Informal Art Poll

Option 2...IF!!!... a way of reorganizing the menu option isn't too hard to do (as in would delay this project of Davids by a few weeks). There is too much clutter already and I don't want it added to.

Option 1 otherwise. I want better detailed skin pieces ASAP, and I rather not wait any more than I have too just keep the Body Paint stuff...

David, keep in mind that people do mix and match the tights options to make dresses and the sort.

Option 2, please.

Looking at my partner's character's (he's only been playing about 9 months now), i see a distinct tendency to use the new stuff, unless his concept is golden/silver age - then he uses more of the legacy items.

Personally, i am for option one, as long as the updated textures are just updated textures and geometery does not change.

And as for the legacy tails, i have at least two characters that use them old, non-animated, tails, as the "tail" is part of the outfit, not part of the person. Any of my characters that actually have tails that are part of the person use the animated tails.

Also, put me down as another that wants sets completed (steam punk boots, a mask that matches tights shiney option, etc) as well.

I'd go with option 1. It's one thing on weapons where something actually changed, like weapon scale, but if you compare the issue 1 hair/faces to more current ones, it is a bit telling. Obviously changing these would have to preserve the old asthetic, but if you can use a higher resolution version it would help.

Oh, and while you're at it...can we get some of the glow mechanic on costumes/faces? I look at some coloring options lick 'lock' and 'circuits,' as well as some of the glassy-eyed 'supernatural' faces, and think that using the glow mechanic introduced on mutants would be nice. Perhpas the coloring could be introduced as a new option for tights? (i.e. tights>tights sleek> Tights glow)

*edit* One more thing: PLEASE re-evaluate the color white. In 'tops with skin.' It has a flesh hue, even when used on a non-caucasian skinned character. It looks tackier still on caucasian characters, like they're dressed in tissue paper. On other costume items, white is a light grey and not white at all.

Personally I'd prefer you take into account computer speeds etc. before making the decision to update them. If a really large number of people are still using old computers, removing the low rez stuff might leave them only with newer pieces that look crappy on their machines.

That said, I personally prefer the replacement method. Just don't take anything out unless you're putting in something very similar: for instance, there's only one male ponytail option, so if that got taken out there would be no more ponytails period. Having your character suddenly lose the hairstyle they've had for 4 years with nothing that looks very similar left to replace it would suck tremendously.

Option 2, please! That updated tank top may look more realistic with creases, but I may like the smooth one we have now in some cases. I'd prefer to have more choices than lose a look I have now and really like.

Also, thanks for letting us chime in!

Reading though, I'd actually lean towards Option #2 now. I hate to diminish people's creative options and the simple fact is when you remove things (even for supposed better things) you're doing just that. In the case of the low-res head wings, they might make shoddy looking wings compared to the high-res option but they make better looking fins for fish characters or ridges for reptilian characters, etc. I'm always interested in how people creatively work the costume options and taking options away from them just seems like a bad move.

I vote for option 1. I see this way to much on my male characters particularly with hair styles and facial hair styles. Most of the low res items for any part of the body just clash horribly with the newer stuff.

I vote for option 1, but with a caveat: Improve whole-texture pieces, but please do not transform "pattern clothes" into entire textures. Let me explain:

Any costume piece which is an entire, full texture or even more a specific geometry shape with a single texture associated to it should be improved and its legacy version discarded, in my opinion. New items should always replace the item they are intended to improve on. Only if the item is significantly different should a legacy version be retained.

Any costume piece which is a PATTERN (i.e. colour mask), be it just a basic pattern or a piece used in Tights with Skin should be preserved AS A PATTERN. I don't want to walk into the game one day and realise that the Sports Bra pattern has been transformed into the Sports Bra texture with stitching and creases and suchforth. If it was a pattern before the changes, it should be improved to be a higher-resolution sharper-line pattern after the changes. If an actual texture is made, it should be added as an extra option.

Just as an example, I have a high dislike for the female Tank Top costume piece right now, because although it's a good piece, it's a full texture swap, which made it one of the items that couldn't be used when I was experimenting with a more muscular texture. Keep patterns as patterns, and do add to them, please.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

In general, I'm up for option 1, because leaving low-res textures in the game is going to look jarring, and people with lower-end machines won't realize how ugly they've made their characters look. We already have this problem, to some extent; some of the textures look like they go well together, if you're on a low-end machine, and they just don't.

But I do have at least two characters that use a non-animated tail, because it's supposed to be part of the costume, not something growing out of their bodies; girls dressed up like cats, not anthropomorphic females. So that may have been a bad example.

P.S. My first choice would be "none of the above." My first choice would be to redirect the art department towards making new environments and re-detailing the oldest environments. We have nearly a thousand costume parts, but only about a dozen types of zones.

Option 1. There are a bunch of legacy pieces that I would never consider using with anything more recent, because the relative textures make my characters look like they're mixing clothes with body paint. The fact that I'm not building Stripperella makes this less than ideal, and removes a large number of options from my palette. I'd love updated versions of a lot of the pieces, both male and female.

I'm going to go with option 1, myself. The older parts are ugly, and the costume editor is a mite cluttered as it is. We don't need to double the options with all those old legacy textures. All the faces were altered slightly for City of Villains, and although people complained, in practice I just have not seen a practical difference.

Really, the only problem with some of the revisions have been when the new costume piece is significantly different than the old version. The old suit jackets had a different "build" to the body than the new jackets, and people still miss the old thigh-high boots. If the textures are going to look exactly the same, just with higher resolution, by all means, replace.

We need some matte versions of the new reflective textures, though, especially the ones that are extremely reflective. I had at least one costume go wierd on me, because Tech Sleek went from mildly metallic-looking to ZOMG SHINY. That would be an example of the new pieces being noticeably different from the old ones.

Ordinarily I'd really go with "replace everything and take the yucky old pieces out"... but sometimes the "new" pieces are ugly and don't work well for what the old piece was being used for. So, I'm torn.

As far as the tank top goes... you know, I'd say replace all the "painted on" pieces for sure, but don't automatically replace them with something that looks wrinkled and curled and weird. Not everyone wants their heroes to be wearing ill-fitting clothing!

if it's just a clean up job I say option 1

I'd kinda like to see the differance tho, I'm visually based so, if theres a way to see some peices before and after so i can see the differances

How about adding a Legacy Tailor contact to a specific Icon/Facemaker location (or to all such locations); move all the old school pieces there for minimized menu clutter.