How will the Incarnate system work for the "Undesirables?"


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Originally Posted by Test_Rat View Post
So you are telling me that you have never seen someone recruiting for a LRSF/STF, say asking for "Damage" and turning away stalkers?

Never? What server do you play on, I gotta take note for the next free transfer week.

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I'll third it.

As I said, my main is a stalker and I've been refused a place on a team (ITF) precisely ONCE and that was when I first started playing. In fact the ITF I did earlier today, the guy who put it together SUGGESTED I grab my main not my VEAT/kin/myriad other alts.

I'll put a not to the "depends what you're known FOR" comment from CMA earlier. If you're known for running through the map, drawing aggro to your squishies and being about as much use to the team as a chocolate fireguard, that might be your problem in finding a team. I've always killed the nastiest thing, then stood and fought in melee like a scrapper.





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Originally Posted by Capa_Devans View Post
If they are in your SG, why aren't you teaming with them?
Everyone is blueside There is another player who runs on vside so I can duo. Otherwise I have to pug it if I want a team there.

Made my stalker a Rogue since you can actually get mission teams there.
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you made a mistake there. I think you meant to say "with" but accidentally typed "out of". Easy typo to make.
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Good to see that the COH community is as casual as ever.

As others have alluded to if the Incarnate Alpha slot (and boy oh boy what we saw leaked on test from the OHTER slots) works how it did in closed beta . . . no one has anything to worry about.


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It seems to mostly be blasters and stalkers that get left out.

Can anyone say with a straight face that a team of 6 def/cor/cont and 2 brutes/scrappers dont whip through content faster and easier than just about any other possible combination.


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Originally Posted by Shubbie View Post
It seems to mostly be blasters and stalkers that get left out.

Can anyone say with a straight face that a team of 6 def/cor/cont and 2 brutes/scrappers dont whip through content faster and easier than just about any other possible combination.
Yes...? (Grins)

But seriously, I am an ITF a holic, my usual broadcast over freedom badge/tf channels is "50 ITF Looking for Melee and Buffs/Debuffs PST" granted I do not care what level one 50 to lead is all that matters.


 

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This is why I feel blasters and stalkers will be left out. Blasters have a damage primary and secondary and Stalkers are somewhat innefective against Av's compared to a brute or scrapper.

Stacking buffs/debuffs is so effective it negates just about any other strategy.

Its not that its impossible to do things other ways, but if a team leader is faced with content they are unsure of winning.

The SUREST way to win is to stack buff/debuff.

The more sure the team leader is of success the more likely they will take Builds without secondary roles.


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It seems to mostly be blasters and stalkers that get left out.
Not off of teams that just want to have fun instead of get anal about how much dps/end/sec/xp/inf/min/cosX/waah they're doing.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Not off of teams that just want to have fun instead of get anal about how much dps/end/sec/xp/inf/min/cosX/waah they're doing.
We'll have to see how serious the devs are about making incarnate content challenging. If they make it challenging enough, those anal teams will be the only ones capable of actually doing the content.

But I don't see that happening. It would be too direct a blow against the core constituency that has kept CoX alive to date.


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We'll have to see how serious the devs are about making incarnate content challenging. If they make it challenging enough, those anal teams will be the only ones capable of actually doing the content.
No, they won't. Unless your definition of "actually doing the content" has an unspoken "within ten minutes" at the end of it, and frankly that's not something I tend to find fun.

They made the Alpha slot something that will be able to be gotten casually. Start from there.


 

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Just curious how the incarnate system will work for the ATs and the powerset combos that the playerbase shuns.

With its focus on harder group content, and requiring some of the tougher TFs to even get started in the system, how will people who are playing the unwanted toons get involved?

I mean look at the RSF/STF/BSF now. Teams are highly selective for these already, so it can be expected that tougher challenged will be even more selective.

If the Undesirables have great difficulty to get on these teams now, will have a harder time completing thier Incarnate slotting since they will be forced to use the solo grind methods, isn't it just a feedback loop where they fall farther and farther behind?
When you talk about Undesirables, what do you mean, because i never had any Issue with any of my toons right now, I can get on a team on any Arctype Combo, maybe you might be building Some toons wrong, i don't no why you having problems.


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Originally Posted by Jabbrwock View Post
We'll have to see how serious the devs are about making incarnate content challenging. If they make it challenging enough, those anal teams will be the only ones capable of actually doing the content.

