money".|
Originally Posted by Acroyear2
Not every player of CoH has a pile of money to spend on these overpriced Booster Packs.
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Opt in, opt out, your choice.
But please don't pretend the price tag represents some kind of undue financial burden.
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Here a booster I will buy. Not the lame one like last time. Now if they will bundle this with the party pack this would be perfect.
/signed for purchase
Hated party pack, didn't buy. Loving this one, will buy.
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Exactly, I regularly eat out at least once a week and my meal costs $13 - $18 depending on what I get. I can easily afford a once every few month pack for $10.00.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
They're aiming these at players who don't mind spending the equivalent of a movie ticket, six pack or frozen pizza to spruce up their characters, not people who think ten bucks constitutes a "pile of money".
Opt in, opt out, your choice. But please don't pretend the price tag represents some kind of undue financial burden. |
And yes I'll be buying this one.
I saw some aura's and capes I want.
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The devs mentioned it at the NYCC panel.
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Originally Posted by Citizen_Razor
I know this was from a few pages back, but I wanted to comment on a few things about this quote, particularly the parts in bold.
I haven't seen any official mention of those parts of i19/20 anywhere on the boards. How do we know about them? |
@Golden Girl
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Compared to the price of extras in most other subscription-based games, the previous super boosters were underpriced. Regardless, though, to me whether its worth it is about how much of the pack is useful. While I use Secondary Mutation and occasionally zap someone with Mystic Fortune, they had zero impact on my buying those packs. Ninja Run is the only "power I couldn't live without" that has ever been in a pack.
In the end, its all about the costume pieces, because while I might use an emote when I'm bored, the costume pieces are what I will derive hours of enjoyment from when I clothe and look at my characters. While it is solely my opinion, with no facts to back it up, I think this is also true of most people who buy these packs. The additional content is just fluff with limited use.
So, I think $10 is a suitable price for this pack, if you're going to make use of most of its content. It's worth more to me than the Science Super Booster, which I've ended up having almost no use for anything included in it. I'll be buying it.
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Like the party pack, this one is overpriced for what it offers, compared to previous $10 boosters. I will be taking yet another pass.
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Like GG mentioned, It was from the NYCC CoH Panel.|
Originally Posted by Citizen_Razor
I know this was from a few pages back, but I wanted to comment on a few things about this quote, particularly the parts in bold.
I haven't seen any official mention of those parts of i19/20 anywhere on the boards. How do we know about them? |
Discussed in this thread and this thread.
Thank you for the time...
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$10? *wince and intake-breath hiss through clenched teeth*
I was hoping for something more like 6-8. I'm not one of those folks who gets inspired by the sight of new costume pieces, so I might hold off on it.
If I weren't running a slightly older computer that can't do Ultra Mode (and, as a result, can't enjoy the Impervium Mantle), it'd be a little less up in the air for me. But I think I might wait until I'm sure I'd get some use out of it.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.
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Just a couple of quick things of note, to me, about what you've said...|
Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
So let me get this right:
5 Capes 10 Auras (Technically 20 if you count Always-on and Combat separate Auras) All available starting at Character Creation and for all pre-20 (Capes) or pre-30 (Auras) existing Characters. For $10 US? I'd say that it's a reasonable offer. If it was just that they unlocked normally, then I'd say no. I would then say this pack would then be worth between $6 - $8 US to me. It is worth noting that while I do plan on purchasing this pack, it's not without reservations. I think the overall value, per Booster/Pack, has been falling off over the last three (GRCC, Party, Origin). I believe the real issue isn't the Quality (save the Stealth power in the GRCC), but what the overall value given. Generally, what the playerbase expects for a $10 US Booster/Pack has been:
Now with the GRCC Pack, we got most of that, save a rather crappy temp power, for less than usual (about $7 US, IIRC...) Booster/Pack cost. It's not bad, but I hope that Marketing doesn't consider that the new base line. I have expressed my displeasure with the Value of the Party Pack in several of the official and non-official threads. I don't feel I need to bring it up again here. That said, while the quality of the emotes is wonderful, I can not see myself purchasing this particular Pack ever. Now with the Origin Pack, we have a quandary. This Pack doesn't fit under the usual item amounts of a typical pack. So how to measure it's value? What we are getting is:
It's the last item that brings up the overall Value of this Pack, to me. The majority of my Characters that would use the Auras are mainly 25 or lower. As I have a nasty case of Altitis, I'd say that using some of these Auras on those characters is gonna be a nice thing. I just worry as to what the future of the Booster/Pack givings are going to be. I think a better balance of what gets put into a Booster/Pack and what is delivered in a Issue release might want to be looked at in better detail. Thank you for the time... |
I'm not sure what your issue with the GRCC pack is. It comes with a bunch of terrific stuff and was for a low price. I think it was a great purchase (I actually picked up the GRCC when it went live, as I did not pre-purchase, but still... that seemed to be a great deal).
