How will the Incarnate system work for the "Undesirables?"
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Posted on: 2010-10-06 11:17 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
There are powers/combos that people shun?
Oh, right, peacebringers >.>
I think the only people who *actually* know at this point are under the NDA. My suspicion is that it won't affect people's preferences much. In many cases people's preferences are often based on stupid things anyway, hence people begging for only for certain ATs/powers (as kind of the opposite extreme).
The "playerbase" that does that is consisted of idiots. No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.
I like M_B's response. It's dismissive of the poorly thought out original post in exactly the right way.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The "playerbase" that does that is consisted of idiots.
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Not any team that I've been on.. Including Master runs.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I mean look at the RSF/STF/BSF now. Teams are highly selective for these already, so it can be expected that tougher challenged will be even more selective.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The "playerbase" that does that is consisted of idiots.
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Amen
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I like M_B's response. It's dismissive of the poorly thought out original post in exactly the right way.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The "playerbase" that does that is consisted of idiots. No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.
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Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week.
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Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen it, although I'm not active on the TF channels, so maybe I've missed it. But I have seen occasional people declaring that they want particular roles, or don't want particular ATs... Occasionally. People make fun of them.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?
Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week. |
I guess I just view stuff like that the way I viewed people demanding "gearscore 5k+" in WoW -- they're helpfully telling me they are running a sucky group, and saving me the trouble of finding out.
Gearscore is why I quit and will never return to WoW.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?
Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week. |
On Pinnacle I see less of "need healer and tank for blahblahblah" than I do "Running X, room for two more, don't care what you bring." Maybe the drunks are smarter than those running around on the larger pop servers...
Be well, people of CoH.
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He didn't say that. He said, rightly so, that those people are idiots.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?
Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week. |
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I've had it done to me on a scrapper and they wanted a blaster. (Scrapper envy is an ugly ugly thing) That's why we are calling those that do that idiots.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?
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"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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The only TF I've EVER had troubles with because of team comp is STF, and that's only because melee heavy teams CAN'T kill ghost widow. Even then we might have been fine if we had better players. LRSF can be done with tanks, or lots of buffs, or dominators sleeping things, ITF can be done by whatever the hell you want.
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Huh, I never saw the big deal. I don't actually care about the idiots who are spamming channels with their ludicrous demands for what their groups should be like. I just get to know individual players and then I always have groups to play with. Worked in WoW, works in CoH.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Gearscore is why I quit and will never return to WoW.
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No one will argue that it actually happens. I think I've seen it once or twice on Liberty.
The issue is that people who run teams like that should be shot out of a cannon.
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Originally Posted by Durien
The only TF I've EVER had troubles with because of team comp is STF, and that's only because melee heavy teams CAN'T kill ghost widow.
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One melee keeps GW's aggro, stays out of her range and keeps moving backwards if necessary. The rest of the team dogpiles her. She won't try and heal of them because she is focused on the guy at range.
If you're known on a server then you shouldn't have a problem getting a team. My main is a stalker, I'm often invited to LRSFs, Cudas, Khans and STFs. And not to stealth/tp. I prefer to kill and I don't even HAVE TP right now.
Although I will say I have been told "we have one stalker, we don't want another" very early on. But I've also been told "I'd rather have anything but the Emp". Some team leaders will be set for/against certain ATs. Providing I find out before I join I don't care. What irritates me more is joining a team only to be told "well that powerset sucks" or "why do/don't you have x" because that's just bad manners on the team's part.
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I would expect incarnates to make for more corner solutions. I certainly don't envy Posi's task.
I wouldn't describe it as highly "Selective" just a symptom of a different problem. If I want to go on one of those I can pretty much do so anytime during primetime hours. When I see TFs requesting tank/healer or level 50s only I tend to avoid those. Tank/healer requests are usually a sign of a weak team leader and level 50 only reads "ludicrous speed" run with IO'ed characters. A speed run is fun in moderation, maybe 2 or 3 per week is ok. I usually ask the leader if the TF/SF is a speed run before I decide to join. Heck, these days its assumed to be a speed run unless the person says otherwise.
I know what you mean about Stalkers Test_Rat. I joking call them in my SG chat as forced solo mode. I keep a log on average time to get a team with LFG flag up. The numbers for a Stalker are just sad.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Just curious how the incarnate system will work for the ATs and the powerset combos that the playerbase shuns.
With its focus on harder group content, and requiring some of the tougher TFs to even get started in the system, how will people who are playing the unwanted toons get involved? I mean look at the RSF/STF/BSF now. Teams are highly selective for these already, so it can be expected that tougher challenged will be even more selective. If the Undesirables have great difficulty to get on these teams now, will have a harder time completing thier Incarnate slotting since they will be forced to use the solo grind methods, isn't it just a feedback loop where they fall farther and farther behind? |
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I've said it before, Test Rat, but really... you need to find better people to team with if you've honestly had people frequently turn X AT away. Now if I'm running an ITF and we have five Blasters, I might suggest getting something different might help, but that's it. I like making less common group combos work.
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Anyone that has ever done an all scrapper stf will tell you that this is wrong. Everytime I hear someone say this, I request that they go look up ghost widow on paragonwiki.com and get some true knowledge and never speak of this horrid myth ever again.
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Originally Posted by Durien
The only TF I've EVER had troubles with because of team comp is STF, and that's only because melee heavy teams CAN'T kill ghost widow. Even then we might have been fine if we had better players. LRSF can be done with tanks, or lots of buffs, or dominators sleeping things, ITF can be done by whatever the hell you want.
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"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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I know what you mean about Stalkers Test_Rat. I joking call them in my SG chat as forced solo mode. |
I NEVER have a LFT flag up. I stay hidden permanently. I get asked to join teams from my global friends list. They often suggest I bring my stalker. Far from 'forced solo mod', she's 'desirable damage dealing '.
I'll say this again; a good player is desirable on ANY AT. I don't care if you are IO'd out of the wazoo on the FotM, if you're a moron, I don't want you anywhere near a team I'm on.
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While I've seen it, doesn't mean it's EVERYONE who does it.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?
Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week. |
I've ran ITFs, STFs, LGTFs, ect...ect with less than "optimal" teams. It does happen. Possibly a bit more often on the Master of runs.
Doesn't mean those less than desired combos don't get invited.
Though for ITFs, I have to wonder...is it a level 35 PB that's being turned away for a level 50 Blaster? From what you've seen are they turning down what might be considered less than desirable combos due to level?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
The "playerbase" that does that is consisted of idiots. No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.
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Just curious how the incarnate system will work for the ATs and the powerset combos that the playerbase shuns.
With its focus on harder group content, and requiring some of the tougher TFs to even get started in the system, how will people who are playing the unwanted toons get involved?
I mean look at the RSF/STF/BSF now. Teams are highly selective for these already, so it can be expected that tougher challenged will be even more selective.
If the Undesirables have great difficulty to get on these teams now, will have a harder time completing thier Incarnate slotting since they will be forced to use the solo grind methods, isn't it just a feedback loop where they fall farther and farther behind?
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!