Roleplay, Plots and the World.

To point out in regards to the space station issue, Gregarin Station has been mentioned once or twice as existing in canon.

Mr and Mrs Sinclair dropped by thier on their way to Armstrong Moon Base for their hooneymoon (Which if it has honeymoon swuits means it could possibley have a tourist industry).

So my bet is there's a lot of space stations up there actually, Longbow (Or rather Freedom Corps) might even have one, all Libby would have to do is ask gramps to doa bit of lifting for her after all.

This thread seems to have derailed in to Galaxy Girl roleplayers vs Cactus Brawler and every other roleplayer who doesn't subscribe to the GG way of thinking.

I choose not to go to GG, or get involved with any GG plots, therefore not one of your 'shared' events appears in any of my characters 'realities' on the Union server. There seems to be two separate communities here, Galaxy Girl and everyone else. I suggest they stay separate as they obviously don't get along, seeing as almost all the posts against CB seem to be from that quarter, even though he's CHANGED his plot so that they don't have to become involved now!

CB is a GG'er also.

I think this discussion has derailed enough yes...

I just want to add that there is one biiig problem still there... FFM says that villains always lose. As it is a comic book world. But thoise are NPC's. And even then they always come back. Even Dr. Doom has been believed dead so many times I don't have enough fingers.

Elizabeth is my main... and although I am prepaired to take her out of action for any lenghth of time that suits me too... (only if the plot doing that is good enough)... I am not going to kill her permanent. Just as FFM will not let Liz kill Ellie. And I will always rp a loophole for the hero to escape or be needed somewhere else if I can... Or Elizabeth to sacrifice anyone (NPC) to escape if need be.

Villains who are player characters have the same amount of untouchability as the player heroes! That makes rp hard I know. But the Open Season plot is made for old toons to be destroyed... be they heroes or villains. Those will die in the plot. Just before deleting or change. So this plot has real casualties..!

@Fanservice... I made Liz strong enough to have a chance against Statesman and the likes... I dont think she would win in a comic book fight. But she, as big powermad villain, believes she can. Just as Dr. Doom thinks he can kill Spider-Man if he has to. I never had her fight him ic yet.. I have had a fast escape from the Freedom Phalanx in a US (Patches) topic and done completely believable. You might want to check that piece. It is a nice one.

None of my villains or heroes are top level aside of Liz. As the creator of one of the biggest SG's on Union... and only leader ever since te tart... As a purple slotted lvl 50... I made her Dr. Doom/Kingpin/Magneto level. And I believe I walk that line ok. But if you want to check... read up on the rp on the forums she is in. Don't take my word for it.

No offense Liz, but I can't stand vampires, and my chars would off one without a seconds hesitation.

Vampires are quite probably the crappiest villains ever.

Hell I'm not even on the Union server. I'm mainly a forum-RP type of person, and my forum RP style is FINALLY starting to develop into some form of actual RP. I just happened to drop into this thread and read up on it, and felt like I should voice what could have been taken as reasonable solutions to such a massive, wide-scale event.

Granted there's been a few that have rebutted my suggestions. Of course there's always going to be someone that's going to argue against such compromises. Also, just about EVERYONE has made a valid point on the subject of wide-scale player events.

There's a few things I'd like to point out to the Unionverse, however: A) Players can and constantly will continue to make toons that can easily overpower Statesman as a level 53 AV 1v1. The devs have clearly stated States is the most powerful NPC in CoH lore? OK, well, now we're talking about player-characters. Just because States or LR are the stated 'most-powerful' NPCs in CoH/CoV doesn't mean they're always going to be the hands down most powerful CHARACTERS in the game. Especially with the Incarnate system on the horizon. B) In any RP environment, players, and most notably the GMs running an RP plot, should honestly be allowed to introduce a wide-scale event. If the players aren't allowed to do so in an RP environment, then what's the point? I certainly don't see the point of having a bunch of level 50 characters running around saving kittens out of trees. C) The GMs of any RP event should be able to place limits upon players participating in their events. This is only to make it fair for ALL involved in an RP event. D) In a shared-world RP environment such as the Unionverse one, perhaps the more emotive or outrageous of any wide-scale events should be handled ... by more experienced GMs, or put up for a majority vote for all players involved in the shared-world RP to decide.

For those that want to introduce their own wide-scale RP events? Make it a closed RP type of thing or use the AE system if you can. Plus, these people can always collaborate
with others to present a well thought out plotline. Even if the plotline presents players with an atrocious, wide-scale event such as CB's. In which case the author/authors of such a plot should put it up to a vote of all involved in the shared-world experience.

((To Ravenswing: Yeah I know I kept blabbering in that previous post. /e shrug. Gimme a break, I literally don't get out much. Plus I felt like I kept going around in a circle, which I was.))

You mean if CB had killed 2000 vampire children we wouldn't have been here arguing? Or uhm I mean discussing this. <_< >_>

RE: Being able to take on lvl 54 AV Statesman.

If we're going off game mechnics, I belive the most pwoer force in the universe is 3/4 thugs, a pyromaniac with molotov's, two tranchcoat wearing uzi weilders and a beefy biker.

G'won, try beating a thugs MM with anything other then a team of VEATs or an IO'd to the gills Scrapper/Brute, I'll wait.

See, there happens to be a line between game mechnics and RP, and while the former can at times be a usful guidline to the latter, not using common sense or using what you can do as the former as an excuse for claiming you're silly powerful just doesn't sit right with me.

Not to mention RP fighting style can differ greatly from what;'s used in game! Such as my super strength chracter who mostly attacks by throwing hings (Usually enemy robotic minions) at enemies, nothing like this in game, but it's reasonable.

Another would be the character who's only power is to turn invisible/intangible, of course I had to get them to level 20 odd using MA/WP to get the whole power pool, but in any RP situation they'd loose so hard to just about anyone, dispite the fact they could comfortably beat lower level enemies in game.

I hope my point is getting across here.