Also, not only have all booster capes and auras (Cyborg combat auras) granted those options at character creation, the Alpha and Omega auras from the GRCC are available from character creation. So, that aspect of the Origins Pack is not a new/unique feature to it.
So, yeah, I'm not disagreeing with your overall assessment of the Origins Pack, but I just saw a couple of things that I thought were incorrect and/or I disagreed with.
It's funny... what is a couple of dollars? However, I do feel like $10 is higher than it should be.
It was just assumptions by others (And I didn't think of it until others said it in the previous (unofficial) thread) about how "Super Boosters" cost $9.99 and regular "Packs" would cost $7.99.
Obviously, those were incorrect assumptions.
What is sad is... that made sense!
I guess it didn't make enough cents though!
BP, that's the problem with you marketing peoples... Your brains are full of cents and lack sense.
Still... I recognize that I cannot go down the street to another store and buy myself an Impervium Mantle Cape cloak thing garment apparel shoal.
So... we'll see
All in all... I like this pack.
When I judge it against the previous packs and their prices... it's over-priced...
However... What do we buy that stays the same price?
So... the cost of Boosters/Packs have gone up.
The GRCC was a unique and kind offering (Perhaps to appease those who complained about not being able to prepurchase the CC version).
The cost of packs has gone up...
And instead of making $15+ boosters... they are putting less in them and keeping the price the same.
Like King Size Snickers Bars...
They made them smaller, but charged the same price, because the costs of making them went up.
C'est la vie!
Also... why not just put these live tomorrow?
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
I had nothing to do with GG's addendum to my post.
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All I meant in my reply was that you nailed it, displayed how much there is in Issue 19 that was not tied to GR and that I fully supported that stance and appreciated your post.
Instead of saying that... I quoted GG's comment and paraphrased Monty Python in an attempt to be silly.
Perhaps my intentions were not clear, heehee!
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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
No, thanks. I already get paid in gum.
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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$10 is less than the cost of lunch or dinner at most sit down restaurants. I really don't get this "overpriced" point of view some people are claiming.|
Originally Posted by Acroyear2
Not every player of CoH has a pile of money to spend on these overpriced Booster Packs. Less content for more money equals no sale and unhappy customers. Why should I "be happy" about that?
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I don't have scads of money. I'm on disability and have very little money for things other than food and essentials. My entertainment budget is mostly taken up by this game and a couple books every other month. I'll be skipping the books and getting this pack. Happy to do it, and don't feel the price is unreasonable.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Originally Posted by Spatch
Like the party pack, this one is overpriced for what it offers, compared to previous $10 boosters. I will be taking yet another pass.
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To be fair... Different people in different situations and different locations can have a vastly different economic perspective.
Sure, some can say, "If such and such dollars is too much for them, then they shouldn't be forking over the money for ISP and monthly subscriptions"... however, every budget has its lines and every person has their own right to make their choices and their own perspectives on what is good, good enough and affordable.
Just because some people don't understand why such and such amount of dollars may or may not be a problem... Doesn't mean it is wrong, misinformed, ignorant or irresponsible.
We all have different lives and I'm not going to dismiss the value others place on any amount of money, no matter how different it may be from my own situation.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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There's a difference between saying they can't afford it, and it's overpriced. One is personal and can't be argued, the other implies a general condition for a large portion or a majority. Saying it's overpriced is what makes me blink.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
To be fair... Different people in different situations and different locations can have a vastly different economic perspective.