But I don't see that happening. It would be too direct a blow against the core constituency that has kept CoX alive to date.
They said this about the incarnate at the panel, if you do not slot your incarnate slot, you will die alot in battle, it all about slotting the incarnate slot I guess.


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No, they won't. Unless your definition of "actually doing the content" has an unspoken "within ten minutes" at the end of it, and frankly that's not something I tend to find fun.

They made the Alpha slot something that will be able to be gotten casually. Start from there.
I dont consider grinding so hard and so long your brain actually melts from the heat to be casual.

And those that are undesirable tend to not be so great at map farming.


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I dont consider grinding so hard and so long your brain actually melts from the heat to be casual.
Then don't do that.
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And those that are undesirable tend to not be so great at map farming.
Right... because that's all there is to do in the game.


 

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Then don't do that.


Right... because that's all there is to do in the game.
Apparently, end game system + we recommend the alpha slot for doing the end game TFs = You must grind out and farm to hell and back in order to obtain it.


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Threads like this always seem to start up with the flawed thesis that the judgment of a random PUG leader recruiting via chat is the main determinant of whether or not characters of certain builds will be prevented from taking part in whatever content. It is just not the case.

People with SG's and communities of friends will run the content with each other regardless of the specific builds they have because they enjoy playing with each other.


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Everyone is blueside There is another player who runs on vside so I can duo. Otherwise I have to pug it if I want a team there.

Made my stalker a Rogue since you can actually get mission teams there.
Heck, I am in the process of making most of my villains rogues/heroes. Once I get them to 40+, do the Patron Arc and get the invader badge I wave bye bye to RI forever.

Redside is mostly AE begging in Cap and farming 53s in Grandville.
So the issue for you is actually about redside on your server, not ATs.


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Originally Posted by Biospark View Post
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This is why I love this game, and what will keep me here for a long time. As soon as the game becomes end-game, raid-centric advancement, I may not leave right away, but the writing will be on the wall at that point.
I agree !

And I worry a bit, Halloween/Banner event & the improved winter event made it look like CoX was getting very mass teamed focus, and were projects of war witch.
Then Cathrdal of Pain, though that one had to be mass team imo given its history.

I'm glad tip/moralty missions are so well solo balanced.

I hope the difference for getting the incarante slot via the special TFs compared with solo isnt as far as the difference between earning power of gaining reward merits in taskforce com vs Story arc.


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Honestly... if this is such a big problem on your server, move to a different one. As Memphis Bill said, that group is consisted of idiots.

Or, I dunno... start your own team?

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I don't even demand kins on my stone/stone brute.
This reminds me of a semi funny story, so an ITF is forming up, and we snag a stone tanker, who demands a kin. After several minutes of an argument about this going on, he quits.



Now, forward to when the TF ends.
We completed it with hardly any deaths, and a few minutes below an hour.



Honestly, I think he would've slowed us down.


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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
No, they won't. Unless your definition of "actually doing the content" has an unspoken "within ten minutes" at the end of it, and frankly that's not something I tend to find fun.

They made the Alpha slot something that will be able to be gotten casually. Start from there.
I have to wonder if you understood what I was saying.

I at no point meant to suggest that excluding all but the min-maxed teams was a good idea. I think it's a terrible idea. But if they put enough challenge into the content, they absolutely *CAN* exclude everything else. Or maybe I should have said "If they put too much challenge in the content. . ."

Regardless, I can't believe you honestly believe it is impossible for the devs to make content so hard that it requires a min-maxed team to complete. You may doubt their ability to do so accidentally, or their willingness to do so intentionally. I doubt those things too. The devs will almost certainly not *WANT* to make their new content that exclusive, and they shouldn't. It's not what the game is or has ever been about.


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I just hope the materials to build incarnate slotables are transferable.

Even though my stalkers are well built (Multi billion builds), and are better than 90% (Yes made up statistics, but I am confident) of the scrappers in the game, I just can't seem to get them on STFs and RSFs with any regularity.

People just rather take the SO scrapper than the Min/maxed IO stalker.
Its just reality.

So I hope that I can use my other "More acceptable" toons like my dom, my huntsman and my defender to farm materials so I can work on my perfered but hated stalkers.


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Even though my stalkers are well built (Multi billion builds), and are better than 90% (Yes made up statistics, but I am confident) of the scrappers in the game
That is okay because 63% of all quoted statistic are made up anyway.


 

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Originally Posted by FallenValkyrja View Post
That is okay because 63% of all quoted statistic are made up anyway.
And 87% of the rest are taken out of context.