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I've got one friend who wishes it would, although he also believes that the fallout from that would make ED look like a day in the park. Something along the lines of the devs could stop cheating so much due to massively buffed players with their massive debuff capabilities trivializing designs that don't cheat.

edit: I'll have to ask him his reasoning again later on... its been a while.

So...it made min/maxing more of a 'challenge' for a very small percentage of the game population, while making it a pain in the rear for everyone else, consumed three power slots and an entire 1 of the 4 power pools your allowed per char.

I...it....
*shrug*

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

"All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others." ~ George Orwell.

Without the quote; define 'right'. Because I can guarentee someone else will disagree with that one person will call 'right'.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Well the reason I think its necessary is:

• New players don't know they will need to take stamina and don't have veteren respecs either.
• Fitness powers, especially swift and health are extremely boring and while Vets might be used to it, its not good for the game to have such choices. Every choice a player makes should be exciting.

Don't know what AT's you are playing but on my Controllers there are PLENTY of interesting powers I could take instead of Fitness. Most of my characters tend to end up being backloaded, and not really fleshing out until their 20's.

[quote]Second, I predict Stamina will inherently unlock at 20, which won't do anything to speed up gameplay in the early levels of the game. [quote]

This isn't known yet, if they are making it inherent they could easily add it at 10, or 15. If I was advising them, I would advise them to just that.

I'm willing to bet like brawl and rest, they will be slotted. Also reducing their effectiveness goes against the whole reason to make them inherent in the first place, so its highly unlikely. Also the devs aren't dumb, they know people slot up their fitness powers with Miracle's, Performance Shifter's, etc.

Don't panic! :-)

Define "right." Because I think your naysaying on this issue is perhaps not the right thing for those impressionable devs to read.

Min/Max'ing is double edged. While it can be very rewarding and a lot of fun, it also means that the devs can never really address you without screwing over their "average" players (and I'd imagine they can figure out what the "average" player can handle better than we can). The whole bell-curve thing, you know? Even if all the play levels are equally proportioned (really need help, average, don't need any help MAKE IT HARDER), this will still help 2/3rd of the game.

I just don't thinking listening to people who don't know how to play the game, benefits anyone. I wish they'd listen to pvper's, I wish they'd listen to base builders.... or even badgers.

The forums create a new kinds of bad suggestions, that the devs actually follow. I'm sorry, but fitness as an inherent....

The "right forum posts" being any that you agree with?
Eh, i don't see Fitness as necessary, but i will admit that most of my alts do end up taking it. As long as they're still slottable i'll manage to cope with Fitness powers becoming inherents.

Any news about the emote pack or tweaks to Gravity Control and Trick Arrows? <.<

lrn2play what?

City of Heroes is already easy. No reason for it to be easy and tedious.

The thing about the Fitness pool is that it's super super boring. Every other pool gives me something I can use - a click or a toggle - that does something interesting. The Fitness pool just enhances my base stats passively. Not very exciting. Getting to level 20 and thinking, "I have to take Stamina," makes me not excited about getting to level 20. Taking any other power from any other pool does. So I think there's more than one reason to make it inherent.

You keep repeating the same line but aren't reading the counterpoints offered. I have stated twice already that one of the main reasons is obviously to help new players who don't realise they will most likely need stamina. I ain't going to rewrite my whole post for you though.

Sorry, "the right" was my mistake :P I just hate how this game is gravitating towards rp (party pack) and catering towards being easy.

I'd love a grav change (non emote), and lolta.

You seem to think that this change is pandering to the players rather than removing an admitted flaw with the game's original design.

they do.


=)

New players don't know that travel can be easy either, inherent travel powers. Or that they can be non-squishy, inherent fighting powers.

You object to the idea of a power-pool and slot-sink? But gold...er... money sinks and time sinks are so popular!

I'm very curious to see if taking Fitness out of the equation will lead to more interesting builds coming up. I know it seems like I'm a freak sometimes because I've got a Blaster with Presence

Geez... I'd love to see more Power Pools (if they were good additions, mind you) to help mix things up further.

I think you are grasping at straws with that comparison to Stamina.

It was admitted to being a flaw?

Hrm... that'd be a brutal schedule. I'd say that 1st or 2nd quater 2011 seems more reasonable for me.

I think I am the only one opposed to this, so I'll bow out.

Just wish the pvp concerns could be fixed in the same timely manner. (couple of years, been about the same)

Yeah. I'm not sure what all these arguments are about inherent fitness making the game easier. If anything it's going to make it slightly harder for me -- having to figure out what 3-4 powers to fill in those power picks with, and figuring out how I'm going to get slots to use them.

Giving us fitness for free doesn't make the game easier, it just makes it less mechanical. I already take Swift on EVERY character between 6 and 12, and Health at 14-18, and Stamina at 20. Those are not interesting or fun power picks. I'm burning 3 power choices by 20 just to get something to control my endurance.

And because I can't control my endurance (especially if I'm running on TOs and DOs), I also have to put off toggles and other expensive powers. So basically the 1-22 ride is really boring on every character, and why a lot of people rush up to 22 or so. I'd like to actually take the level 20 power at 20. I'd like to take the 16 and 18 powers at the levels they unlock at instead of devoting one of those slots to Health. I'd like to actually take active powers in the early levels instead of a ton of prereqs. Most of the reason I love NR is because it doesn't fill my character up with prereqs and necessary power picks.

My only question is if I get Hurdle for free or if I'll have to somehow pick it. I only rarely take Hurdle on any characters. If I get it free that's pretty cool. Almost all my toons use NR and CJ, so jumping higher and faster will speed me up.

I also worry about slots, especially in the early levels, but not that much. Right now taking Swift at 6 might be boring, but at least I can use my slots at 7 for something else. I can't now though.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I'll have to track down the quote for you, but as far as I can remember, yes it was. I seem to remember the gist of it was that people were supposed to be able to build characters as freely as possible, and so creating any power so mindbogglingly across-the-board useful that people felt they HAD to take it was a mistake. The question was whether changing it at this stage wouldn't make for more problems.