Sure, some can say, "If such and such dollars is too much for them, then they shouldn't be forking over the money for ISP and monthly subscriptions"... however, every budget has its lines and every person has their own right to make their choices and their own perspectives on what is good, good enough and affordable. Just because some people don't understand why such and such amount of dollars may or may not be a problem... Doesn't mean it is wrong, misinformed, ignorant or irresponsible. We all have different lives and I'm not going to dismiss the value others place on any amount of money, no matter how different it may be from my own situation. |
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
This is definitely a must buy for me. Can't wait!
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Well, I actually said in a previous post that, compared to the previous boosters, it was over-priced.|
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
There's a difference between saying they can't afford it, and it's overpriced. One is personal and can't be argued, the other implies a general condition for a large portion or a majority. Saying it's overpriced is what makes me blink.
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However, I did then go on to say that, perhaps, instead of that, the cost has simply gone up, so they are putting less into them and charging the same price.
To each their own!
(And two for me!)
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
$10 is not that a big deal. Cost of a movie. I've gotten all the booster packs (except goofy emotes - that one doesn't count), and no regrets, except when I flip through the gloves and see the rubber lab ones - ew! Ya gotta love having options that are unique! Like cloaks. (First toon I ever created years ago I wanted a cloak for, and was floored there wasn't anything like it. How could this game NOT have a cloak?!) And what did I ever do before I had the female tuxedo from the wedding pack? I can work that on almost any toon, sexy half-demon with fish nets, to goofy kid with shorts and oversized top hat. Heck, I even like the mutant pack, and according to the forums NO one likes the mutant pack! (But all those swirly bits in white on an ice toon? Red on a fire toon? It's great stuff!)
But then... THIS pack. Seriously? It's got a couple cute things (steam jets out of the elbows!), but it's just the same ol', same ol'. It's capes and auras. *yawn* With nothing new or different about any of them, except those magic aura ones, which, honestly, I want to see with maybe a dark armor and dual pistols toon, teamed with a sonic defender, so I can watch my computer screen melt in front of my eyes (for which I will be grateful, as personal eyes melting would surely be next).
So, this will be the first booster pack I pass on. I never, ever criticize (till now), but honestly, in all the discussions and 50+ pages of ideas people have posted the various threads of All Things Art, I do not recall seeing anyone say "I'd love to see a cape that looks pretty much like the feathers one, but with leaves and bit of texture. THIS and THIS ALONE would make ALL my costume dreams come true!" Or, "Please, oh, please, give me elbow poots, please?" (And the leaf cape and elbow poots are the only pieces I like in this booster) This is stuff I can find a half dozen other things to use that I already have, to produce the exact same effect. Well, maybe not the poots....
Guys, you say you are listening. Then toss us a butt cape! Thigh high boots with texture! Aloha shirts! A belt with a scabbard! A shirt with poofy sleeves! Heck, at this point, a shoulder parrot would make me faint with joy! (*sob* You DO care! A parrot I have nowhere to use! It's so... *sniff* BEAUTIFUL!")
Sorry your encylopedic memory is failing you eeek, but I for one specifically remember asking for an aura that uses the Steamjet effect from Self destruct, and I know if I didn't suggest leafy or shiny metal capes myself, I remember seeing someone else had.
Besides, it's not always about what specifically one of us asked for. These are creative people with their own ideas. None of the things I see for this pack are in and of themselves bad or poorly done.
Sorry you just seem to be complaining the pony is the wrong shade of pink and the sparkles it leaves behind should be star shaped.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
So some of us will buy it and some won't, same ol' thread.
Since tossing in one's opinion seems to matter here I'm on the fence, but leaning towards doing it, depending on the price. Ten bucks really ain't nothin'...
Assuming all the auras have the same variablity that other auras have(full body, torso,
eyes, etc), this may be the first pack I've felt all-around useful enough to be worth
buying.
I share some of the other posters' concerns at the nickel-and-diming trend of late,
though, OTOH, and voting with my wallet is the only way to make a statement on
that. I'm afraid of seeing more utter dreck like the party crapsack in the future, and
what that'll mean for the game, if we keep buying bargain packs at premium prices.
Hrrrm. Tough call.